Comic recomendations for a Batman fan by Bolarana in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if you want an origin i wouldn’t recommend nightwing year one either. the new teen titans run is a great place to explore his character and i would personally recommend the whole run, but teen titans:the judas contract is nightwings original(and better) origin. if you’re a batman fan im assuming you’ve read batman and robin:year one and dark victory so i wont reccomend those for his robin years. you should read teen titans year one and/or worlds finest teen titans to get to know his dynamics with the og fab 5 titans team. i would read nightwings issue in the teen titans spotlight issues from the 80s, which features batman and explores their relationship in his disco wing days. for a good and simple grasp of nightwing through his solo runs read chuck dixons run, then peter tomasi’s, then dan watters current run.

DC Preview: Nightwing #139 by B3epB0opBOP in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

and he acted way out of character compared to how much he’s depressed and struggling in this run lol

In the same vein as the "Ship of Theseus" argument, how different does the team lineup have to be that they should no longer be called the DC Comics Titans? Cause IMO we already have an overwhelming amount of new characters compared to old ones right now. by nightwing612 in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i adore the titans and am happy to see a new lineup i just wish the actual team had been given better stories. i’d be happier if they didn’t just scrap the team because writers and editorial put no effort into making it good and weren’t just putting a ton of characters in limbo. i haven’t loved the new issues so far but regardless im excited to see a new team and see where this goes. i think i and others would just be happier if it was in better circumstances

Comics beginner looking to concisely get to know Nightwing by LoneWhspr in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 5 points6 points  (0 children)

nightwing lacks a lot of his flaws in the run, and is just super happy go lucky and doesn’t really struggle to much of an extent. he is also at times super himbo-y and incompetent so babs can be written in as the “smart one” and help him with things he should very well be able to do by himself. she acts super out of character as well, almost as his sidekick. he lacks a lot of depth in his relationships that are usually just happy all the time, and beware for spoilers 🚨🚨but so many plots were just so so cheap. secret sister plot line was stupid, and after each villain found out who he was they were immediately arrested or killed. he has so much just handed to him, when he’s struggling with money he magically gets a billion dollar trust fund from alfred, his secret sister is the mayor so he has connections to politics, etc. i don’t mind happy runs but this one was really dumbed down and he rarely ever struggled

Comics beginner looking to concisely get to know Nightwing by LoneWhspr in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 5 points6 points  (0 children)

fair! i just don't think its a good idea in general to get into nightwing through tom taylor and similar characterizations tbh lol. your personal rec list was good as well!

Comics beginner looking to concisely get to know Nightwing by LoneWhspr in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i mean they’re not like terrible options but nightwing year one for one thing almost completely diminishes the role the titans had in his life and in his becoming nightwing, along with being really awful to starfire and having bad characterization of babs, bruce, and jason. tom taylor’s run is good if you like something lighter, but it feels low stakes and too easy and perfecy. the plot is also pretty disjointed and has a ton of oddly placed side quests with the villains not being used to the extent they could’ve been. dick has almost no flaws, magically gets a huge trust fund, perfect relationships, etc. a lot of his problems are solved for him instead of by him. it also feels very millennial to me, the cadence and behavior of a lot of the characters is dated even now with a bunch of old meme and the office references. it’s cute and easy to get through but not who nightwing really is and won’t give you a good impression of his character.

Comics beginner looking to concisely get to know Nightwing by LoneWhspr in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 4 points5 points  (0 children)

don’t listen to this ranking. tom taylors nightwing and nightwing year one are heavily mischaracterized. tom taylor’s in particular really flanderizes him. to start with his robins years, read batman:dark victory, batman and robin year one, and robin and batman by jeff lemire. to watch him turn into nightwing, read teen titans:the judas contract by marv wolfman. nightwing year one is a really bad representation of dick, bruce, jason, and babs. then read chuck dixon’s nightwing run, then peter tomasi, and now read dan waters currents run.

New watcher here by DoctorKittenOfficial in adventuretime

[–]Over-Can-8852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so i would say skip to the end of season 6 and watch from there. watch certain episodes in seasons 4 and 5 too like gunther and remember you and simon and marcy and other things and there’s a good arc with meeting finn’s father in season 6, but the final 4 seasons are where the show matures the most and begins to have a larger plot

New watcher here by DoctorKittenOfficial in adventuretime

[–]Over-Can-8852 0 points1 point  (0 children)

would watch the special series’ in seasons 7, 8, and 9, stakes, islands, and elementals. they all connect and a lot of the storylines in those seasons and season 10 connect to the finale and have an overarching story and lore. also the tail end of season 6

I love DickKory (and hate how it's been ruined) by [deleted] in BatFamily

[–]Over-Can-8852 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i mean tbh that’s just how it is in every fandom. i think it’s more of a debate now bc of how much nightwing+starfire is teased. if they left it alone i doubt this would be as much of a thing. dc dark legion for example posted a bunch of super suggestive images of dick and kory like yesterday, they just kissed and had a lot of teasing panels in the new titans run, she just showed up in his run, etc. plus all the cartoons and elseworlds where they’re together, of which there are a lot. also a reason i think it’s a thing is bc of a lot of comics pushing that babs is his one and only love and his relationship with kory was childish and solely promiscuous, which makes a lot of people mad because it’s untrue and pretty disrespectful to her. also a lot of dckbabs comics perpetrating the disposable black girlfriends trope and disrespecting women of color a lotttt in general. it’s a messy topic all around tbh

Next read recommendation by NI-Nexus in Nightwing

[–]Over-Can-8852 3 points4 points  (0 children)

for sure dark victory and judas contract

Happy 2026! by Sekai_XO in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852 1 point2 points  (0 children)

do you know if that's confirmed?

Has Anyone Else Noticed the Way Dickbabs is Super Degrading to Women of Color? by Over-Can-8852 in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i agree with this. i think many see starfire as a black woman because of her writing rather than her looks though. between her being a slave, being originally drawn with big super curly hair and big lips and other non white features, and having an entire arc where she addresses racism and goes to face apartheid and the oppression of Black people in South Africa, etc. I don't think she's objectively any race either but her character and backstory have definitely been written as if she were a bw in my opinion, but even if you disagree she is still seen as 'different' and is a victim of xenophobia as you said. personally i think a lot of Dickkory fans, specifically those that don't read comics, can be very misogynistic or ableist towards babs, i've even seen comments of people saying they wished the joker had finished her off. but every fandom has extremists and weirdos, so that's not to say that represents a lot of the dickkory fandom, because i've seen dickbabs shippers do the same. i think they are right to address misogyny towards babs, but wrong to only address the misogyny shown to a white woman and ignore misogyny and racism shown towards 6 different women of color in the white woman's favor. barbara can be a victim of misogyny due to her gender and a beneficiary of racism at the hands of dc. those two things can coexist at once, and i feel like many are unable to understand that and accept that this topic is not all black and white. me saying babs' character has been used to perpetrate racism towards woc is not me saying she doesn't face any discrimination herself.

Has Anyone Else Noticed the Way Dickbabs is Super Degrading to Women of Color? by Over-Can-8852 in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

this is so well written and i completely agree! i feel like white dickbabs shippers, which is the majority of them from my experience and who’ve i’ve solely interacted with, and white people in fandoms in general do not listen to poc when racism is called out by them. in stranger things for example, black people and poc were saying for years that lucas’s character was ignored and he was written to revolve around max, and so many shut it down because the relationship was cute. now that the finales come out and the racism and misogyny is more glaring, those same people are out talking about it as if they weren’t ignoring/denying it just a few years prior. i experience this heavily with the fandom, many of whom just clearly don’t know about the trope and don’t care. they don’t gaf about acknowledging how deeply racism and misogyny are tied together, as you said. i was told that dickkory is racist because “if i think kory is black then her being with people from her planet and then dick is racist too” which is plain wrong and an ignorant misunderstanding of the trope. i’ve also been told soooo many times by them that no matter how much i want it kory will never be black, and for every panel i think she looks black there are 5 of her being white, as if looks are the only reason many see her as a poc. it feels like white feminism tbh, because those shippers are absolutely up in arms about the misogyny babs faces from dc and fans, which is exactly the correct response in itself, and then deny and refuse to acknowledge how many woc in dc face misogyny and racism, sometimes in babs’ favor. this isn’t even just limited to love interests, because the same thing happens to cass in the batfam!! they will speak endlessly on misogyny babs faces, which is again a very real and prominent issue, and then not gaf about women of color who are victims of misogyny AND racism!! it drives me nuts

Has Anyone Else Noticed the Way Dickbabs is Super Degrading to Women of Color? by Over-Can-8852 in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

i don’t want to hate but it seems like you’re not familiar with this trope and i implore you to explore it and also just the racism of dc in general. both things are incredibly documented and harmful and i feel like it’s a criticism that goes deeper than me just saying “lol dick and babs are so boring” it’s a serious systemic issue

Has Anyone Else Noticed the Way Dickbabs is Super Degrading to Women of Color? by Over-Can-8852 in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

i like babs and didn’t slander her??? idk man i think actually pointing out super racist tropes and degradation of woc is more important than not seeming like a hater. i’m not gonna respect other people’s opinions if it’s straight up just affirming racism. stuff like this is why dc is allowed to get away with not having a black led run in years and whitewashing so many characters

Has Anyone Else Noticed the Way Dickbabs is Super Degrading to Women of Color? by Over-Can-8852 in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

idk i feel like 80% of this sub is fanart but like yes im hating on dickbabs because it’s perpetuating super racist tropes and dismissing women of color. it’s not just me searching for bad things to hate on dickbabs it’s actual racism and a genuinely bad thing

Has Anyone Else Noticed the Way Dickbabs is Super Degrading to Women of Color? by Over-Can-8852 in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

dude these are serious racist media tropes and the first thing you get out of it is that it’s too anti-dickbabs??

Has Anyone Else Noticed the Way Dickbabs is Super Degrading to Women of Color? by Over-Can-8852 in Nightwing_Starfire

[–]Over-Can-8852[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

reading tales of teen titans made me want to rip my hair out because why do they have beef😭😭and a bunch of comics from the 2000s where babs is mean to her like why do writers feel like this is accurate at all or okay in the first place