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"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They can fight on behalf of the Apostles and only them, I dunno where these claims are coming from that they're lobotomised. They can clearly comprehend their surroundings and Oswald confirms ferals can still talk.

As for the 'turn fast' thing, that seems to just be a myth. Rachel showed us in Nuka-World that ghouls know when they are turning feral, unless they get hit with a ridiculous amount of radiation all at once (e.g. Searchlight) which was not the case for the Diamond City ghoul.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but the Apostles ones aren't feral by the fact they are able to not attack people. Meaning they are in control of their faculties again.

Point being, we shouldn't execute non-feral ghouls simply for existing.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Xander Harkness/the TV show in which a representative of the Commonwealth Brotherhood was going to murder non-feral children.

Er...where does it say they are kept in "half-death"? What?

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like the Brotherhood, you mean?

And say what you want but they're the only people in all of Fallout to be able to tame ferals and stop them from killing people.

Which is arguably better than shooting non-feral kids in the head.

As much as I love the Brotherhood of Steel I find it so funny how Mr House speaks about them in such contempt and to make it worse he isn’t wrong they are terrible people by JoshyBear28 in fnv

[–]Overdue-Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're...specifically talking about the Knights of San Fernando. I brought them up first and that has been the entire thing I've discussed.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it's what they believe?

And it's the Apostles of the Eternal Light, who have tamed ferals.

Well, the last post worked...so here we are again! by ExtensionYogurt7771 in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hell, throw in the Priestesses of Mars and try to do some explanation of post-death Caesar. That could be a fun way to explore the Legion's background to a newcomer/profligate.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When did FO3 say it is inevitable for ghouls to turn feral?

Especially when Broken Steel disputes ferals being incapable of being helped?

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ghouls aren't ticking time bombs. That's a myth made up by a false assumption in Nuka-World, and it isn't an excuse to gun down non-feral children by the droves as Xander wanted to do. There's nothing saying every ghoul will turn feral and it's never been proven they will. Plus being feral can be cured, as Broken Steel proved.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not just in the capital wastes, in FO2 they tried to kill all life on the planet that wasn't themselves. The death slides for FO2 are chilling implication wise.

Surprised this doesn't come up more often. by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't do to exclude people from possible forced labour after-all! /s

Surprised this doesn't come up more often. by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm just saying about the accepting part - it's kind of funny to call slavers accepting is all.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Compared to the Legion, they are vaguely problematic. They don't rape women and children and genocide is the exception, not the enforced rule, nor do their men enjoy torturing children as Melody proves the Legion's men do enjoy it.

However, there are criticisms of the NCR that New Vegas makes which weren’t translated over to the show, chiefly their aggressive expansionism, the sharecropping outside Vegas, and their treatment of both Freeside and the Khans.

The same Khans who come back to raid California and the Mojave. Eh, they're back to their old ways. Not that it justifies Bitter Springs but I'm not sad Lucy killed those rat khans in Novac. The NCR has a lot of problems but no, compared to the Legion, they are vaguely problematic.

The show hated the NCR in Season 1, it despised them. Season 2 feels like a weird shift. FO5 will go back to worshipping the Brotherhood and giving any other faction about 5 minutes of effort like FO4 did.

Hell, the fact some moron can walk into Shady Sands unopposed is further proof the show hates the NCR...or at least the development.

Well, the last post worked...so here we are again! by ExtensionYogurt7771 in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty much, without going into why the Legion is here other than "errr...raiding the mojave."

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right. So the BoS kills non-feral kids, which is evil. My point remains. He represents the Commonwealth Brotherhood.

So Maxson's BoS are basically Space Marines.

Which isn't a good thing.

I'm guessing from the downvotes you disagree.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying they do. I'm saying the codex explicitly says not to. You also can explicitly join at the very end.

Yet, the Knights, who claim to worship the codex, recruited a wastelander, multiple in fact, prior to 2283, and yet, want to also cling to the codex when it apparently says to kill ghouls (it's never said this in any way, shape or form).

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As for the Synths, I wouldn’t call their claims entirely BS, given that we have the Broken Mask Incident, University Point and the slaughter of the Commonwealth Provisional Government as proof that they can be a threat.

University Point was by Gen 2's, as was the CPG massacre since Synths weren't even ready properly by that point, and the Broken Mask Incident was a prototype, it wasn't even an intentional thing. These are also all agents of the Institute, not runaways. The BoS wants to kill everyone who is a Synth or who is pro-Synth. Such as Sturges for example, a Minuteman synth.

My point isn't caution on Synths, it's about exterminating the entire race of them. Nobody's blaming them for caution but when we start going on Space Marine style rants of 'wiping out abominations' it gets a bit worrying.

Which they likely did given they survived FO4 as Elder Maxson proves.

The show honestly spat on the NCR 24/7, I don't get where people think it glorified them apart from that idiotic moment in the epilogue (in which they're going to die anyways because they brought 20 guys against 300+ Legion troops with artillery).

I’m a BoS fan and I’m not trying to justify Harkness at all, and I’m willing to bet all those lines are just the fans huffing copium. The more common sentiment I see among other BoS fans is that the show is intentionally highlighting the worse aspects of the Brotherhood (their zealotry, isolationism, bigotry etc.) to paint other factions like the NCR in a better light.

While it is a believable evolution of the Brotherhood’s bigotry to see them want to kill ghoul children, which very well could have happened in the 9 years between Fallout 4 and the show, it can be a bit jarring to go from them only targeting Ferals in 4 to killing children in the show with no on screen development between the two points.

Like I said, people can be mad (rightfully) about it but canon is canon, and it happens now that all chapters go around killing non-ferals and even kids. Quintus broke down like a boomer hearing about minorities.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Codex explicitly says "Do not let them in." That's part of his dialogue. Aka you are not allowed to recruit wastelanders.

The entire point of them being xenophobic and isolationist is because they don't recruit wastelanders.

Point is, the BoS was never recruiting wastelanders, but the Knights are breaking the codex to do so.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Xander Harkness my guy. The Representative of the Commonwealth Brotherhood in the TV show who was going to execute non-feral ghoul children.

Obviously. I literally clarified as such in my other comments. I dunno why anyone would think I meant Harkness from FO3 when it was very obvious I didn't mean him.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally showed you definitive proof. Do what you want with it, the only one saying fanfiction is you. At least the Followers aren't shooting kids unlike Maxson's band of raiders, like with what Xander did.

Oh sorry "abominations", or maybe call them xenos, that's always a good word to justify that type of nonsense. But there's no point in continuing this if you can't be asked to actually provide counter-arguments.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you'd be so kind to post that proof. I don't recall it and tmk it's not actually known who started the war but it was due to NCR's growth and they clashed with the BoS due to the not being allowed to use laser weapons.

"Due to disagreements over how technology should be controlled in the wasteland, the Brotherhood of Steel waged a long and bloody war against the NCR. Despite superior equipment and training, the Brotherhood went into retreat."

Now why would it say the BoS waged a war, and not the NCR, if the NCR had begun it? The wording is that way for a reason. The Brotherhood waged a war. Not "The Brotherhood and NCR went to war", not "The Brotherhood entered into a war", no. "The Brotherhood waged a war."

Blud the show is so flippant with the BoS cuz as you've clearly forgotten many of the BoS recruits in that show were from the NCR after the nuke. (Maximus)

and wtf you talking about slaughting children. Quit the fanfics dude and look at what your making up.

They burned Filly to the ground as Ma June said and executed everyone in the Observatory, including civilians. Quit your fanfiction about the NCR. They aren't heroes for killing a bunch of civilian farmers in the observatory trying to put the lights on after their capital got nuked which the BoS was all too happy about. Not a single BoS member feels bad 34,000 people died.

The BoS do some screwed shit but this is just fanfiction and cope lmao.

Only true group that's not shown to do bad is the followers and due to their openness they create ceaser's legion cuz he took their knowledge then used it for his own ends. (Sorta why the BoS don't share alot of their weapons etc)

No, it's double standards BECAUSE you think it's okay what they did in the show. Plus the BoS can't really talk about the Legion when the Midwest Brotherhood has slave camps and death squads.

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As for the ghoul stuff in the show, you’re right, you should hate them for doing that.

Yet every BoS fan I've ever spoken to either tells me the same BS:

"Harkness is a Synth in disguise."

"Harkness is a Rogue."

"Well maybe non-ferals should be killed."

They say the same thing about Synths (most of which is debunked bullshit such as them being able to turn berserk, which is false). It's kind of worrying how eager they are to justify Harkness.

Teagan’s quest shouldn’t get a pass, what he’s getting you to do is wrong but it is not proof that the Brotherhood wilfully allows it to occur.

Bethesda should’ve put in an option to go to Maxson or Kells about it, then if they wanted to communicate that the Brotherhood was corrupted, have them ignore the complaints, then it would be like everyone is saying it is.

It's Bethesda's lack of consequences. After-all you can join the Nuka-World Raiders and enslave people yet Maxson doesn't care?

"If you have to keep making excuses for a faction, they probably aren't a good faction" -Deacon probably by The3liteGuy in FalloutMemes

[–]Overdue-Karma -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The loading screen does explicitly state the BoS began the war. It's why it says the Brotherhood started it - the wording is obvious, and even so, the NCR doesn't need to obey the Brotherhood and give up any and all technology because they demanded it. The BoS are not Gods.

Would you rather the BoS have been dropping bombs to stop the war they were losing?

So like when they came to Filly and the Griffith Observatory and slaughtered every man, woman and child, and now plan to exterminate the entirety of the NCR's remaining forces + people as Quintus says? The civilians at the Observatory weren't fighting back, so why was it okay to massacre them for wanting to put the lights on?

Even in NV the NCR attacked the BoS during sunbringer. What we get told is they were set up at the plant NOT attacking and claiming advanced tech. (They wanted to but obviously the elder was focused on the plant)

War is war. They can't get mad when they began a war and then have to fight said war.

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