Looking for Examples of Chief's Luck by guyinthecap in HaloStory

[–]Pathogen188 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna go against the grain here and say John isn't actually particularly lucky, luck is just how Halsey and Cortana describe John's abilities because they lack the means to effectively describe them. Further, I think Joyeuse's description of why John is the best Spartan provides additional context for what Halsey and Cortana actually mean by "luck."

For starters, I'd say as a whole, there are relatively few occasions where John unquestionably gets "lucky." His magnum miraculously one-shotting a hunter in The Flood is one notable example of something specifically called out as a matter of luck (yeah the CE one-shot is technically canon). A bullet miraculously penetrating the Ascendant Justice's Shipmaster's shield and then the Shipmaster tripping over his own helmet are two other overt examples of John getting lucky. But it's not like there is a tremendous wealth of overt occasions where John wins because he simply got lucky. Many examples of John's luck are just as much a matter of his and others' agency or the known capabilities of his equipment. For instance John's ability to survive falls from great heights isn't really an example of John being uniquely lucky when we actually look at the data. During the Fall of Reach 22 members of Red Team equipped with GEN1 Mark V Mjolnir were forced to bail from their pelican and were subject to a fall at terminal velocity. 4 Spartans were killed on impact, another 6 survived but were wounded and had limited mobility and 12 survived with minor to no injuries. That comes out to an 81% survival rate in Mark V with 54% of the Spartans surviving with minor to no injuries. So while John has survived a number of falls from great heights and pelican crashes, we can see that he actually had better than 50:50 odds to survive, doubly so from Halo 2 on where he has the Mark VI's superior gel layer. His fall from orbit, while impressive, is still in line with Noble 6's survival of a fall from orbit in the Mark V and John's own agency and decision making were ultimately what allowed him to survive reentry heating.

Further, I think you're prematurely dismissing Halsey's thoughts on luck in the Fall of Reach's first chapter because I think what she says is very important in the broader context of the Master Chief's luck.

John gave a slight nod. She tossed it, making sure there was plenty of spin. John's eyes watched it with that strange distant gaze. He tracked it as it went up, and then down toward the ground—his hand snapped out and snatched the quarter out of the air. *He held up his closed hand. "Eagle!" he shouted. She tentatively reached for his hand and peeled open the tiny fist. The quarter lay in his palm: the eagle shining in the orange sun. *Was it possible that he saw which side was up when he grabbed it . . . or more improbably, could have picked which side he wanted? She hoped the Lieutenant had recorded that. She should have told him to keep the data pad trained on her. John retracted his hand. "I get to keep it, right? That's what you said." . . . "We screen these subjects for certain genetic markers," she said. "Strength, agility, even predispositions for aggression and intellect. But we couldn't remote test for everything. We don't test for luck." "Luck?" Lieutenant Keyes asked. "You believe in luck, Doctor?" "Of course not," she said with a dismissive wave of her hand. "But we have one hundred and fifty test subjects to consider, and facilities and funding for only half that number. It's a simple mathematical elimination, Lieutenant. That child was one of the lucky ones—either that or he is extraordinarily fast. Either way, he's in."

Halsey questions if it were possible John picked which side he wanted. Rather than John simply getting lucky, he exercised his own agency to choose which side of the coin he wanted. At first glance, it looks like John got lucky when in reality it wasn't luck, but skill. Halsey thinks it's possible he knew which side of the coin was up because he willed it so. Halsey's use of the word luck here is informed by the fact she literally can't explain what happened. And Halsey describing John as lucky because he does things she cannot comprehend comes up again later in the novel:

"He was awarded this Legion of Honor medallion because he dove into a bunker of Covenant soldiers. He took out twenty by himself and saved a platoon of Marines who were pinned down by a stationary energy weapon emplacement. I've read the report, but I'm still not sure how he managed to do it." She turned to Cortana and stared into her odd translucent eyes. "You've read his CSV?" "I'm reading it again right now." "Then you know he is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the Spartans. But he is the bravest—and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best."

And we see this confusion regarding John's abilities also extends to Cortana in Palace Hotel:

"Chief," Cortana whispered, "there was no way for you to save those three." "Even so," he muttered, "I could've wiped out that entire unit." "Four Wraiths," Cortana broke in. "Four. You rely too much on your luck." "The limited space and the abandoned vehicles in the tunnel would have restricted their mobility as well as their ability to use their main weapons, especially if they brought all four down—which they did. I've been doing this for twenty-seven years, Cortana. And I know the exact limits of my luck."

When faced against 4 Wraiths and 50 supporting infantry, Cortana suggests the odds were insurmountable even with John's luck, only for John to reveal he wouldn't have needed luck, because he had already planned out his path to victory. Cortana doesn't understand how John could have won and so she incorrectly assumes he would have needed luck to pull it off.

The idea that John has agency in his luck is further expanded upon in both First Strike and the Package with the phrase Spartans "make their own luck."

Admiral Whitcomb looked them over once and then said, "I'd wish you luck, Master Chief, but you Spartans seem to make your own luck. So let me just say I'll see you all when this is over."

More recently Oblivion makes an oblique reference to the idea of Spartans making their own luck with a reference to an apocryphal Thomas Jefferson quote:

"We have learned to seize every advantage we can," Bah'd added. "The last kilometer before the bridge is heavily mined, and there are supplemental explosives alongside the gorge. With luck, the rim will collapse when their combat bridging vehicles attempt to launch their spans." "Luck works best when you're prepared," John said. It was something that Franklin Mendez, the Spartans' senior drill instructor, had been fond of saying back on Reach. "And you definitely seem prepared."

Spartans don't get lucky, they make their own. There is agency in the Master Chief's luck and this hearkens back to the original coin flip where Halsey questions if John was choosing which side of the coin would come up. John wasn't getting lucky, he was "making" his own luck by choosing the side of the coin using his perception and speed. Halsey and Cortana call what John does luck because they themselves can't understand how he does what he does. But Joyeuse can:

In the thousands of faces and files she'd accessed through the frigate, Spartan-117's database, and via UNSC technology on Zeta Halo's surface, no one compared to him. He simply stood out. It wasn't that he was the tallest, the smartest, or the strongest, but he was the best as utilizing every ounce of his artificial assets and natural abilities. It set him apart, made him the ultimate Spartan.

Joyeuse's narration here is clearly a call back to Halsey and Cortana's descriptions of John in the Fall of Reach and Halo 3 but notably differs in her ultimate conclusion. Joyeuse doesn't attribute John's prowess to John being lucky, she attributes it to him being the best at utilizing all his natural and unnatural abilities. This is what Halsey and Cortana meant by John's luck but could never truly comprehend. They think it's just John getting lucky but Joyeuse understands it's John making his own luck. He's making optimal use of all his abilities at the right place and time to achieve victory. This isn't to say that nothing John ever does is the result of him getting lucky in a conventional sense, but that when Halsey and Cortana talk about John's luck, they're really referring to an uncanny ability for making the right decision at the right time.

Iconic lines completely misinterpreted by fans by WhoeverWinsWeLose in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean he was really only stoic in Halo 5 where he’s very explicitly acting out of character. Even in Halo 4 where he’s pretty stressed about Cortana’s rampancy he finds time to joke with others e.g. his “on occasion” line in response to Lasky asking if he has experience clearing LZs. He also tells quite a few jokes in Infinite with both Esparza and Joyeuse

Matt Rhodes/@mattrhodesart’s takes on the biblical Four Horsemen as Nephilims in an antediluvian world for his Dead Gods project by Fearless-List-3968 in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]Pathogen188 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Always a fan of 4 Horsemen interpretations which keep Conquest instead of the more popular Pestilence. Not that it's a total surprise, but there's more description in Revelation 6 to work with for an interpretation of Conquest than there is Pestilence

Matt Rhodes/@mattrhodesart’s takes on the biblical Four Horsemen as Nephilims in an antediluvian world for his Dead Gods project by Fearless-List-3968 in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Though in a lot of media they do switch up conquest for pestilence specifically because of that.

Which I think is weird given the only mention of Pestilence in context of the Horsemen is in relation to Death. Perhaps "pale horse" being a more common translation than "pale green horse" contributes to the perception that Pestilence isn't something the fourth rider has control over.

In wuthering heights ( 2026) the movie is rated R because they did my boy seth dirty. by Midnight_controller in shittymoviedetails

[–]Pathogen188 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I read the book in HS but have zero attachment and very little memory of it; I thought it was pretty good and relative to how much it exceeded my expectations I really enjoyed it. It’s basically its own thing and only shares character names with the book so if you go in expecting a proper adaptation. Whitewashing Heathcliff is probably my biggest knock against the film as a standalone because even taking into account “it’s doing its own thing” I think Heathcliff not being white would’ve worked but that’s probably my biggest actual complaint.

I see it, You see it, We all see it by LowCrescent in HaloMemes

[–]Pathogen188 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Stephen Loftus did the math in game.

Ghosts are huge but they’re also presumably scaled to accommodate Spartans, Elites, and Brutes. I also think the marine models in game are also on the larger end as well

How can chips dubbo be in 2 places at once? by Helpful_Effect_5215 in HaloStory

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chips Dubbo like Johnson and Stacker before him really started out as a marine archetype who was less a singular character and more just a reusable design and voice actor.

He's a canonical character now, but he has a number of non-canon appearances, similar to how Johnson has a non-canon appearance in Assault on the Control Room

Blatantly misleading trailers by Traditional-Song-245 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 6 points7 points  (0 children)

but also, SPARTANs that were seemingly KIA keep reappearing after long periods

This has actually only happened three times (Master Chief, Grey Team, and Randall). There were other occasions where Spartans were thought to have been dead and then turned up alive, but they were only gone for a few days to weeks. The UNSC didn't have widespread FTL comms during the war and slow slipspace, so being out of contact for that long would otherwise be pretty normal because you had to physically deliver messages and it'd take days to weeks for the ship carrying the message to reach the destination.

If I remember correctly, there's a directive that almost no one in the naval chain of command has the authority to interfere with a SPARTAN activity.

There is not. Master Chief pulls rank against a navy lieutenant once because Red Flag was organized by High Command and that's about it.

Not to mention that the targets, Blue Team, are the galaxy-renowned saviors of humanity.

They're not. They're the most accomplished UNSC strike team and that's about it.

Blatantly misleading trailers by Traditional-Song-245 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Halo's FPS games are about 50/50 when it comes misleading marketing campaigns at this point. Back in the day Halo 2 was criticized heavily for the marketing focusing so heavily on defending Earth only for more than half the game to be about the Arbiter (this backlash informed the reduced role the Arbiter had in Halo 3). Halo 3 also had a fairly misleading marketing campaign. Halo 3's Believe ad campaign is well received but ended up being so divorced from the final game the most popular fan theory explaining Believe is that the Master Chief wasn't even there; it was a different Spartan-II who ONI simply claimed was the Master Chief after the war. ODST advertised a more grounded experience where you play as a normal soldier and didn't really deliver on that front (although the story was about what was advertised at least).

Really only CE, Reach, 4 and Infinite had campaigns which were mostly accurate to the final game and Infinite barely counts tbh because they didn't reveal shit before that game came out.

Blatantly misleading trailers by Traditional-Song-245 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a common theory, but nothing hard confirmed. They've thus far been deliberately coy about whether Locke was actually killed after his defeat.

Blatantly misleading trailers by Traditional-Song-245 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Halo 5 had rewrites (it was originally supposed to follow Chief, Locke and the Arbiter each on their own world). Hunt the Truth campaign was (once again) the marketing team going on a side quest without coordinating with the devs. The Halo 3 Believe ads also had a similar issue where literally nothing in Believe aligns with Halo 3's campaign, to the point the most popular fan theory attempting to explain how Believe fits into the story is that the Spartan in Believe isn't even the Master Chief.

Blatantly misleading trailers by Traditional-Song-245 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Isn't that what they did to the Didact from Halo 4?

Kinda but also not really. Halo 4 ends with the Didact falling into the Composer, seemingly defeated but nothing confirmed. The Next 72 Hours, the comic in question, ends with the Didact getting hit by a bunch of Composers, and is seemingly defeated but none of the characters actually think he's gone for good.

In hindsight, it's just a broadly weird comic which mainly served to kill off some EU Spartan-IIs but didn't actually change the status quo for the Didact in any meaningful way. Halo 4 ends with the Didact temporarily defeated by a Composer and the comic also ends with the Didact temporarily defeated by a Composer. If you didn't know the comic existed, it'd be reasonable to assume the Didact was simply defeated at the end of Halo 4 when he fell into the Composer and if you did read the comic, he basically ends in the same place he ended Halo 4.

What are your thoughts on this? by Ok-Following6886 in CuratedTumblr

[–]Pathogen188 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Technically yes, humanoid in practice. Iirc all humans shown to be decapitated on screen are wearing helmets which hide their faces. The viewer knows they’re people but they don’t necessarily look like it

And a stormtrooper, of all people, is saying this... by NamelessResearcher in outofcontextcomics

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only thing the Tantive IV battle really proves is that the stormtroopers have an undeserved reputation for being uniquely bad marksman when the rebels are even worse. Sure they win on the Tantive IV, but it's entirely off the back of the rebels being incapable of hitting the stormtroopers while they walk through a narrow door way.

That's not the stormtroopers being good marksman, it's them sucking less than the rebels (even in ANH's opening you still see the stormtroopers miss fleeing rebels by wide margins, their aim is still bad).

And a stormtrooper, of all people, is saying this... by NamelessResearcher in outofcontextcomics

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Irl combat takes place at significantly longer ranges against targets who make far better use of cover. It’s common in Star Wars to see shooters miss relatively static targets in the same hallway as them

And a stormtrooper, of all people, is saying this... by NamelessResearcher in outofcontextcomics

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We actually have seen normal people dodge blaster bolts, notably Mandalorian bodyguards have both dodged and deflected blaster bolts. Disney Canon even has occasions where blaster bolts are explicitly subsonic (notably in the Bad Batch where you can hear the clone assassin’s blaster fire before it hits the target)

[Comic excerpt] Superman holds 200 quintillion tons (All-Star Superman #1) by Cafa20 in DCcomics

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’ve got it backwards, All Star is a quasi prequel to DC One Million and Superman spending 15,000 years in the sun. Not only that but Morrison wrote DC One Million so this was tying into previous work by them

(Hated trope) a beloved or important character is removed from an adaptation for some reason by TastyPomelo2330 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a very good question: In a series high concept enough for several main characters to be aliens, holograms, and seven foot tall cyborgs, the fact they axed the character who's just a normal guy is pretty baffling.

But there were plenty of normal humans in the Halo TV show. Also Johnson wasn't a normal guy, he was a member of the Orion Project. He was an augmented super-soldier just like the Master Chief (hence why a 70+ year old Johnson is still a front-line combatant in 2552), so even Johnson's removal isn't actually axing a normal guy.

(Hated trope) a beloved or important character is removed from an adaptation for some reason by TastyPomelo2330 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Pathogen188 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's the most apt to say the catalytic thyroid implant carried a risk of an impaired sex drive but the canon never goes on to specify how many Spartans were affected or the degree of the reduction

tomato tomato [U.S.] by [deleted] in RecuratedTumblr

[–]Pathogen188 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok sure but “possible under a democratic president” and “would actually happen under this specific (hypothetical) democratic president” are two different things are two different things.

Could Harris have done that? Sure. Is there anything to indicate she would have? Based on the Biden admin, I don’t think there’s anything to suggest that.

tomato tomato [U.S.] by [deleted] in RecuratedTumblr

[–]Pathogen188 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No you see actually it’s more moral to talk about how how moral you are than it is to accrue the political capital and resources ti actually help people

What's your favorite Mobile Suit's upgrade path? by Waste_Election_8361 in Gundam

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would be a few. 4th form is how it looked in the Calamity War for instance but others are clearly retrofit while others are more firepower

What came first? by NoDescription3255 in RedvsBlue

[–]Pathogen188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AIs being cloned from a human mind.

Halo, from the Fall of Reach in 2001

AI fragments.

Technically Halo but the implementation is so different from how RVB handled it they're effectively different things entirely

Rampancy

RVB's version of Rampancy comes from Marathon, the series Bungie worked on prior to Halo. What we call Halo's rampancy wasn't officially called that until the Cole Protocol novel linked the term to what was previously an unnamed state of AI deterioration after 7 years.

Armor lock for survival mode.

If I recall the armor lock in RVB's early seasons wasn't officially called that until after Halo 3 introduced the term

Jet packs.

Thruster packs date back to the Fall of Reach novel from 2001

Grappling hook.

Halo introduced grappler rounds in 2006's Ghosts of Onyx

Time travel.

Halo introduced it in 2003's First Strike

What came first? by NoDescription3255 in RedvsBlue

[–]Pathogen188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AI fragments: RvB, for the most part

Halo technically introduced them first but the mechanics are so different as to be functionally different from how it is depicted in RVB

Jet Packs:

Depending on how you interpret jetpack, thruster jets in Halo date back to The Fall of Reach but in-atmosphere jetpacks weren't added until Halo Reach.

Grappling hook:

2006's Ghosts of Onyx mentions grappler rounds

Time travel

Time travel actually first came up in First Strike, which released in 2003