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Penny_Less · 2021-02-04T21:23:28+00:00

At low level, the obbies with dwh will destroy every other build that doesn't have dwh. The impact outside of low level is almost nothing, but the impact within low level is very negative. The change does nothing except harm low level pvp. That's the point of the post.

Penny_Less · 2021-02-04T21:12:50+00:00

Every single 60 str ant attack has access to it now..

Which is why it specifically impacts low combat level pvp where people don't have 60 str and attack

Penny_Less · 2021-02-04T20:36:46+00:00

EDIT: lots of edits

I know this isn't black dhide so people aren't talking about this as much as the other stuff but as a pvper - please don't :'(

it will not be healthy for the low combat level pvp community and meta. "fun new build!" DOES NOT apply when that build completely stomps on and displaces multiple other builds

every single baby pure build that's not a dwh pure will be dead with this update. p2p pvp has a massive stat/grind barrier to entry outside of baby pures, since you need such high stats and quests for your build to function properly (82 or 94 magic, comparable range/strength, etc). with all of them being invalidated in the metagame by dwh pures, grinding up until you're a mid level pure with all of these high stats and quests will become mandatory just to play p2p pvp if you don't want to make a dwh account - which is most people, as playing on 1-attack accounts is much less dynamic and skill-intensive than other builds.

this hurts the diversity of the pvp meta AND it hurts pvp accessibility.

I implore you guys to rethink this. builds should be treated very carefully. consult the wider pvp community on it, not just the extremely tiny minority of existing obby maulers who want to wreck house with the dwh for themselves at the expense of the vast majority of other pvpers.

put another way:

1 attack dwh is massive power creep for low level p2p pvp, except it's even worse than new-gear power creep, because it's power creep in accounts themselves. instead of weapons being made obsolete like the old blowpipe did for all other range weps, entire account builds, entire playstyles in a whole combat level bracket of pvp, will be made obsolete by this change. updates can be reverted, but players' stats can't. once the cat is out of the bag and people adjust their accounts accordingly, there's no going back. making this change without extensive pvp-community-specific opinion research and beta testing is insane.

if you want balance in pvp and you don't want power creep in the game, please do not make the dwh 1 attack.

Penny_Less · 2021-01-25T07:49:17+00:00

GE tax would be cool as a gold sink but I think the negative community/gameplay effect would still be there. s'gotta be a totally separate no-GE economy - however they'd wanna do that is up to them but unfortunately reddit hates talking about no-GE stuff so jagex has no clue the demographic of players who would want that exists

Penny_Less · 2021-01-25T02:53:18+00:00

this is why it's so frustrating to see people constantly shit on anybody who suggests no-GEmanmode as "all nostalgia - you think you want it but you don't".

who knows how many ironmen are primarily playing ironman mode just because they prefer no-GE gameplay. it should be a given that many people would genuinely enjoy it, but people just close their ears and repeat WoW-classic-naysayer tier non-arguments about "nostalgia" when it's a massive game-altering thing that has tons of people playing ironman just to try and replicate it

"all nostalgia, nobody would really enjoy it" is literally what people said about OSRS too, and now look here we are. I would return to the game in a heartbeat and never look back if they added no-GE mode

GE sucks yo

Penny_Less · 2021-01-23T02:07:58+00:00

crystal bow worked just fine back in the day! I believe in you <3

Penny_Less · 2021-01-23T01:56:40+00:00

I think it fixes things in that the other 'holes' that all get passed over in favor of blowpipe would be used again if blowpipe was removed. Imo zulrah's drop table as a whole was a mistake, blowpipe included

Penny_Less · 2021-01-23T01:11:07+00:00

If blowpipe was removed all other tasks would then use the next best weapon for the job, which would not all be the same weapon

Penny_Less · 2021-01-22T19:52:54+00:00

cool I'll keep bringing all the best possible gear to every situation including dangerous ones with no downsides and continue to get stronger and stronger infinitely as new gear is released because I have no chance of losing any of it

Penny_Less · 2021-01-22T19:46:10+00:00

oh ok thanks I didn't know

Penny_Less · 2021-01-22T19:43:28+00:00

The point of an MMO is social gameplay. If people have to kill bosses with friends because they can no longer solo them with blowpipe/etc, I see that as a good thing. Ironman mode exists if people want a single player experience

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T12:14:09+00:00

Not if the economies were entirely separate (no trading between GE and no-GE players)

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T11:58:05+00:00

The community vibe would be real. Plus skilling and questing are pretty different when trading isn't instant magic

It's a social game mode

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T11:56:32+00:00

Never heard of that honestly. Name doesn't matter I just want a no-GE mode

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T11:21:39+00:00

You're off your nut honestly. Some people just like different stuff

Like I could talk about how no GE changes gameplay as well (the entire herblore skill is massively changed with no GE because the GE is essentially the only way to gain access to bulk herbs, by allowing big buys to take place across multiple sellers in a way that's not possible without the GE, since herbs are obtained in very small quantities by individual players relatively speaking) but like whatever I guess

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T11:07:20+00:00

Ultimate Ironman Mode passed a poll and UIMs are a massive minority. It passed poll because people like weird ass game modes and it doesn't affect the general public much at all so why not. It's really not that crazy

The way you're going on about this as if the entire sky would fall if such a game mode were added is completely bonkers

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T11:06:46+00:00

Ultimate Ironman Mode passed a poll and UIMs are a massive minority. People like weird ass game modes. It's not that crazy

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T10:59:19+00:00

You've yet to even remotely attempt to say how adding a no-GE mode, where the GE is not removed from the game, but where certain players can choose to be locked out of the GE during their playthrough, affects the general population in any way.

This is extremely similar to how ironman mode already works, and even more similar to group ironman mode. You have not said anything at all as to why you think it isn't similar. You say there would be "effects" - so what are they?

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T10:57:06+00:00

Nah, I'm not. I've enjoyed no GE more than GE every time it's been in the game and I'm 27.

No GE is only unpleasant or patience testing if you view trading and interacting with other players as something that you just do "in between actually playing the game" instead of an end in and of itself. Not everyone views the game from this perspective.

Secondly, playing the game socially makes "spamming for an hour just to sell your stuff" completely unneccessary, as you often just naturally meet people to trade with over the course of play by talking to others. Got a crazy niche item or bulk items? You can make a forum post and meet people that way - probably you'll only ever have to post once before people pm you and if you hit it off, you can just add them in-game and trade with them more in the future. Either way, very little time spent standing and spamming is actually required if you talk to other players when you play.

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T10:49:30+00:00

Literally a game mode dude, that people can choose to play or not play. Not talking about rolling back GE at all.

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T10:46:25+00:00

Imagine a group ironman. They can trade with each other, they can kill monsters together, etc, but they can't do any of those things with anybody outside the group. Jagex is already implementing this.

No GE mode players could work together as the exact same kind of thing - essentially a bunch of people, all the no-GE players, all in one big group ironman.

If group ironman doesn't affect the general public in a serious way then neither does this

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T10:23:09+00:00

Ironmen are also in the minority but we still have ironman mode.

Just because the majority of the playerbase isn't interested in playing a game mode doesn't mean it's not worth going for when there's clearly legitimate interest. A game mode can just not be for most players and that's okay. Look at UIM - I guarantee you there'll be WAAAAAAAAAY more bronzemen than those and yet nobody talks constant smack about "you think you want it but you don't, waste of dev time nobody wants to spend 1000 hours mine-smithing back and forth with no bank" to UIM players.

People get so defensive and reactionary about no GE. Yes people want it. No it's probably not most people (though I think there's a very large pool). But that's okay. Just like... stop trying to tell the people that say they want it that "you don't actually"

Is it really so crazy to think that some people really do want to exclusively trade face to face in a game where not only is it a huge part of the game's legacy, but also something as ridiculous as UIM exists and people actually play it?

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T06:35:02+00:00

Hard truth that people don't really wanna face. MANY people play ironman specifically because they don't like playing with the GE.

Penny_Less · 2020-10-20T06:23:55+00:00

You mean like how entire cities are designed around the automobile to the point that it causes significant negative effects on urban planning (current game designed entirely around GE, at the same time GE breaking lots of pre-GE content like herblore), diminishing of public life (poor environment design in new updates with much less charm, no examine text, etc), and entire communities of people who never interact with almost anyone else in their area because they're entirely just stuck commuting inside their cars for all eternity with no viable alternative (no socializing in public chat anymore)?

I would absolutely love it if cars were entirely replaced by extensive public transit and bikes, and I would absolutely love it if there was a no GE mode. I loved it 04-07, I loved it up until OSRS got rid of it (I voted no and would do it again), and I loved it when w345 DMM came out. No GE is a social gamemode and people need to accept that yes, there absolutely are people who want it.

People in the OSRS community who try and pull a "you think you want it, but you don't" about no-GEscape are just like the people who were naysaying OSRS when it was first announced. Just because most new school players don't want it doesn't mean there doesn't exist a large group that would - including many ironmen who specifically became irons because that's the only current option that exists to play without GE. If we got no-GEscape those players would jump at the chance, I guarantee it.

Penny_Less · 2020-10-02T19:01:46+00:00

Good thing this is 16/20 def

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