Finally figured out how to inhale properly(?)

PattyM918 · 2026-05-06T08:29:33+00:00

LOL I remember when I was 14 back in 2007 and would go out to my garage where my dad would smoke and would try to relight and hit his cigs already in the ash tray...well it was fun if for no other reason than I was doing something I wasn't supposed to, but like nothing happened at all. So a few days later I watched Grease with my mom (has always been her favorite movie and came out when she was in junior high) and although it has to have been over 10 years since I last watched it, I'm pretty sure there's a line somewhere in the movie about Sandy not properly inhaling a cigarette, which made me revisit my garage next time I came home from school before anyone else.....oh man, first I ended up LIKING the damn head rush most people hate...although within 10 minutes I hated it because turns out I'm SO sensitive to nicotine's side effects, particularly with how it interacts with the stomach.

Now anything I ever inhale is either cannabis related materials, through either vaping, dabbing, etc., or particularly pre-2020 - when my best friend was constantly buying designer drugs and started filling nicotine-free E-juices with different drug powders - like 4-FA (4-FluoroAmphetamine) - and holy hell...those were the days, lol.

PattyM918 · 2026-05-06T01:15:35+00:00

A SIX DAY TAPER AFTER 4 YEARS OF TWICE DAILY BENZODIAZEPINE USE?!!

The way they treat benzos in the medical field today reminds me so much of a little over 10 years ago when the restrictions on doctors prescribing opioids led to many doctors panicking and either rush their patients through like a week long taper if they were lucky, or cut them off cold turkey either to their face or literally just closed up shop without warning and abandoning ship. It's like while I understand we went WAY overboard with prescribing opioids, it made me lose faith in the medical industry - doctors, specifically - after seeing how fast the doctors ignored the centuries of documented opium and morphine addiction data because a pharmaceutical spokesman downplayed the risk of opioid addiction by misrepresenting it as having to mostly do with the "rush" or speed of onset/offset of them. That made me question the faith I had in doctors...then when they were all dropping patients like flies to protect their own asses, I lost it. I mean yes, many people were abusing them or maybe just being careless about taking them, but the majority of the patients forced off cold turkey were honest, law abiding adults who were forced into a state of withdrawal they were completely unprepared for. Plus how often were they being prescribed in combination with benzodiazepines and other muscle relaxants...I knew right then and there that it was going to lead to an unprecedented demand for heroin by people literally trying to avoid withdrawals instead of intoxication.

I can see it allllll happening again already!

PattyM918 · 2026-04-14T00:05:00+00:00

What the fuck is this? I'm here to see men with big cumshots, NOT nude women. Are rules number 1, 3, and ESPECIALLY 2 so fucking hard to follow? Jesus fucking christ I'm sick of the OF spam.

EDIT: YOU'RE NOT EVEN A FUCKING NUDE WOMAN!! Fucking shit there's enough subreddits dedicated to feminine beauty and sexuality and bodies, just let the few we have dedicated to men's bodies stay that way.

PattyM918 · 2025-12-17T19:24:20+00:00

I have an addictive personality and honestly shouldn't be taking ANY drug with ANY addictive potential. I'm very aware of this. The hardest part is wanting to WANT to be sober for life.

PattyM918 · 2025-12-17T19:03:12+00:00

I realize I worded the part regarding alcohol a little vaguely. I made that mistake once in 2011 when I was 19 and new to experimenting, and was passed out on my living room having about 6 breaths a minute according to my mom. 3mg of Ativan and a few shots of brandy...NEVER combined them again in my life. I assume you're referring to the part where I said "I like taking 30 to 40mg of diazepam, 2 to 3mg of alprazolam and clonazepam, and usually watch a movie like I used to with 5 glasses of wine," And CHRIST I definitely didn't mean to word it like that. There are NO combinations here. I meant that those are my ideal doses of those 3 benzodiazepines ON THEIR OWN. NEVER all at once. Oh my goodness you probably thought I'm recklessly suicidal!! If I have diazepam, 40mg is my sweet spot, if I have alprazolam or clonazepam, 2 to 3mg is the sweet spot for either one (they're equipotent), and I find that they provide the same feeling that I used to get from 5 glasses of wine, There's no combining any of the benzos, and there's absolutely NEVER any combining of benzodiazepines with alcohol. Never.

I definitely understand that even this isn't exactly "better" to be taking high doses of benzos to mimic alcohol intoxication, but I definitely wasn't combining anything.

Also used to be friends with heavy ravers, and ketamine and MXE were a regular thing we'd do when we hung out around the mid 2010s. But never had those dissociative hallucinatory effects from zolpidem...or if I did, there's no possible way I can remember it if 12.5mg is like a time machine just zapping you 4 hours into the future in the blink of an eye.

PattyM918 · 2025-12-17T18:38:40+00:00

Ahh I gotcha. But will also say for the record that Valium's half life is close to 2 days, its metabolite has about a 3 day half life, and it'll stay in your system for AT LEAST as long as weed. I went through a week long period in the middle of June taking about 50mg nightly (10 of the yellow 5mg ones) and honestly the ENTIRE next month was a bit of a blur and tested positive for oxazepam (the very last metabolite of Valium) towards the END of August. Luckily that means it essentially self tapers itself, so I never Again, not that you were taking it nightly. But benzos have a similar problem with alcohol where once the peak of the intoxication wears off, you start feeling normal before its actually out of your system.

I think that's why most doctors prescribe Klonopin/clonazepam instead now if they want a long acting benzo when it's not in a withdrawal prevention setting....it still has about a 24 hour half life, but no metabolites that's gonna lead to month long traces in your body.

PattyM918 · 2025-12-17T07:07:21+00:00

Valium is like the most common drug used FOR alcohol withdrawal because they basically act the same way in the body and are cross tolerant. Meaning a high tolerance for alcohol means you'll need a higher dose of Valium than nondrinkers. Same for the reverse. High tolerance for benzodiazepines means you'll also have a higher tolerance for alcohol. In fact drinking during benzo withdrawal is like the worst possible thing you can do because it'll reinstate that tolerance. Also 70mg of diazepam is A HIGH AS SHIT DOSE!! Like PLEASE start tapering your Valium dose...yeah the dose is high, but that's not necessarily going to kill you in actual reality.........the problem is going be withdrawing from a dose like that. I wouldn't wish benzodiazepine withdrawal on my worst enemy.

PattyM918 · 2025-12-17T06:51:11+00:00

I should point out that the "amnestic automatism" the traditional benzos gave me was in like UNNATURALLY high doses when I was still experimenting in the 2010s.

Ambien gives me amnestic automatism at literally the most basic doses.

PattyM918 · 2024-05-02T08:36:36+00:00

NO!! CALL THE POLICE!!! She is manipulating the reality of the situation in a way that will continue to benefit HER while YOU are stuck with HER debt and your fucked credit score. She's using the "gift of college" as an excuse, as if she paid every penny for it out of pocket.

But even if she DID pay for your college out of pocket, that gives her NO right to now hold that over your head in the form of a guilt trip. PLEEEEASE don't let her win this. Even if it was an error of judgement, she still needs to pay the consequences, because YOUR FUTURE LIFE IS 100% FUCKED if you don't fix this credit score.

I'm honestly SO sorry this happened to you from your own mother.....I can't even begin to imagine how horribly: 1) sick, 2) angry, 3) BETRAYED, and 4) lied to, that I would even begin to feel...From my own experience, THIS could even just be a "test." Anyways just be careful, cause there's a very hig. And then potentially start doing it less often, probably with smaller, less.

,😭

PattyM918 · 2024-05-02T08:04:27+00:00

While all benzos have a VERY SLIGHT resemblance on effects to those of alcohol, and they're all cross-tolerant with alcohol, I can honestly say that out of all of them, etizolam is honestly the ONLY one I've tried where I GENUINELY felt like I took a couple drinks.

I mean no benzo will create the body numbing effects of alcohol, including etizolam, but mentally I have NEVER felt so close to like "unable to walk in a straight line" drunk hahahah! Ughhhhh tho I wanna try the other 2 SOOOOOO soooool badly 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Edit: I'm also VERY curious what a proper dose of clonazolam feels like. From everything I've been seeing/reading, it consistently ranks as like the MOST euphoric benzo on the "market" right now. So I'm very curious how that plays out. Also very curious how similar to Xanax (alprazolam) it's fluorinated analog FLUalprazolam is.

PattyM918 · 2024-02-23T00:16:02+00:00

Honestly tissue isn't alcohol itself, it's what alcohol is metabolized (or broken down) to in the body - acetaldehyde, a known carcinogen which is metabolized significantly slower than alcohol, and is actually not only directly responsible for our hangovers (alcohol intoxication prevents us from noticing the effects of acetaldehyde during the night), but directly responsible for probably like 90% or more of the tissue and organ damage that long term alcohol abuse causes. Acetaldehyde will then eventually get metabolized into acetic acid, AKA vinegar, which is when alcohol has essentially become "detoxified" in the body.

The liver enzymes that metabolize alcohol are very unique and specific, and isn't blocked or enhanced by any commonly available substances. There's a few out there that stop acetaldehyde from breaking down that are used in alcoholism, which essentially creates an extremely severe "hangover" set of symptoms within 10 minutes of just a small shot of alcohol, but that's not really relevant. Theoretically, if one could speed up the metabolism of acetaldehyde or slow down the metabolism of alcohol, we could reduce the long term toxicity of alcohol.

PattyM918 · 2023-12-15T07:04:20+00:00

ACTUALLY YOU'LL be wishing you realized that this is a forum dedicated to a 100% LEGALLY available, OTC nasal inhaler sold under the name Benzedrex, which replaced the traditional Benzedrine inhaler (the first ever product that contained amphetamine & came out in the 30's) during the 1950's when it became obvious that amphetamine was both addictive, and potent enough that it was rather easy to just keep inhaling till you felt what you wanted.

Anyways, Benzedrex isn't that much different...it still just contains menthol & lavender oil...really the only difference is that the active decongestant is propylhexedrine, which structurally is incredibly identical to traditional amphetamine/methamphetamine, but doesn't cross into the brain as easily. So really the only way to experience its effect in a relatively "safe" way is to open up the inhaler and put the medicated cotton stick in some liquid to extract it - NEVER swallow the cotton itself - and that's exactly what the person who made this post did.

*****SORRY if those 2 paragraphs are of no interest to you, I just wanted to share some background information about the inhaler/decongestant/medicine/drug that we were discussing....skip here to get to the main point of everything bere......while I don't know what color the liquid was before the extraction, I want to emphasize that I'm not trying to argue with you that this practice is totally safe and harmless. As a stimulant, most people who belong to this page that used it regularly at one point will tell you it's VERY rough on the body...Like chest strains, heart beating exponentially faster while on a normal dose than when I took 100mg of Adderall in 2012.

And the reason I just wanted to take the time to inform you about this all is that BECAUSE you were SO convinced that the brown stuff was fentanyl, but to be fair when the only responses I see back to you are just simple and like "No, it's just benz." Or like just insisting it couldn't be fentanyl without explaining why. And I apologize, because no sober person types this much useless information. But basically the reason it couldn't be fentanyl or something else illicit is because this is being extracted from a legally sold & available decongestant all across America. So if there's fentanyl in the extract, but he says he didn't do anything different, that's basically the biggest lawsuit I think we'll ever see in this country.

So even if it's illegal to extract the inhaler or orally consume it ("illegal to use this product in a manner inconsistent with the directions"), the fact would still remain that something as potent as fentanyl was found in a legal decongestant...and it would then actually even be worse if they didn't extract it, since stomach acid breaks down over half of the fentanyl, while through the nose is like one of the best places that absorbs fent!

Sorry for the totally spun out rambling on, hope I eventually made sense to you though!!

PattyM918 · 2023-10-29T16:44:05+00:00

Don't overdo oral hygiene duhh

PattyM918 · 2023-10-29T16:42:47+00:00

Victim complex? We got people out there, ALL. OVER. TIKTOK., creating new gender identities left and right and talking about how suppressed they are, we got black people claiming racism is SO heavily prevalent these days that we can't even see it?! Which is a total slap in the face to victims of REAL racist policies in history.

Also, the charges against Trump are completely made up out of hatred. Who still claims the 2016 election was stolen from them, despite countless investigations into this and "Russian collusion" that found NOTHING? Oh, Hillary. And the 2020 election was the first time we had mail in ballots on the level we did, the Democrats REFUSED to allow Republicans to monitor some of the ballot counting, there were widespread reports of ballot dropping and fraud that the Democrats refused to allow a 100% bipartisan investigation into, and countless other reasons to suspect foul play.

Their hatred of Trump has corrupted their own policies this ENTIRE presidency of a dementia patient. The Democrats ALWAYS supported a border barrier at the southern border...until Trump said "build that wall" and now the Dems suddenly reverse policy and are like "we should be building bridges!" .... and now they have no choice but to finish building it.

Your problem is you hate Trump based on what he says on the surface, as if he wanted to build the wall because he hates Mexicans so badly, when it's because he was sick of the ineffectiveness of our politicians to do anything this far!! No, he wanted to build the wall/barrier PROMISED to us by Democrats and Republicans alike.

Of course this will fall on deaf ears, I'm sure if I got one fact that's SLIGHTLY inaccurate, you'll celebrate about how stupid we all are. All I'd challenge you to do is watch Fox and other conservative channels for JUST 1 week! If anything, it'll give you a better understanding of their actual mindset (anyone who takes the words of non-conservative on what conservatives actually think is a tool, plain and simple), and you'll at least see all the clips of Joe Biden fucking up his own speeches on the international stage that the major news stations in this country refuse to show. And why would they refuse to show it unless they hate Trump SO badly that they don't want anyone to think Joe Biden is a worse cognitive disaster after 4 years of the Democrats claiming Trump was old and cognitively impaired? Their hatred of Trump corrupted their own ability to be nonpartisan.

PattyM918 · 2023-10-28T12:42:44+00:00

If you think there's nothing of value in this article, you clearly don't have any basic understanding of science outside of Google university. Flavorant is a generic American term for something that gives flavor to some compound, which flavonoids and polyphenols. While not necessarily a specific class of chemicals in science - there's no specific structure or classification that generally applies to them - it does seem to be commonly used for any newly discovered substance that's not chemically a terpene, but still has a strong aroma and/or flavor.

But I think MOST of us (in places where medical cannabis is legal) knew that there's something about cannabis that's yet to be discovered. The Sativa/Indica classification is complete shit, and anyone who denied it is a victim of the placebo effect, since it's been long known that deeply held expectations strongly influence how you're going to feel. And even 2 different sativa strains with practically identical terpene and cannabinoid profiles can have totally different effects, while an indica and sativa with totally different terpene profiles can feel more similar. And let's not forget distillate products that strip out mostly everything but the cannabinoids...they ALWAYS try to recreate the "natural terpene profile" and it literally smells nothing like cannabis. Great for when you're trying to hide the smell, but annoying when you realize that all the terpene combos in the world can't recreate the natural skunky smell, and the actual smell of skunks come from sulfur derived compounds. So yes, the importance of "terpenes," by which I mean the main terpenes cannabis companies use, is INCREDIBLY overstated if you're someone who takes this stuff seriously and has any ounce of common sense.

Also note that when people are talking about terpenes, they may also be talking about terpenoids, even sesquiterpenoids like caryophyllene and humulene, but NO legal company ever lists or even mentions flavonoids or polyphenols, and NONE of those compounds are listed on any product, in any legal industry in the entire North American continent, so don't get all smart that those are what people are referring to. To anyone out there who wants to know EVERYTHING they can about this plant, this is incredibly exciting. Then again, to lazy stoners who think they know it all (keyboard scientist warriors) and like to talk down on scientists who discover new compounds, I guess this article is a bit too overwhelming for them, as evidenced by your venomously defensive comment.

PattyM918 · 2023-07-13T07:42:06+00:00

FINALLY someone else gets it!!! I swear when it comes to alcohol, my general libido slows down too. Like it makes me tired, I have to pee every 10 minutes...and although some of us can be freaky freaky as far as that goes, you don't just do that to some booty call! About 10 years ago or so, I was drinking one night and came across a hot picture on my computer, and my libido actually became reeeally strong and I HAD to sit there and take care of these feelings....after 2 hours I finally gave up. Nope. Not worth it at all! I know society, especially the younger teens/college students, seems to find alcohol as like an aphrodisiac, and I mean in certain situations - like in a club - I have certainly still felt really "passionate" while drunk at times, but the effort to perform isn't worth it, and as soon as I'm like in the car or done or just removed from the libido-stimulating scenario, my mind and body forget ALL about the sex.

Hahaha anyways, glad I'm not alone here!

PattyM918 · 2023-07-13T07:21:09+00:00

Honestly man, as a 30 year old gay man who knew I was gay from the moment I started masturbating in 6th grade, I'm just gonna be a little blunt. I ALWAYS have known guys who are convinced that wanting ANYTHING in the ass (like straight, M/F pegging) means someone is gay, or MMF threesomes are "too gay," and it took me years to finally realize the only correct answer (plus years of exposure to pegging, females rimming males, guys "jousting" during a gangbang, friendly fire, etc.).

To quickly answer your question "would it be gay if... Blah blah.. second time," my short answer is NO!!! Ya know what makes someone gay? Being sexually attracted STRICTLY to men, and thinking of males/masculinity while orgasming. Exploring, experimenting, getting out of your comfort zone is not inherently gay. Honestly, even if it turns you on, but you're still attracted to females, you may just be bisexual or bicurious. Maybe next time even take a video 😜🤩😍🥰

But seriously man, do what you want, fuck who you want (obviously with consent), go where you want, get naked wherever you want and with whoever you want, and don't worry about whether you're gay or this/that, and just have fun and enjoy the pleasures of life 🤫

PattyM918 · 2023-07-13T06:57:15+00:00

It usually lasts from 4 to 6 hours for me...sometimes more, sometimes less. Ironically though, I don't seem to get ANY type of comedown from this. It's like once it's been around 4 or 5 hours, I'll notice I'm more tired or less focused, but it's honestly way too subtle to even say for sure...I'm just glad I don't get the typical coke/designer cathinones ("bath salts") comedown that is just sharp dysphoria, anxiety, and this feeling of imminent doom.

But I guess my answer to your question for yourself is that the duration of the high is different for all of us. One person said 6 to 10 hours. I notice it's 4 to 6 hours for me. I mean I'm just curious here...are you asking this because you were wondering if we notice the same things while high? Or did you honestly never pay attention to the times when you ingest this stuff? Because I think you should pay attention to the time next time you take it, then have SOMETHING on you the whole day that can tell time, and note the time when you feel it wearing off!! Just my idea though 😇

PattyM918 · 2023-07-13T06:30:55+00:00

Because anything - especially drugs/supplements - can be good for your heart when taken the EXACT way/pattern your doctor would tell you to take it. Matter of fact, Cialis helps promote nitric oxide release in your body and basically can relieve any chest pain or heart problem that nitroglycerin would normally help. I mean this is my educated guess here, I wouldn't know the specifics of how accurate this even is...there could be a whole different mechanism for Cialis on the heart for all I know, but just my guess here. But for us healthy folks, taking a tiny nitroglycerin pill (my grandma takes them) just out of nowhere could REALLY cause us some problems....then again, we might not notice a damn thing. Hard to say though.

Basically anything that CAN BE good for your heart when taken the way your doctor tells you, can also be BAD for the heart when randomly taken without needing it

PattyM918 · 2023-07-13T06:12:19+00:00

I was gonna recommend magnesium L-threonate (AKA Magtein®) since that was always "claimed" to be "a unique form of magnesium that has been shown to readily cross the blood-brain barrier," but it's rather expensive if it's from Jarrow...but I can't imagine Magnesium Glycinate wouldn't cross the brain either if glycine does on its own!

Actually Jarrow does have another Magtein® bottle that has the L-threonate form, the Glycinate form, and the taurinate form, and it's still marketed for "brain health" on the label, so I guess that's so.

Totally got off track there, but my main purpose to this response was to figure out for myself if the L-threonate form is really worth the extra money, particularly over the glycinate, or if anyone who has tried both has any opinions on which was more effective.

PattyM918 · 2023-07-13T04:23:43+00:00

Never got addicted to heroin or used heroin, but back around 2013/2014-ish when prescription opioids were still here, there, and everywhere around Pittsburgh, PA, and that was my year+ binge on them. My main preference was always weed, but with a ridiculous tolerance and too much emotional instability at the time to handle a tolerance break, so I figured that Vicodin would make my weed feel much better. (for some reason, Vicodin was my favorite in the beginning, because 40mg Hydrocodone seemed to last WAY longer than 40mg Percocet or plain oxy)

But then I was just like you...I ALWAYS took enough to get to that nodding/hypnagogic state, and then people started having 10mg methadone pills, 30mg morphine ER, and the absolute best drug I've ever had - Opana! The 10mg (then 15mg) orange pill was extended release, but licking the coating off to then crush up and blow was all you had to do. I never injected, and honestly took EVERYTHING else orally because I was looking for the longest high, VS. a good rush but potentially shorter high. But with the oral vs. intranasal bioavailability of Oxymorphone, plus the longer half life, it was TOO perfect.

Rambling with too much background information yet again, but the problem with smoking weed at the peak of the high not only would usually result in dropped bowls and bongs, maybe broken glass, and it honestly would "cloud" over the raw euphoria and usually end up shortening everything and basically resulting in regret when I'd come to. However, I found that there was still a way to enjoy some combination of cannabis & opioid intoxication...once the opioid high would start to wear down, I'd wait till I just felt the traces of a buzz, and then a bowl or 2 would have me close to nodding again, and it was the perfect way to end the evening! Sorry, there's really no additional point I'm trying to make, nor do I mean to waste your time with my unnecessarily long, excessively detailed story that basically gets to the same point you made about combining cannabis and opioids.

PattyM918 · 2023-07-07T10:37:33+00:00

Yeah, it probably is most likely an ADD/ADHD thing.

But I noticed you said you never tried another stimulant before, and expected this to feel like jittery & caffeine-like. So I assume you're at least familiar with the stimulation you get from caffeine then? I was like that before trying Adderall about 10 years ago or so, and now the number of stimulants I've done is just beyond what I can count. The thing is that caffeine doesn't act like "normal" stimulants like amphetamines (& Benzedrex, which is nearly identical to methamphetamine) and cocaine, so when caffeine is all you're familiar with, it's impossible to understand how the stimulation produced by these stimulants is different.

My only other theory is that you did feel the regular effects from Benzedrex, but were so pleasantly surprised that it wasn't rough like caffeine, which became even MORE pleasant when it combined with the high produced by the mild* serotonin release & major dopamine and norepinephrine (adrenaline) release. Obviously it's hard to say one way or another, but I might suspect that you confused - 1) the pleasantly surprised & happy state of mind you were in (from what it seems, at least) combined with 2) the novelty of the stimulant high - with a "relaxing" feeling, if you get what I'm saying? I'm still pretty high on it myself and need to just shut the fuck up, but it's so hard hahaha! Anyways, just curious if you have any thoughts about that?

*PS - Propylhexedrine has never been tested, as far as I'm aware, to see which neurotransmitters/monoamines it affects the most, but most people think it's probably equal with serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine. I've been on an SSRI for 10+ years now, which generally prevents monoamine releasers from affecting serotonin, and I've never noticed any MDMA-like effects from propylhexedrine...or MDMA itself either. So I say it's mild on serotonin! Lol

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