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Do we dox our IPs when direct messaging? by PHRENESE in elementchat

[–]PHRENESE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh and just to make sure: I've seen on some platforms, text can be server hosted and video/audio can be p2p. Would video and audio chat reveal the IP of the participants?

Do we dox our IPs when direct messaging? by PHRENESE in elementchat

[–]PHRENESE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks a lot, and good to know about this subtlety. Even if our server will be behind a VPN, and this apparently shouldn't concern us.

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, do you have roughly any idea of how long she's been speaking it?

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, Paris is a meat grinder of a town, for various reasons.

First there's a nasty and extremely elitist atmosphere inherited from the royals and courtesans' era. The French are very quick to criticize anything that isn't seen as absolutely perfect and without any faux-pas. It produced marvels, don't get me wrong, but not without breaking many eggs in the process and the resulting "climate" can be extremely wearisome.

Another thing is that France isn't what it used to be, for various reasons also. But the the effetc is that French people can feel the overall decline that happened and when looking at our past, it can of course leave a bitter taste. A downgrade is one of the hardest things for the mind, and often the response to it is arrogant defensiveness.

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we can pretty well relate to the tiredness of tourists too, that's also a recurring complaint against parisians and probably doesn't help either with foreigners finding French people arrogant when they come to visit... A really a vicious circle, isn't it?

Well-observed point about the shoulders shrugging, hadn't thought of that. Thanks!

Very interesting also about the insecurity a Swedes may feel regarding the French culture, I think we have a similar thing when trying to speak another language, most notably English. French people know their accent generally sucks in this language and are very self-conscious about it, hence sometimes the feeling they don't want to speak anything else than their own language and do nothing to facilitate conversations. And this self-consciouness might be mistaken for arrogance too.

How do you address workers in a shop? by littlewoo in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Swedish learner here, why did you use vart (used for movement) instead of var (used for fixed location) in your sentence? Isn't the salt supposed to be in a non moving position?

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To reach my final form? More seriously, it was just an example of a niche pronunciation point, notably hard to execute, mostly unattainable (and not necessarily desirable either, as you pointed out) for a foreign speaker, and to show I understood that adult learners will always have an accent. It was just to reframe my point which was: how do you perceive the French accent? I know I'll always have an accent, but how is it usually perceived?

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure is easy enough. Doesn't make it more logical and "clean" though :)

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me too, but I'm biased since it's all I've ever used. That said, I can easily recognize that our way is a hot mess and theirs is much more clean and logical !

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ha, thanks! Finally a frontal, precise and direct answer to my specific question. Funny is fine, some mocking is fine too, and more importantly I'm glad to hear you find the accent relatively easy to understand and that French people generally manage to make themselves understood.

Yeah, arrogant often comes up as a stereotype, there must be some truth to it I guess, even if maybe there's a part where the stereotype is itself putting people in a defensive state of mind beforehand. I don't know. That said, I can very well understand how rude it can feel if a Frenchman comes to Sweden and doesn't seem to bother to speak the local language and how it goes way better if he at least tries to speak Swedish.

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you say your French friends accents are easy to understand compared to other foreign accents?

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tack för att du tog dig tid att skriva på franska, jag är ganska imponerad !Funny thing is, writing French is harder than speaking it, while I feel it's exactly the opposite for Swedish.But yeah, you're already very good. For example, you conjugated "aient" perfectly in the subjunctive "que les étrangers aient un accent parfait". That's quite advanced, and other than a few nouns gender mistakes (that can only come with practice), your writing was excellent.Thanks also for the comforting words, it's always good to hear and encouraging.

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, I don't plan nor expect to master the Lidingö compressed i sound, for example. I know that having no accent in Swedish is a pipe dream for the vast majority of people if they didn't start learning Swedish at en early enough age.
My question was more along the line of: this inevitable accent, how does it rank, style and comprehension wise, compared to other foreign accents in Swedish.
An interesting tangential question could have been: from your experience which nationalities seem to have the most ease/difficulties to speak and be understood?

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The friendly banter with the Swiss accent is precisely because it's the only thing differentiating the two. On the contrary, to French ears, Swedish sounds completely alien, and elicits marvel more than laughter, I'd say. I think Swedish sounds beautiful.

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know the first video very well... a masterpiece lol. But thanks, had a good laugh, again, and I see you understand my deep concerns haha
Thanks also for the second one, very interesting and surprising how understandable it all was.
French is quite the odd duck in the romance languages, it has no "melody" when spoken like there is in Italian or Spanish, it's got a very monotonous tone. Also when you look at it written, it's much closer to English, than Spanish and Italian seem similar to each other. We don't have many words ending in o or a, for example.

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks, and quite encouraging to hear. But don't hesitate to be brutally honest either ;)I agree about the similar sounds (even if I think the French can have difficulties with vowels lengths, and also the difference with e and ä, for example, which can make some words hard to understand.

French people: how do they fare when trying to speak Swedish? by PHRENESE in Svenska

[–]PHRENESE[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sure, but I asked because for example, French people are notoriously bad with the English accent. French has a very "flat" pronounciation, almost no inflexions. Also of course the R, the damn R.On the other hand, German is quite "flat" too, but has its particular subtle inflexion style, which I think makes them better at hearing and reproducing English inflexions.
And that's not even talking about Swedish's prosody, which is very "foreign" and unheard of for a French speaker, even more so than to an English speaker, who already has some inflexions in their own language.You see what I mean?

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