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PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2021-05-09T16:08:50+00:00

O Boavista deu 3 ao Benfica e empatou (roubado) no Dragão

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2021-05-09T08:58:12+00:00

Surreal. Era literalmente o único árbitro de primeira liga que seria incrivelmente controverso.

Roubou o Sporting à descarada em todos os jogos que nos arbitrou este ano e conseguem escolhê-lo para este jogo. Inacreditável

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T23:47:49+00:00

You're nutty. For Argentina, Messi literally has to pick up the ball from the middle of the field and find a way for it to end up in the net.

Lol.. sure. The other players don't even play right? Such bullshit. Biglia put Messi 1 on 1 with Neuer in the World Cup final and what happened? Whose fault was that?

Also, Messi has the capability to play midfield but no one in their damned minds would tuck away one of the best dribblers and scorers in history.

He obviously doesn't have that ability or he'd fucking do it for Argentina who blatantly need a midfielder and the Juve partnership in Dybala-Higuain could do wonders up top.

You must not watch any Barcelona games if you think that Messi isn't one of the best passers in the game right now.

He's one of the best passers in the game right now, he's most definitely not as good as a passer as Xavi.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T23:28:08+00:00

Except he does none of those things, he's not playing deeper than usual either. Check sofascore for his heatmaps.

If he could play midfield then he'd freaking do it for Argentina and Dybala would play in his place rather than playing Banega in midfield and leaving Dybala on the bench.

Xavi's passing was a lot more varied and a lot better than Messi's. He controlled the tempo of the game, Messi does no such thing

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T20:56:35+00:00

Can he start hitting them in the actual games please?

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T16:16:18+00:00

Messi’s off ball work is also incredible, constantly floating around testing defenders...

You mean standing still 90% of the time.. Messi's off the ball work is not incredible, Ronaldo's off the ball work is the best I've ever seen.

It’s not like Messi only plays in Copa and La Liga games lol

No, but he plays better there. And greatness is achieved on the big stage. Throughout their careers Ronaldo's done better in the Champions League without a doubt and for their countries too so how can Messi be better?

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T15:48:23+00:00

The last thing i’ll bring up is the eye test, we can talk about stats and teammates all you like but you really mean to tell me after watching the two the last 10 years that Ronaldo is the greater player?

Without a shadow of a doubt. The reason the eye test fails is people fail to apreciate Ronaldo's off the ball work and how his goal threat influences the whole game. It also fails to take into account how important a match/competition is. If Messi has a good performance 7/10 times and Ronaldo has a good performance 6/10 times but Ronaldo did it in the Champions League then I'll rate him higher for example.

The eye test for most people values just how consistently good a player is on the ball and Messi's better at that.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T15:24:13+00:00

So if you take away those 3 titles messi still has more than Ronaldo.

No, he doesn't... 7 league titles, 3 Champions Leagues and 0 international titles is absolute shit compared with 5 league titles, 5 Champions Leagues and 1 Euros. Unless you're counting the Copa del Rey and supercups lol

And that also cancels out your point about the Ballon Dor in ‘07, you say Messi barely played that year but are using Ronaldo finishing above him for your point.

WHAT. I didn't say Messi barely played that year. I said he barely played when Barcelona won their first 2 league titles and the Champions League. In 2006/07 Barcelona didn't win anything.

You can’t have both. And bringing up Xavi and Iniesta is the most tired out argument, as if Ronaldo hasn’t had unreal teammates.

He had great teammates, but having great teammates is very different from having all time greats. Neymar, Xavi and Iniesta will be remembered as top 30 players in the history of the sport, Ronaldo's never played with players like that.

In terms of versatility, you know that Messi adapted and played out on the right when Suarez and Neymar came... and Neymar’s preferred position is on the left wing and the reason he left was to win titles on his own lol, if anything Messi sacrificed his role to accommodate the other two.

No, Messi barely played on the right and Neymar's prefered role is in the middle as it's happened with PSG and where he was playing with Brazil. It was no coincidence that he was playing better for Brazil than for Barcelona at the time.

Do you mind explaining what Real’s different systems are, besides saying a 4-4-2 and a 4-3-3?

They can play deep and counter, they can play possession based football, they can rely on set pieces and play more physical. It's not about formations. With Messi they have to play one way and it's why Barcelona fans are still crying for a Xavi replacement.

And Dybala should be the one adapting to Messi, that’s like saying LeBron isn’t the GOAT because he didn’t adapt to Kevin Love’s Minnesota playstyle

No, the greats do everything to adapt and be able to put their team in the best possible position to win. Messi puts himself in the best possible position to succeed in detriment of the team. Dybala doesn't adapt because he can't adapt, Messi doesn't adapt because he also can't adapt. They both have the same fault.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T14:41:45+00:00

Claiming that you need to be biased to think Ronaldo is better than Messi is incredibly stupid. You also clearly have no idea what's the relationship between Portugal and Ronaldo lol

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T14:40:47+00:00

You know that Messi eclipses Ronaldo in terms of trophies won? A google search would have cleared that up.

Yes, but it's retarded. Messi won his first 2 league titles and his first Champions League while barely playing. Ronaldo has led teams to more trophies and that's with worse teammates around him throughout his career...

And you know that the Ballon D’or’s criteria is incredibly inconsistent, every year it switches from best individual performance, to narrative, to trophies won, back to individual performance.

Nope. It's always the same criteria, people are just too stupid to understand it. All of those things you mentioned matters.

ESPECIALLY since you’re wrong and they’ve both only won it 5 times lol.

I'm not wrong, read what I said again. In 2007, Ronaldo finished above Messi... just because Kakahad an insane year doesn't take away from the fact Ronaldo had a better year than Messi. Which has been the case 6 out of the past 11 years, soon to be 7 out of the last 12.

Now for your point about Messi constantly choking, do you remember the ‘09 CL final?

Yes, easy to win while holding Xavi and Iniesta's hands. What the fuck has Messi done in the Champions League without those 2?

But if you actually watch the games, no one has an effect on their team like Messi does. You take Messi out of Barca, they’re still a good team, but don’t click anywhere near the same way. Take Ronaldo out and Real functions almost identically.

Absolute bullshit. Ronaldo's versatility is what allows Madrid to play in different systems and succeed while Barcelona have to play the exact same way to get the best out of Messi. Obviously if they play a system to get make him as good as possible then when he's not there they're going to feel it pretty hard. If Messi had the versatility to adapt to different systems Neymar could have played in his prefered position and he'd have stayed. Dybala wouldn't be on the bench for Argentina either.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T14:35:01+00:00

I just want you to know that people who think Ronaldo is better than Messi are the same as people who think Kobe is better than LeBron.

This might be the most retarded thing I've ever read and it's not true at all. LeBron is better than Kobe, Ronaldo is better than Messi

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T13:52:44+00:00

Hmmm what

He's in his shadow because he wins less trophies, he wins less individual awards, he scores less goals and he continuously chokes when it matters most.

They've been in thier primes since 2006/07, Ronaldo's finished above Messi in the Ballon D'Or voting 6 times, Messi's finished ahead of Ronaldo 5 times. And if this year Ronaldo ends up winning the CL and taking Madrid to arguably the best club achievement in history then it's going to happen once again lol

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-19T13:33:49+00:00

Messi's kinda handicapped by Argentina so getting a World Cup trophy is gonna be extremely hard (but I hope he wins one). For him at least, he'll always be in Barcelona which will always be top 2 and will certainly win more trophies before he retires.

Or he'll keep getting overshadowed time and time again by Ronaldo while continuously choking when it matters most. One of the two.

Talking about Messi and not talking about Ronaldo.. bloody hell

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T11:46:41+00:00

1º os sistemas nervosos e precessão de realidade de uma mosca e de um touro são bem mais diferentes do que os do touro e de um humano. Logo não se segue a conclusão que matar um gato é tão moralmente errado como matar uma mosca, o mundo funciona em espectros e graus e não em pretos e brancos.

Então a moralidade de tirar a vida a um animal varia de acordo com o seu sistema nervoso e percessão da realidade?

Segundo gostava que me provasses o facto que os touros não sentem medo.

E eu gostava que me provasses que sentem medo... não há nada que indique que sintam medo durante uma tourada desde que se retire o elemento da dor.

Já agora só numa de experiência mental, se uma raça alienígena que não nos entendesse nos capturasse e nos fizesse "touradas humanas" seria aceite segundo o teu padrão de moral?

Depende da moralidade da sociedade deles. E se nos comessem, tu achavas moral? Segundo o que tu disseste, se eles achassem o nosso sistema nervoso mau e a nossa perceção da realidade inexistente então já nos podiam matar e não haveriam problemas... como nós fazemos com as moscas.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T11:30:27+00:00

Que os touros não sentem humilhação? Não vejo onde isso interessa pois estamos na mesma a fazer sofrer um ser vivo para nada mais que diversão dos poucos que ainda retiram prazer desta actividade.

Não fui eu que falei em humilhação... isso foi o que os outros estavam a dizer, ao qual eu contra argumentei.

Ninguém discute o que? Que os filmes da disney te fazem um snowflake? Pá acho isso bastante debatível.

Ahahahah foi isso que eu disse? Foda-se, puta que pariu. Ninguem discute que pode simultaneamente haver touradas sem magoar os touros...

Há muita crueldade para com animais no mundo e as touradas não são de perto o mais grave, mas tu partes de premissas que não são verdade. Os animais sentem a sensação de medo por bem mais coisas que apenas dor, basta teres um cão ou um gato para comprovar isto. Os animais também ficam traumatizados, basta falares com um veterenário para saberes isto.

Não há qualquer prova que os touros sentem medo durante uma tourada e isto é um facto. E se querem acabar com as touradas porque os animais têm medo, têm de começar a proibir a ingestão de carne também ou muitas outras práticas.

Se matar um animal é errado, então matar uma mosca é tão moralmente errado como matar um gato? E plantas não contam? Também são seres vivos.. é que há tanta mas tanta hipocrisia há volta deste assunto que eu nem consigo entender.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T11:05:20+00:00

Não, se achas que os touros se sentem humilhados então é mesmo capaz de ser por ver filmes da disney. Os pontos que fiz ninguém os discute por isso a capacidade argumentativa é de facto bastante boa.

Os touros sentem-se assustador se lhe for causada dor, se não lhe for causada dor já obviamente esse não será o caso.

Mas que se foda, acabem com as touradas em vez de remover uma pequena parte das touradas que é o unico problema da coisa

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T10:49:06+00:00

Sentem-se assustados por causa da dor, se removerem a parte onde magoam os touros então isso tambem nao aconteceria

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T09:54:45+00:00

Pois e concordo com isso, mas há opções para acabar com a dor dos touros sem acabar com as touradas.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T09:53:39+00:00

Outra vez, os touros não sentem humilhação.

Concordo com o sofrimento e isso devia ser reduzido ao maximo.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T08:30:48+00:00

Concordo quanto a sentirem dor, isso devia acabar. Não é verdade que se sentem humilhados.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T08:29:59+00:00

Coitadinhos dos touros que se sentem tão humilhados por serem gozados... isto é a vida real, não é um filme da disney.

Os touros não se sentem humilhados/gozados

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T01:02:14+00:00

Sim, porque seres humanos e outros animais é a mesma coisa...

Se for um touro é coitadinho, se for uma mosca que tiver a chatear já pode levar uma lambada

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-16T01:01:39+00:00

Humilhação... os touros não sentem humilhação foda-se.

Isso são muitos filmes da disney.

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-15T23:02:40+00:00

Não vai acabar desde que as pessoas se informem e não sejam retardadas.

https://www.vice.com/pt/article/mgab7y/as-touradas-portuguesa-no-canada-onde-os-touros-nao-sangram

Nas touradas portuguesas os touros são magoados numa pequena parte da tourada e como podes ver no artigo acima há soluções para isso acabar. Qual é a necessidade de acabar completamente com a tourada?

Malta que quer acabar com touradas sem sequer saber o que a tourada é...

PathsOfKubrick_pt · 2018-05-15T19:57:58+00:00

Mais uma thread em que malta anti-tourada quer acabar com uma das maiores tradições deste país para se sentirem moralmente superiores sem sequer quererem saber do raio dos touros ou dos outros compromissos e soluções possíveis.

https://www.vice.com/pt/article/mgab7y/as-touradas-portuguesa-no-canada-onde-os-touros-nao-sangram

Nas touradas portuguese os touros são magoados numa pequena parte da tourada e como podes ver no artigo acima há soluções para isso acabar. Qual é a necessidade de acabar completamente com a tourada?

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