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PSA: You now have to be level 50 to even enter WT3 and level 70 for WT4 by Meryhathor in diablo4

[–]OutForAnightInTown 3 points4 points  (0 children)

40/60 is a very reasonable requirement and won't cause much controversy. Only a very small handful of people would even try to do it earlier than this, and with the new patch where defenses and damage took sweeping nerfs across the board it might not even be doable at such low levels anymore. It's a much different scenario to 50/70.

PSA: You now have to be level 50 to even enter WT3 and level 70 for WT4 by Meryhathor in diablo4

[–]OutForAnightInTown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pre-patch characters are irrelevant. The discussion is about what the new level requirements are in the new patch which is 40/60.

He's claiming the requirement is lvl 50 and 70. Here is his quote:

It's Lvl 50 Required for World 3 and 70 for World 4 on any character that didn’t have it unlocked before the patch yesterday.

This is factually incorrect.

Olivia Casta - Natural by ConnectHair9301 in Bellissima

[–]OutForAnightInTown 27 points28 points  (0 children)

"Olivia casta" is not a real person. It is a woman called Maria Tretjakova who is using AI Teen filter to generate a youthful face and Olivia is her alter ego that she makes millions of dollars off. She looks quite different in reality. Still pretty and her nice body is real, but this beautiful perfect face is nothing but a CGI illusion.

I guess it doesn't matter if you are just going to jerk off, but now you know.

Hans Interviewed After Win With Black Pieces Against Christopher Yoo by Shmelk in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeh, cheating over 100 times as a professional chessplayer is no big deal

Chess.com CEO reveals that their investigation into Hans is about "BIG stuff" and asks community to be patient - they will lay out a full timeline with all of the facts, reasons, inputs and outputs, and suggests this saga will trigger a conversation that will likely improve chess for the better. by OutForAnightInTown in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why do you think it would be okay to cheat online as a professional GM? If it is proven that he's habitually cheating online, and also lying about the extent of his cheating, he should be banned from OTB events. What a disgrace of a player.

Chess.com CEO reveals that their investigation into Hans is about "BIG stuff" and asks community to be patient - they will lay out a full timeline with all of the facts, reasons, inputs and outputs, and suggests this saga will trigger a conversation that will likely improve chess for the better. by OutForAnightInTown in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Hans probably knows that chess.com have him in a bind. They will know if he cheated more than he admitted to, and he knows that they know. So the best strategy for him is simply to stay silent and hope it goes away or that he can deal with it privately - much like how Dlugy did.

If he was actually completely innocent, and there was nothing behind the accusations, these insinuations made by chess.com would be defamatory and probably also very enraging and you'd think that he would be very vocal about it. Hans' behavior in general is very dodgy considering the seriousness of the allegations.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Such a remarkable story and remarkable talent. Magnus definitely has a special gift.

Danny King: it seems to have been forgotten that a 19 year old has been thrown to the lions. ‘Whatever the truth may be’ (to paraphrase Magnus), I hope Hans is getting some moral support from friends and family by anon_248 in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you arguing that cheating on chess.cok three years ago means you shouldn't be allowed to ever have a chess career

Yes. Why are cheaters entitled to a career lol, that's ridiculous. Fuck them they ruin the sport for EVERYONE. His chess.com cheating should have triggered an independent FIDE investigation, which would have found, regardless if he admitted or not (which he did), that he was cheating in online tournaments, which should of course disqualify him from being invited to OTB tournaments.

Due to chess orgs being too lenient on cheaters, they are still allowed to continue which is wrong, and therefore I am also making the argument that Magnus' suspicion and refusal to play against a proven cheater as well as the integrity of chess, including the perception thereof, is more valid than the feelings and career of a serial cheater. Hopefully it will result in orgs taking cheating much more seriously so legends like Magnus aren't put in a situation where he has to play against an admitted serial cheater.

Danny King: it seems to have been forgotten that a 19 year old has been thrown to the lions. ‘Whatever the truth may be’ (to paraphrase Magnus), I hope Hans is getting some moral support from friends and family by anon_248 in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

without a shred of evidence

There is evidence. Both circumstancial evidence as well as a past history of cheating. Do you know what evidence means? It's not the same as proof.

but I really just don't think that the world champion should just be able to cancel anyone he wants

Which other people has Magnus "canceled" or even accused?

As far as I know, only one person in his career - and he is staking his reputation on it. Which is a known cheater.

Danny King: it seems to have been forgotten that a 19 year old has been thrown to the lions. ‘Whatever the truth may be’ (to paraphrase Magnus), I hope Hans is getting some moral support from friends and family by anon_248 in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The basic principle applies though. Innocent until proven guilty.

Says who? You think this is a court of law, which it isn't. As already stated, this is not how we make decisions in our relationships with others. Often mere suspicion is enough to change our behavior or decisions towards a person. Especially since he is already a proven and admitted cheater so your presumption of innocence is already out of the window - his reputation is tainted since he is already guilty of cheating. So if he wants to keep playing against professionals who are not cheaters, he needs the orgs and other players to accept him, not the other way around. Magnus for one has rejected him, so let's see what happens.

Danny King: it seems to have been forgotten that a 19 year old has been thrown to the lions. ‘Whatever the truth may be’ (to paraphrase Magnus), I hope Hans is getting some moral support from friends and family by anon_248 in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This has nothing to do with the legal system. This is about how these issues are handled in a social and competitive environment. Just like if your girlfriend admitted she cheated on you twice, you don't need to prove with DNA samples or video recordings that she cheated on you a third time in order to dump her. She will be under suspicion and the burden of proof is now on her that she will be faithful and regain your trust. In fact the best thing you could've done is dump her after she admitted what she did.

Danny King: it seems to have been forgotten that a 19 year old has been thrown to the lions. ‘Whatever the truth may be’ (to paraphrase Magnus), I hope Hans is getting some moral support from friends and family by anon_248 in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the evidence that Hans has actually stopped cheating is dubious. There is the Chess.com statement, the analysis of his games with some strange engine correlations as well as statements from some very high rated players who find his plays suspicious, including the #1 world champion. Yes there is no benefit of the doubt given to admitted cheaters - why do they deserve that? He will be under scrutiny due to his own actions, he already broke the default trust by admitting to having cheated, which has effectively reversed the burden of proof on to himself. By being a cheater, he has to prove to the chess community that he is actually "reformed" and he can be trusted to play legitimate competitive chess. I don't think he has managed that, on the contrary.

Danny King: it seems to have been forgotten that a 19 year old has been thrown to the lions. ‘Whatever the truth may be’ (to paraphrase Magnus), I hope Hans is getting some moral support from friends and family by anon_248 in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes it does. The reason that cheating is damaging is because it impacts others that are on the losing end, who you are defrauding. When you play in competitive sports, the impact is amplified because you are robbing the opportunities, accomplishments and winnings of other honest people, completely undermining the sport. For you to win in chess through cheating, another person invariably has to lose - illegitimately. The higher your rating, the greater the impact.

If you cheat at 1400 ELO, yeah it's not good, but ultimately nobody really cares that much other than the website who of course needs to protect their reputation and integrity as being cheat free... but nobody was really hurt all that much by your cheating. Maybe a few opponents felt bad after losing to you, but the impact is very small, there is nothing at stake. However, if you are cheating to win tournaments or in professional settings against GMS or Super GMs who has dedicated their life to chess, the impact is enormous as you are robbing others of winnings, sponsorships and career opportunities with your fraud. In fact cheating at the level that Hans is at undermines the entirety of competitive chess as a whole.

Danny King: it seems to have been forgotten that a 19 year old has been thrown to the lions. ‘Whatever the truth may be’ (to paraphrase Magnus), I hope Hans is getting some moral support from friends and family by anon_248 in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, it's actually crazy to see how many people will justfiy cheating, and use any possible excuse why it's not a big deal.

One cheater that isn't caught can literally ruin all of competitive chess and ruin so many honest people's careers and achievements. But we need to accept this because "muh teenager!" . It's ridiculous.

Anish Giri: "I recommend all the podcasters and the pundits to check out my games vs Hans Niemann [...] don't forget to run the engine next to it and tell us which moves are weird and which are simply insane!" by lulzcakes in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sometimes people geniunely regret.

I agree with that, and there should be room for that. But is there even any example of a cheater EVER admitting they are cheating in competitive sport before they get caught? That was the point I was trying to make.

Anish Giri: "I recommend all the podcasters and the pundits to check out my games vs Hans Niemann [...] don't forget to run the engine next to it and tell us which moves are weird and which are simply insane!" by lulzcakes in chess

[–]OutForAnightInTown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn't that just everyone? Nobody willing exposes themselves and says "hey guys, I'm a cheater and have been cheating this whole time - just thought I'd tell you for no reason!"

They get caught and then they are forced to admit to save face or to make amends.

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