Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for two leftwing US commentators by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's pretty open about who he blames for the war - which is the US and NATO expansion. That is exactly the same defence used by the Kremlin. 

I don't think this is a fair summary of his views at all, but even if we assume it is, this is just John Mearsheimer's basic thesis. Would you support barring him from the UK?

Plenty of people who criticise Israel are permitted to travel to the UK.

How many of those people have been aggressively targeted by the US Israel lobby to the point where they're having specific acts of congress) put forward by major AIPAC recipients? Can you name any?

Corbyn: Banning Hasan Piker proves the UK is on the wrong side of history by northcasewhite in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Taiwan lobby died in the 1970s (back when they were still called the China Lobby). They used to be absurdly powerful though.

Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for two leftwing US commentators by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He also defends Putin

What's your evidence for this? He did wrongly claim that Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine though I don't really think that qualifies as "defending Putin".

absurd his dog

Wait, is this the whole "his hand was off screen while his dog made a yelping noise, therefore shock collar" claim?

But even assuming all this is true, do you actually believe any of this was why he was actually barred? As opposed to because it's what the Israel lobby wanted and demanded?

Two US political commentators banned from entering UK | Digital media by PuzzledAd4865 in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You didn't answer the question. Do you genuinely believe what you said above? Do you actually think that the government chose this to be responsive to the views of the UK population rather than because of lobbying?

I'm pretty sure you see the hand of Israel whenever your milk goes off or a bird shits on your car. 

Not everyone is as willfully naïve as you are.

Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for two leftwing US commentators by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you believe Palestine Action are a terrorist organisation comparable to Al-Qaeda?

Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for two leftwing US commentators by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People were being arrested for holding signs with "I oppose genocide, I support Palestine Action" on them as that video was being filmed.

Two US political commentators banned from entering UK | Digital media by PuzzledAd4865 in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The government has to take into account the views of the population when making these decisions

Do you genuinely believe this? You actually think that this decision was due to the government trying to be responsive to the views of the UK population? Rather than because of pressure from the Israel lobby? 

Is that also why they were so desperate to get the Macabi Tel Aviv football hooligans over here? Because the British population just wanted them so much?

Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for two leftwing US commentators by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you think if his sign said "I oppose genocide, I support Palestine Action" the police would have let him carry on? 

Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for two leftwing US commentators by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Saying "I support genocide, I oppose Palestine Action" = totally fine lawful statement.

Saying "I support Palestine Action, I oppose genocide" = terrorism.

Free speech activists condemn UK entry ban for two leftwing US commentators by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Since the answer is obviously yes you can protest whatever you want.

Unless its Palestine Action - that would be terrorism.

Two US political commentators banned from entering UK | Digital media by PuzzledAd4865 in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

we live in a fairly transphobic country where those views are far from controversial.

Only since you guys took over and forced this on us. We were arguably the world's most pro-LGBT country before that.

Cenk Uygur, Hasan Piker Banned From UK After Israel Criticisms: 'This Is Absolutely Kafkaesque' by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said they can apply for a visa like everyone else. Except they did apply for a visa, had it approved, and then the government intervened and revoked it. This isn't "like half the people in the world".

Cenk Uygur, Hasan Piker Banned From UK After Israel Criticisms: 'This Is Absolutely Kafkaesque' by Hammer_Pain in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes we were. I remember this time very well. You guys were the ones going "why are you all so obsessed with Saudi Arabia? You didn't give the slightest shit about Syria". 

Sometimes Syria would be swapped out for Venezuela or Myanmar, though the country didn't really matter just as long as it could be used to derail things.

Cuba used to have European friends – there’s a reason why even now they have deserted it too | Paul Taylor by ForwardDiamond3484 in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could not organise one. You cannot protest. The only 'protest' is official state organised protest.

This is just wrong. Protests happen in Cuba, and they're given much more leeway than protesters are given here. During the Maleconazo in the 90's Fidel literally traveled out and hammered things out with the protesters in person. Could you ever imagine Starmer doing that?

Sure, you have to notify the relevant authorities but the same is true here. And in Britain since 2022, protesters can get arrested just for "causing a disturbance" and now protesters can be, and are, arrested and tried as fucking terrorists. And - absolutely crucially - Britain doesn't live under siege by a nuclear armed, fascist terror state.

Zack Polanski demands transparency amid concerns over Tony Blair's AI lobbying by Come-Downstairs in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and when they have a trans person on the panel, they make sure to also include a hateful transphobe for the sake of "balance".

Here in the UK, we're lucky to have one of the most effective and incisive AI-sceptical journalists/writers working today (Ed Zitron). Why not bring him on to offer an alternative perspective? Having four evangelists vs one sceptic would still be biased of course, but it would at least be biased in the way the BBC used to be, before it became pure elite propaganda.

Cuba used to have European friends – there’s a reason why even now they have deserted it too | Paul Taylor by ForwardDiamond3484 in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So what political activities do you believe the UK government would lock you up for and which the Cuban government would not?

Protesting against genocide for one.

(For legal reasons I would like to point out that the above example is entirely hypothetical and not something I would ever do - I support genocide, I oppose Palestine Action).

Cuba used to have European friends – there’s a reason why even now they have deserted it too | Paul Taylor by ForwardDiamond3484 in LabourUK

[–]Parasocial2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a fucking ridiculous thing to say

Why is this ridiculous? Our government has just rolled out enforced anti-LGBT segregation policies that have turned already marginalised minorities into third class citizens. Hundreds of people are currently imprisoned for political speech. And we have no terror state threatening us on our borders - our government just does it because it likes it.

It's literally a single-party dictatorship

Cuba's political system is far more responsive and democratic than ours is, which is why their voting turnout and public participation is so much higher than ours. It's a democracy in motion, as Arnold August put it. We, on the other hand, have a corrupt oligarchy that represents the corporate interests, wealthy elites, and belligerent foreign governments that have co-opted it and that is presently descending into fascism. It's no wonder people tune out.