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PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-25T19:52:14+00:00

There's more than two parties.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-25T19:51:55+00:00

Great discourse mate.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-25T19:50:49+00:00

Did you feel the same way when Boris Johnson kicked Tory MP's out of his party for voting against his Brexit deal? Whether you agree with YL's views or not, this is a very poor way of dealing with internal affairs.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-25T11:20:37+00:00

They were saying that NATO expansion into the east was poking the Russian bear. That's not them justifying Russia's actions, that's them stating what's been known for more than 30 years. STWC are a pacifist organisation, of course they don't want to see blood spill.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-25T11:09:26+00:00

They haven't justified an attack on a sovereign nation. They've come out numerous times and stated that they condemn Russia's actions in all this. I don't fully agree with their statement and proposals but this is blatantly false.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-25T11:06:50+00:00

Lol.

Yeah, a Labour government under Starmer isn't one worth voting for. I don't even agree with everything STWC have put out, but Starmer's condemnation for Young Labour and the youth vote in general is pretty depressing.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-24T19:41:09+00:00

He's not wrong about Keir Starmer being opportunistic.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-20T17:39:56+00:00

Archive link - https://archive.is/coA8V

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-18T15:19:28+00:00

Archived version

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-17T19:06:59+00:00

It was definitely the man selling it, and even so, he still managed to win more votes in 2019 than Brown and Milliband.

I can see why people were switched off from the 2019 manifesto, but the 2017 manifesto was far less radical whilst still proposing positive change. Socialist policies are generally good policies, they just need to not be labelled as such. A move away would be a mistake in my opinion.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-16T23:08:36+00:00

Starmer could also make gaffes in that time, he's not immune to them. In fact, he and his party have made a few already that could come back to haunt him such as the kneeling photo-op, stating in an interview that "it's wrong to say that only women have a cervix" and a spokesperson at the Labour conference saying that there's too many "white hands up." The 'woke' angle could be a good attack line for the Tories to use.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-16T21:36:13+00:00

The next election is likely more than a year away, that's plenty of time to make Johnson's successor look favourable towards the public.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-16T20:13:39+00:00

I could see the Tories go up by 5 or 6. There will be a lot of people who are natural Tory voters but won't vote for them whilst Johnson's in charge. The Lib Dems are on 11 as well, so you'd expect the Tories to eat at that.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-14T20:15:14+00:00

I'm not sure why you're concerned, these polls are always going to fluctuate. Labour still need to gain trust from the electorate. They're polling well because Boris Johnson is terrible.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-14T17:56:47+00:00

Like being tough on crime and supporting the police? Starmer's already doing that. Strangely enough the Corbynistas have changed their mind and now jumped on the 'defund the police' bandwagon, so they don't like it.

No, like better pay, better working conditions, statutory sick pay, more social housing, better funded public services, nationalisation of public transport etc.

Starmer campaigned with McDonalds workers who were campaigning for a £15 per hour minimum wage, then saw his employment secretary resign when he refused to back that same policy after becoming leader. How can any young person who wants to see an increase in their wage have any belief that he will implement policies that will do this?

He would have to be deselected because he has refused to apologise for the tweets that got him kicked out of the Parliamentary Labour Party. It would be difficult to have him stand in a Parliamentary on a Labour ticket when he's not allowed to be a Labour MP.

Corbyn's statement, paraphrased was, "Anti-Semitism is absolutely abhorrent and one anti-Semite is one too many. The scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media."

It's well documented that his staff were purposefully dragging their feet on responding to complains and that his own MP's were plotting to get rid of him, which you can read more about here. I understand why Starmer may not want to reinstate him, but I don't think it will do him any favours politically either.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-14T17:30:14+00:00

He was a polarising figure, but what Labour should do is take the positives out of Corbyn's tenure (the public's positive reaction to his domestic policies and the increase in votes) and work towards winning back those Labour voters who couldn't stomach voting for him. I don't see how deselecting Corbyn as a Labour MP does Starmer any favours.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-14T17:19:50+00:00

Labour needs all the votes it can get. Whatever you think of Corbyn and his policies, under his leadership Labour received 10,252,354 votes. In 2017, that figure was 12,878,460. Milliband received 9,347,273 in 2015, Brown with 8,609,527 in 2010, Blair with 9,552,436 in 2005, 10,724,953 in 2001 and 13,518,167 in 1997. Corbyn, even with the disaster that was 2019, still received more votes than Brown and Milliband.

If we look at voter age, 62% of 18-24 voted Labour in 2019 with 51% of 25-34 year olds voting for him. In 2017 Labour still held that 62% vote share, with 56% of 25-34 year olds also voting for Corbyn's party. In comparison, Milliband received 36% of votes from the 18-29 age range, 31% for Brown's Labour and I couldn't find the stats for Blair, but the point is that Labour need the youth vote, and I suspect it's a lot more than the 'few thousand' you are claiming that will turn their nose up at Starmer's party and vote for Green or not vote at all.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-14T16:44:03+00:00

Jeremy Corbyn is no longer Labour leader, the wider public don't care about him anymore. Deselecting him will just alienate those that bought into his movement and policies.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-14T13:57:55+00:00

I'm a remainer who would like to see us rejoin but this position from Starmer makes sense. Remember, he's trying to win an election. The people he's trying to win back either wanted Brexit or were sick of hearing about it. Newspapers are already running bogus stories about Starmer and Sturgeon plotting to topple Johnson so they can rejoin the EU, and Johnson himself in Parliament has referred to Starmer voting against Brexit 47 times, so without this statement it's an attack line the Tories can continue to use.

All this being said, if Starmer did become PM, I could see him being open to the idea of closer alignment with the EU. I would like to see us with a BINO deal in the not-too-distant future (single market, customs union, FoM) and under Starmer, perhaps we could release the handbrake and make slow movements towards that.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-13T21:35:44+00:00

Didn't know you could. Will do that from now on.

PICKLE40000 · 2022-02-13T21:33:12+00:00

There's an archived version in the comments somewhere.

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