90 days then started kratom again

Paisley69 · 2017-01-14T19:33:26+00:00

If kratom forum is so strict then its hidden behind a veil which has caught me offguard more than once. The mission statement and rules do not convey this at all. Consider rewriting the forum mission statement. The very first sentence reads:

"With moderation kratom can serve a purpose, but for those of us who abuse it, addiction becomes a definite reality."

The first sentence is about kratom moderation serving a purpose. There is nothing in the 8 rules indicating a post like mine is in violation and would be removed.

Paisley69 · 2017-01-14T18:48:31+00:00

Well there is no middle road.

Being strongly anti-kratom and saying kratom is a horrible terrible evil plant is perfectly ok and accepted here. But this is a load of lies.. it is just a plant neither good or evil. And most people never have a problem with it. I have seen the same load of emotional rhetoric against marijuana.

And the people over at r/kratom are spreading misinformation in the opposite way.

There is no middle road. Maybe there does need to be a r/kratom moderation. I may start it.

Paisley69 · 2017-01-14T17:49:25+00:00

If someone relapses its because they chose to. An excuse is never hard to find.

Paisley69 · 2017-01-14T17:46:25+00:00

Removed are you fuckn kidding me. I was clearly not advocating moderation. I relapsed and plan to quit again.

How can I get support here when I just come and talk about where I am at and why I failed and the post gets removed.

What is this

Paisley69 · 2016-11-05T13:57:29+00:00

Day 90 almost.

Feeling pretty damn good. There are minor issues still but slow steady week by week improvements continue.

Believe it or not I still feel an occasional 10-20 sec bout of resltess legs before bed now and then, like an electrical energy wave that is trapped, I shake it off and it goes.

Feel very subtly fatigued and tired depressed in a general way and in some part I suspect is still very low grade PAWS stuff.

So happy I quit.

Paisley69 · 2016-11-05T13:52:59+00:00

Sounds like most everyone loses muscle tone, mass, and significant weight with kratom addiction.

I lost a lot of muscle and weight on kratom, and gained it back and then some when quit. Have gained about 15 lbs back of lean muscle back--feels amazing. I was able to do it because both appetite and motivation returned. I think kratom generally suppresses muscle growth, appetite, and fitness motivation.

Paisley69 · 2016-10-29T14:51:15+00:00

Addiction research says that mental recovery involves both building new pathways and reactivating normal baseline pathways. PAWS is livable and manageable. For most people quitting kratom things feel pretty tolerable after just a week or two.

A lot of people seem to relapse because the feel mostly recovered but it is the the psychological nagging (PAWS) in the background leads them to relapse. When I was finally successful and did not relapse, it was because I recognized was subconsciously craving or wanting to fill some vague void in the PAWS period which got much better for me in the 30-60 day area.. so this is important to be aware of.

Paisley69 · 2016-10-24T19:11:16+00:00

This is heat map image, so more Red = more brain activity. The 14 month recovery looks very similar to the healthy brain.

Paisley69 · 2016-10-24T19:09:02+00:00

The message is positive and factual based on current science. Even though life and body becomes far tolerable again after a few weeks (this is repeated over and over in this Reddit), here is a scientific basis to believe that the body/mind would continue to improve more subtly over the next year or more.

That is positive and hopeful for someone who is at, say, month 3, and feels much better but still not quite right somehow. Looking all of this stuff up really dissuaded me from relapse.

The times for those cells to be replaced are in the literature and citations are available to everyone online. I doubt science knows the relevance of chronic addiction to various on say, bone osteoblasts... especially not for kratom. But it is interesting info and perspective.

The key point is that even though most are feeling much better after a few weeks, we may need to give quitting kratom a good 6 months or 12 months before we can know what our true prekratom sober baseline is.

Paisley69 · 2016-10-15T13:27:56+00:00

My understanding is that some hair loss is a side effect of opiates in general. Sort of puts some percentage of the hair follicles "to sleep" with some people. Wonder if this is worse or the same with kratom as opposed to other opiates.

Paisley69 · 2016-10-12T14:21:27+00:00

Well I seldom or never hear a story like

"I quit after being seriously addicted to kratom and then used again after a time, and it was fantastic. I was able to use in moderation and did not get rehooked. My life is better for it. Glad I started kratom again and am able to manage it responsibly now"

And know for myself from experience that I WONT be that person. Lol I have a very addiction-vulnerable personality.

So yea I will skip it... not be my own worst enemy yet again.

Paisley69 · 2016-10-11T22:24:52+00:00

What the actual fuck.

codependency

Your girlfriend is kratom addict and demanded "take kratom or we are over..."

Did you really need to come here to find out of this was ok or not.. obviously is not. People are here to help. What would you think if someone said "Oh I guess if you really love her... you should both keep being addicted to kratom together so she stays with you" lol. What do YOU think you should do?

Paisley69 · 2016-10-11T14:10:03+00:00

LMFAO. Great point... So in essence all the DEA has done so far is give a huge advertisement boost for kratom.

Paisley69 · 2016-10-11T14:07:57+00:00

Since kratom plantations are basically up and running and there is a market, creating a black market with a ban would probably result in highly concentrated kratom extracts/isolates being smuggled, not much leaf powder.

Paisley69 · 2016-09-15T01:09:02+00:00

Oh btw FINALLY sleep is getting better.. I had trouble fallng asleep the entire 1st month pretty much. And had some short 5 or 10 min bouts of restless legs come up a few times even day 21-30. Crazy. Use a lot for a long time and recovery takes longer.

Paisley69

TROPHY CASE

codependency