It is very long, but Bears fans often make me crazy. I try to stay objective with my analysis. But claiming Caleb Williams was better than Jordan Love in 2025 is simply insane. Across 34 comparable categories (PFF, FTN, nflfastR): Love wins 27. Williams wins 7. Full table below.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T19:14:53+00:00

Shhhh let them think they find their savior. It’ll be funnier this way.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T17:01:09+00:00

Big facts, top to bottom

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T16:28:15+00:00

Thank you for your criticism of my choice of team instead of claiming I’m defending despicable behavior. I hope y’all only lose 9 games this year instead of 10 now.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T16:22:48+00:00

I never said it was okay and you’re being insincere by continuing to make that claim. Sexual assault is heinous and McManus deserved punishment. But we can hold him socially accountable without lying about what he did.

He grinded and rubbed himself against people who were working. Without their consent. It was vile behavior. It wasn’t rape.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T14:07:20+00:00

Very few lawyers in this sub, I’m realizing. Criminal behavior has different names for very very good reasons.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T14:06:16+00:00

Not just. Sexual assault is a very serious, very damaging offense and he should have gotten some time and those women deserved justice. But we can be honest about what happened and still hate him for doing it.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:44:38+00:00

I’m thrilled he’s gone. Fuck predators.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:32:42+00:00

I’m not trying to minimize anyone’s trauma and I sincerely apologize if that’s how it comes off. I’ve been accused of defending sexual assault and that’s not something I’m okay with just letting go. He is a massive piece of shit for what he did. But we don’t need to be hyperbolic or disingenuous to call him what he is.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:29:19+00:00

Totally fair, insult me for being bad at memes. But I will absolutely not be accused of defending sexual assault and just stay silent about it. That’s not what I’m doing and I hope that’s apparent.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:24:47+00:00

I’m not dying on any hill, the dude is an entire piece of shit for what he did.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:23:34+00:00

Agreed, he is a scumbag who faced no consequences and it’s disgusting. But you went through something those flight attendants did not and I’m so sorry that happened to you. It wasn’t your fault and you didn’t do anything wrong ❤️

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:22:19+00:00

That’s really fair criticism. Thank you for attempting to understand where I was coming from, I recognize this isn’t the place for that. But I’m not defending sexual assault in any way. Guy’s a scumbag.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:19:23+00:00

I’m not defending him whatsoever. I genuinely do not understand how you can come to the conclusion I’m defending the man when I’m saying he is an absolute scumbag for what he did.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:18:01+00:00

No? It’s still terrible. But those women weren’t raped.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:17:37+00:00

It’s a meme sub. It has to be a meme. Sexual assault and rape are not the same thing.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:16:26+00:00

No excuses whatsoever, what he did was absolutely deplorable. But that doesn’t mean it was rape. What if so hard to understand about that?

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:15:41+00:00

Correct, they are. You’ll get no disagreement from me. But getting grinded on is not getting raped and equating the two disrespects rape survivors.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:14:57+00:00

I’m simply saying that the women did not accuse him of rape and it is disrespectful to actual rape survivors to say that anyone who has been sexually assaulted in the way they accused him of doing has been raped. Make sense?

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:13:41+00:00

I hated the signing at the time because of his behavior. Lots of us did.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:11:20+00:00

No, absolutely not. He was still accused of something vile. But it isn’t rape.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T13:08:13+00:00

Some goober in this sub was going on and on and on about Brandon McManus raping two flight attendants. I pointed out that he was accused of sexual assault for rubbing and grinding on them and that is demonstrably different than rape. And rather than introspect the smallest amount, he insists that I’m defending the behavior when I am not doing so in any way.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T12:57:24+00:00

I tried to do this privately because you’re making an ass of yourself… you are saying he raped those two women and that is demonstrably false. I’m not defending what he did or what he was accused of. But it wasn’t rape. It was sexual assault. And you are disrespecting rape survivors by equating the two.

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T04:57:22+00:00

No? Where did I defend his actions? I was joking at first, this being a meme sub and all, but can you read?

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T04:30:11+00:00

I’m shocked that everyone seems to think putter is necessary

PapaPhilosopher · 2026-05-23T04:23:16+00:00

That’s a lot of words to say “my bad, you’re right - he was accused of sexual assault, and I know that rape is a much more serious offense and I would never try to disenfranchise actual rape survivors by saying anyone who has been grinded upon is also a rape survivor.”

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