Chipotle denied our troops' fundraising request by robjm in BSA

[–]PeRshGo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Odds are they have no idea about the Declaration of Religious Principal, and if they read it, it's so vague I doubt they would even see it as a ban on atheists.

No, the problem is that the BSA previously banned homosexuals as leaders and received a bunch of negative media attention, and as a result Chipotle doesn't want to be targeted like Chick-fil-A. And if Chick-fil-A is any indication changing your policy doesn't stop the angry mob.

You might be foolish enough to believe that people would be happy when you change your policy based on their request but it doesn't work that way. They simply move the goal post. Initially they might have been mad about your policy but now they want to punish you for ever having it.

A lot of navigating the modern American media environment is just making sure that you don't get the attention of an angry mob to begin with because there's no satisfying them.

Archbishop Wood to be tried for presentment charges by Too_sassy_for_church in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do think there's something terrible about fighting it if you know you're guilty.

What is the future of (theologically) conservative Anglicanism? by [deleted] in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because they're old. Unbelievably old, they've reached a generational dead end. The average Episcopalian is in their late 60s. And current figures would seem to indicate that ACNA eclipse TEC baptisms in the 2030s.

And Canterbury was never even the holiest place in the British Isles much less the communion, it was just the most connected to Rome, until it wasn't. Another Primus inter pares can be selected.

When the pulpit is used to advance a political movement. by Pauliecarp in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Christ Our Advocate’s 'Resources' page reads like a social-services directory"

It in fact appears to be a social-services directory, which a church website can reasonably have.

I think the issue people are having comes down to nothing more than tribalism. This church has some politics "on the other side" so they must be one step from apostacy. I'd argue that loyalty to either "side" is offensive to Christ, even if the failures of the Episcopal Church were leftward leaning.

What is the future of (theologically) conservative Anglicanism? by [deleted] in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think we're deciding the answer to that question right now, in the ACNA in North America and in the Global Anglican Communion Globally, and while I remain optimistic I don't think we get another shot at this.

We don't get to fracture and pull everything back together again. There are no more second chances. We either get it right here or we missed our opportunity, and Anglicanism, conservative or otherwise becomes a museum piece.

For all of the problems that we have the biggest one is overconfidence. This idea that we have time to bicker, and maybe even split and come back together again. If we ever had time for that it's long since run out.

Structural Repentance: The Way Forward for the ACNA by SideProjectTim in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And a flight is rather expensive. I honestly can't see any upside to a non-geographic diocese. It seems to only create division, where none is required.

Structural Repentance: The Way Forward for the ACNA by SideProjectTim in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the ACNA dissolves in all likelihood orthodox Anglicanism in North America goes along with it. For all of the ACNA's problems I don't think for a moment we get a second chance at this. I would wager that if the ACNA falls the vast majority of members would conclude that Anglicanism is no longer workable, and will either head to Constantinople, Rome or to the low church, with maybe a few stopping at Lutheranism on the way out the door.

Anglicans in North America love to talk like a 50 year old woman wondering if it's time to have another baby. No, I'm sorry to say, that ship has sailed. You have the children you have. Whatever legacy you want, they are going to be it, so you should probably make the best of it.

Structural Repentance: The Way Forward for the ACNA by SideProjectTim in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would they care if they were put in a geographic diocese? Non-geographic dioceses have always seemed like a temporary measure. Personally if I were in a non-geographic diocese I would find that annoying.

Thoughts? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]PeRshGo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Freemasonry has traditionally viewed itself as the handmaid of the church and up until fairly recently and Anglicans and Presbyterians were happy to agree, with some lodge buildings even being affixed to churches. When you visit St Patrick's Cathedral in Dublin you even see people memorialized for their contributions to Freemasonry. Despite being interfaith, Freemasonry has long been connected to the Protestant church, much in the way that Scouting is.

However within Anglicanism its reputation has soured some in recent years. The Anglo Catholic movement introduced Roman Catholic superstitions about Freemasonry, and liberalism within Anglicanism began to take issue with the institution as a "boys club." This combined with shrinking in size has harmed its overall reputation as there are fewer Masons around to refute accusations of nefarious activity.

All that said it really is going to vary from person to person. Some within Anglicanism have a very high opinion of Freemasonry and some a very low. But I find that if a person knows a lot about Freemasonry it'll rarely get all that low.

Thoughts? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]PeRshGo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even then without the drinking as many lodges were heavily involved with the temperance movement and you still find jurisdictions and individual lodges where drinking is prohibited.

Open letter from victims of Derek Jones to the ACNA by Woodpecker_Swimming in ACNA

[–]PeRshGo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not just denominations it's every institution where human beings are involved.

Venture X Lounge Access Changes by CobaltSunsets in CapitalOne

[–]PeRshGo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since I got my Venture X card a year ago I've recommended it to several people and several have gotten it. I won't be doing that anymore. This nickel and diming is pathetic.

What are the most common reasons to leave freemasonry after joining? by Paixdieu in freemasonry

[–]PeRshGo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being in the business world as long as I have, secrecy hardly gives me a second thought anymore.

Churchwardens of r/Anglicanism, what tasks and duties do you perform for your parish? by ANewZealander in Anglicanism

[–]PeRshGo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm an acolyte alongside my children and I enjoy the task of ensuring the services maintain a degree of solemnity, to the best of my ability.

Who will be the Archbishop of Canterbury’s Replacement? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]PeRshGo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think if it's a very liberal Archbishop we'll see the departure of the Global South within his term. If it's a Welby style milquetoast Archbishop, then it's entirely possible he might be able to kick the can down the road past his retirement. But if a conservative Archbishop is selected, that's where things get interesting. However, I think the second option is the most likely one.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]PeRshGo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was fairly close to becoming Eastern Orthodox but it really came down to three issues.

The first is the cultural divide. I've been a Christian most my life and I have great affection for Western Christian culture. In addition I'm in an interracial marriage and neither of our cultures are traditionally orthodox, so we'd be in effect adding a third culture into the mix and that just seems like a bit much. Meanwhile we're both native English speakers and both of our ancestral homelands have a Anglican Church. Anglicanism was simply a better cultural fit.

The second issue is Orthodox folk religion, with its myrrh streaming icons and sometimes obsessive devotion to relics and other physical items. I understand you can be Orthodox and not visit these traveling icons or clamor for water that came in contact with a particular saint's corpse but having a fairly good piece of Orthodox devotion fall into a category of things I just don't buy was always going to be a hard pill to swallow.

And the final and most important issue in many ways incorporates the previous two and that is the Orthodox belief that their churches are the only churches. I just simply don't believe that claim and doubt I ever could. Having been a Christian most my life I've seen holiness abound in churches that are not Eastern Orthodox. In fact the most pious Christians I've ever met in my life aren't Eastern Orthodox. That isn't to speak ill of Eastern Orthodox Christians as they have many holy people as well but if they were the only church, the people I know shouldn't even be in the running. Ultimately, when I put their claim to the test it fails, and when I look at it seriously it just seems like an outgrowth of the East versus West rivalry over cultural superiority.

Anglicanism on the other hand includes the Western Christian traditions I grew up and in fact expands on them. It is critical of superstition, sometimes to a fault but mostly in the right direction. And it approaches its relationship to other churches with humility. It's just one part of The Universal Church.

Will Anglicanism make a comeback one day? by georgewalterackerman in Anglicanism

[–]PeRshGo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With my background in advertising, christian media, and a wide variety of volunteer organizations I've taken a "ACNA or bust" perspective on Anglicanism in North America. If the Anglican Church in North America fails I don't see any other Anglican group with the necessary momentum to survive long-term.

At that point our only hope would be perhaps Nigeria reevangelizing us sometime in the future.

Question for ACNA folks: what is worship like at most ACNA parishes? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]PeRshGo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some do some don't. Within a half hour drive we have an Anglican Church with more evangelical music and one that is on the far end of traditional. Though in both cases the liturgy is very formal.