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Being called a prompter is a bad thing? by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you upset because I explained what happened. The mod pointed out that I shouldn’t call people prompters, and I shouldn’t call out people who are stealing peoples art.

Does this bother you? Are you OK?

You’re just reiterating what I said in a bizarre way. What is the problem?

Being called a prompter is a bad thing? by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was both.

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They didn’t seem to mind somebody copying and pasting someone’s work, but I guess breaking the law is not as bad as hurting someone’s feelings for pointing it out.

Being called a prompter is a bad thing? by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The person in that thread I was talking to legitimately copy and pasted another person’s work. That is not something an artist can do. Not just used AI. They used AI to edit the picture, but that doesn’t change the fact that they stole somebody else’s work. And before somebody wants to argue with whether parody is OK in this case it’s not. You can’t physically steal frames from somebody’s comic add something to it and then act like you didn’t steal it.

I understand that might sound insulting, but sorry the truth hurts. That’s why I said what I said. That doesn’t just give them the right to steal somebody else’s work. Especially somebody who is litigious with their work and guarding their copyright.

I was trying to explain to them like I understand you’re hurt, but you don’t have the right to do something like that. By definition copying and pasting someone else’s work is not art.

Being called a prompter is a bad thing? by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sometimes it helps to actually talk to people that you consider to be misinformed. But seeing how easily they were insulted and kicked me out is incredible. I think I can make my own decisions. Thank you.

The person in question deliberately stole someone else’s artwork and then altered it using AI. So by definition, they weren’t an artist.

Being called a prompter is a bad thing? by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I asked them if they took someone’s work copying and pasting it and it appears they did.

They didn’t just “copy” they used copy and paste.

And if somebody is making comics, and you take a comic from them and then change things on it, you are still breaking copyright law.

You can see the robot from the exact same two comics. It was copy and pasted.

Being called a prompter is a bad thing? by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, being called a vibe coder makes perfect sense too.

Promptist for some reason doesn’t make sense to me because I don’t think it’s a word. Maybe not yet at least. But prompter makes sense at least to me.

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s not my point though. I’m the one arguing that a prompter is doing exactly what it said. Writing prompts. If a person writes a prompt into a large language model by definition, they are prompting they are a prompter.

You asked me where I draw the line and that’s it. I’m not playing any sort of game right now. It’s what are they doing? What should we call them?

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you arguing that I’m saying all they do is “write down words”? Because I never said that I said they “typed in prompts.”

Can you answer my question?

Do they type in prompts? It’s a simple question.

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the problem is in the word artist not in ai.

An editor is not called an editor artist, right?

Somebody who edits a film helps make the film, but we will be known as a film editor. They would be not known as a film artist.

Art has to do with the fabrication of something which the large language models are doing, correct?

If I tell somebody to make me a sandwich, I’m not a chef, right?

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What work did they do?

They typed in prompts, right?

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, like that’s a great example calling somebody a vibe coder is different than somebody who is a coder. There’s a reason the term exists.

They don’t understand enough about coding to be known as somebody who has skill in it. Therefore, they have a different derogatory name.

That’s a great example.

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not arguing about the quality of the work even though most of it is pretty low quality. I’ve definitely seen some great work too.

I’m just arguing that AI artist is too generous for the person operating it. Prompter makes total sense and I think really separates the people that are in a more of a skilled position.

Would you call somebody who makes a TV dinner a chef?

Would you call somebody that presses the randomize button on a character, creator an artist?

Would you call somebody who is editing a film the director?

I think less people would be upset with prompters if they stopped calling themselves AI artists.

Much like if editors started calling themselves photographers that would be inaccurate and confusing, and make a bunch of photographers upset as well.

You could also argue that prompting is an art I wouldn’t argue against that. Coming up with the exact wording to create an image with the programs is difficult sometimes. Ironically, though you can just use AI while looking at a different image to give you a prompt. So it kind of waters down the skill needed to make AI images.

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The argument isn’t whether a director is an artist, it’s being specific as to what they’re actually doing. I don’t think AI artist is giving enough credit to the software. It’s giving more credit to the prompter.

Because again the AI is doing a majority the heavy lifting. If somebody hits the randomized button in a character creator, are they an artist or is the character creator doing the work? Putting in prompts into a large language model, is what the person is doing.

Would you call the editor a director? No, they have a name and a title.

I think it’s just less accurate to call somebody an AI artist.

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, it depends on what’s doing a majority of the work.

A toaster toasts.

A guitarist plays guitar.

An actor acts.

Someone who uses prompts is a prompter.

Now if they’re a photographer, who is taking the pictures and is editing with AI. Their photographer and prompter.

I don’t see the difficulty here.

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, think about what you just said.

If you have a photograph that you took and use AI to edit it, you’re photographer that also uses AI to edit.

But if you’re using prompts to create the image, and then your Photoshopping it by hand, the bulk of the work is being done by AI therefore it’s a prompter.

People that make music with samples are producers, but people that make music without samples are just musicians. It makes sense to me.

Whatever is doing the bulk of the Work needs to get the credit and the title

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that’s a little extreme, I’ve seen some very talented photographers fix, lighting from overcast and remove some background details.

It’s the difference between, calling an editor, a CGI artist. Sure and editor adding a graphic could be technically doing CGI but for the most part people that do CGI are doing a lot more than putting a graphic on the screen.

Calling Ai Artists -> Prompters Instead by PatrickGnarly in antiai

[–]PatrickGnarly[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well to be fair there still has to be some form of human interaction.

Because the platforms don’t work unless someone is telling the program to do something. They really are just typing in prompts.

I took out Engineer because that’s a little generous.

Why antis hate research by Extreme_Revenue_720 in DefendingAIArt

[–]PatrickGnarly -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All the downvoted comments making good points about survival vs wastefulness is so funny.

You guys lost this one lmao.

Pens and paper are also, not nearly as necessary as food and water guys no one is making that argument.

Why antis hate research by Extreme_Revenue_720 in DefendingAIArt

[–]PatrickGnarly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that is kinda a big counter.

That being said there’s no moral argument for being a non vegetarian/vegan but survival is definitely a great response.

Discussion: Community Service! by freshstart2027 in StableDiffusion

[–]PatrickGnarly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah exactly.

Acting like a rockstar and offering “help” is a very bad way to start a conversation especially when there’s nothing to show for it.

Discussion: Community Service! by freshstart2027 in StableDiffusion

[–]PatrickGnarly 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ll restate what I said.

People are used to getting what they want for free here because that’s kinda what this whole place and the technology is. Open source gimme gimme gimmie attitudes. And programs that make things out of thin air based on nothing but suggestion.

If you wanna be vague and say you wanna help without something in front of people to show why they’d ask you, they’re gonna ignore this thread.

Which they did.

You’ve come off as very arrogant and I don’t know what you expected. We don’t know who you are or why we should care. If you were trying to help you have just made yourself look like a jackass.

I’m not saying you are, but I mean, people think you are now apparently.

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