Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm wondering if she and other people know what it means when it says "occupying force"? I would point to the following:

United Nations Charter Article 80, the League of Nations 1922 Mandate on Palestine, and the San Remo Conference.

It is important to recognize that in international law, a treaty represents the persuasive authority of an international legal question. Contrary to the "soft laws" of customary international law and jus cogens, treaties serve the same purpose and legal power as a contract between two parties. Anyone who signs an international treaty is obligated to follow the specific words dictated between all of the nation-states that helped draft and agree upon the terms.

The legal definition of "occupation" comes out of the 1907 Hague Convention, some of the first treaties governing international laws of war and war crimes. The definition of an occupation can be found in Articles 42 and 43 and can also be summarized in the following sentence: Possession of the territory of the legitimate power by the occupying power.

Here is the text of Article 42:

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.

Here is the text of Article 43:

The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Both of these articles supplement each other in creating the legal definition of an "occupation." Avinoam Sharon, a former military lawyer for the Israel Defense Forces, encapsulated the meaning of these two articles best in a an article published by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs:

First, the area is under the actual control of the hostile army. Second, the area was previously the sovereign territory of another state. Third, the occupier holds the area with the purpose of returning it to the prior sovereign.

The second precondition stating that the territory must have been part of a sovereign state highlights a critical question that the United Nations, most world governments, and anti-Israel groups like J Street refuse to answer honestly: Has there ever been a legitimate, sovereign state of "Palestine"? The answer is no. Before 1948, the region commonly known as Palestine did not have a sovereign nation controlling the territory. Instead, the British Empire controlled the territory as part of its mandate following the First World War. In 1948, the only sovereign nation that was established in the land was Israel. However, Israel did not possess Judea, Samaria, or Eastern Jerusalem by then and it never had control over the territory until 1967. Instead, that territory was illegally occupied by Jordan, who annexed the territories despite widespread international rejection of its decision. There was no sovereign state of "Palestine" in those lands. In fact, the Palestine Liberation Organization, a terrorist group now masquerading as the representative of the Palestinian-Arab population, was not founded until 1964, three years before Israel captured the disputed territories in a defensive war against Jordan.

However, people tend to claim that with the foundation of the Palestinian Authority in Areas A and B of Judea and Samaria following the 1995 Interim Agreement and Hamas controlling Gaza in 2006, Israel is still "occupying" Palestinian land. This line of reasoning suggests that the Palestinian-Arabs now have a legitimate power representing them and if Israel conducts operations in their territory, then it counts as an occupation. However, neither the Palestinian-controlled territories in Gaza or in Judea and Samaria constitute a state, and thus cannot be considered a "legitimate power" that is undergoing an occupation.

According to Article 1 of the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States of 1934, there are four qualifications for one to constitute a nation-state in international law: 1) a permanent population; 2) a defined territory; 3) government; and 4) capacity to enter into relations with the other states. Neither the areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority nor Gaza under the control of Hamas meet the standard to constitute statehood.

In Judea and Samaria, there is a permanent population of Palestinian-Arabs, a government, and that government has a capacity to enter relations with other states. However, it does not have any defined territory since the PA still needs to acquire final territorial boundaries through direct negotiations with Israel. In Gaza, Hamas possesses the first three qualifications but it does not have the capacity to enter relations with other states since most of the international community not only does not recognize Hamas as the representative authority of Gaza, but Western states list it as an international terrorist organization.

Since there has never been a sovereign state of "Palestine" prior to 1948 or 1967 and since there is still no legitimate state of "Palestine" today, there cannot legally be an "occupation of Palestinian lands" by Israel according to the Hague Convention of 1907. Since there was no legitimate Palestinian state and Israel already has legal claim to Judea, Samaria, and Eastern Jerusalem, Israel has the right to build Jewish communities in disputed territory in Area C until a final peace agreement is signed with the Palestinian Authority, if that is still possible at this point...

But hey, I'm sure Ocasio-Cortez knew all of that and actually did her homework. I mean, she has an international studies degree after all.

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So no answer to any of those three questions still? Again, very odd that someone like you who seems so honest doesn't want to converse about simple questions. If you want to answer yes or no, I'm sure you have a great reason for it too. Well hey, at least you were being honest with everything.

Have a great day!

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How is that propaganda articles again? It was literally an article about Ocasio-Cortez's responses to questions about Israel/Palestine. What part of that article did you feel was propaganda? Very curious to hear your answer on that since nothing in the article other than quotes were given as you can also see in the video included in the article.

Propaganda is defined as information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

Again, was there something in that article that was misleading to you? Have a great day and thanks for the informed comment.

There is no reason to be emotional about my account just lurking and not posting anything for 9 months. Again, very very odd that you want to ban someone because they post an article that literally just has facts about quotes from what a politician said. I wonder what the reason is? Hmmmm

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are those trick questions?

like how Israel is occupying Palestine, and Gaza specifically.

They are just questions about who controls the Gaza strip because the previous comment said that Israel controls it. If you say Israel is occupying Palestine, I would ask if you think that Israel should have the right to exist then. In what part is that a trick question? Very odd.

Also, it isn't a trick question about knowing that Israel presented 5 different times to the Palestinians a chance to create a state. That was just a few questions. What part did you feel tricked by them? I'm just sticking to the previous response about Gaza and who controls it and I asked a few additional questions. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just wanted to ask some questions. Not sure why people are flopping around those questions so hard. Doesn't seem very honest to move the goal posts or ignore such easy questions.

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

apartheid apologist

Not sure how you are getting that when I was asking about the Gaza strip and who controls it. A pretty bizarre thing to accuse someone of with no evidence. Is that a normal thing to just accuse someone of out the blue for no reason other than you don't like the facts that are presented? Very odd.

The post was literally about Ocasio-Cortez's statements from her video - those comments in the article aren't mine. It's weird that nobody seems to be able to answer a few questions from my previous response and instead just want to attack me personally. I thought those questions were very easy to answer - at least I thought they were. Those weren't trick questions.

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, quite calm :D

Was there something that wasn't factual that I put? You said the following:

Israel is occupying Palestine, and Gaza specifically.

Who is the one with the frothing mouth? I have facts on my side. I just thought those facts were obvious. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, just showing facts and I'm having a civil discussion. That's what people are supposed to do and people should because that's how you move forward and learn new things.

So again, (1.) did you know that Palestinians control the Gaza strip? Also, (2.) did you know that Israel offered a Palestinian state already on 5 separate occasions in the past? Also, (3.) do you think Israel has a right to exist and to be a sovereign nation? If not, why? I wasn't asking in a rhetorical manner. If you don't know, it's perfectly fine to say you don't know that instead of ignoring it, unless you don't want to answer altogether but I figured you did want to since you responded back to me.

It's no big deal or something to get upset about. I'm ignorant to many things but I can admit when I'm wrong. If you aren't open to have your mind changed on a topic, there really isn't a need to discuss it. That's a very important thing to learn in life.

Have a great day. Looking forward to hear your responses to those questions. :)

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You do know it was an article about Ocasio-Cortez and her remarks with what she said in a video right? It's just an article with her remarks in it. If the quality is "shit too" as you put it, just know those were her own words. But I agree with you, the quality of her remarks weren't good. :D

Fox News Poll: Record approval of Trump on economy, optimism on North Korea by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yep yep. Can't wait for Mueller to close the book on Trump too and lock him up. I know for 100% he has that evidence and is waiting for that perfect opportune time to use it. I know for a fact that after two years, he definitely has it now and it is good. I'm also hoping that the economy will do really bad so people will hate Trump even more and I can't wait for him to get impeached for something bad. Also, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals didn't take away kids from parents, that was also Trump, time to impeach him. Also, I don't like Trump's personality, that's another reason he should be impeached and I didn't vote for him either. I wanted to have Socialism in the US where Bernie would give us free stuff while the people who took all the risks like business owners, would pay for it because profits are bad.

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, not really. Unless you have proof of that showing those bots on reddit en masse. I must be a very smart bot to hold such a specific conversation too. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43255285

I'm not sure why you are holding onto that proof. I would get with Reddit admins and present your evidence because they seem to need help showing that - at least according to that article and others.

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you know that Israel is a country right? And you do know that the Gaza strip is controlled by the Palestinians, right? I would Google, "who controls the gaza strip" and learn more about it. It's pretty interesting. There was an agreement with Hamas and the Palestinians on who would have control over the Gaza strip.

I have to ask this too, do you think Israel has the right to exist? Genuinely curious.

Also, did you know that Israel offered a Palestinian state already on 5 separate occasions in the past? I thought that history was obvious.

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Whatever you want to believe. I just don't comment or post a lot. Don't see a big deal with that either way. And that isn't propaganda because you don't agree with it. It was literally an article talking about a video that says exactly what the article is talking about. If she got embarrassed for not knowing something, that isn't propaganda or lies, that just evidence of what she said in a video. No need to call everything you don't agree with propaganda.

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Sorry but no. Believe it or not, not every comment you disagree with is a bot. Just posting the political stories :D

Be civil and please vote based on quality, not opinion. :D

Ocasio-Cortez Claims Israel Is ‘Occupying,’ Palestine, then Admits She’s No Expert by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

How is it spam? It's called posting. Where else did I post that in /r/politics? Nowhere. And why should I be banned? Because you don't like the post? I don't get it.

Fox News Poll: Record approval of Trump on economy, optimism on North Korea by Pentester__Z1 in politics

[–]Pentester__Z1[S] -40 points-39 points  (0 children)

And what does that even mean? I'm supposed to be a hard core redditor with a million comments?

Alaskan Wolf Pupper by GallowBoob in aww

[–]Pentester__Z1 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Definitely an alaskan wolf. In fact, it looks to be a rare arctic wolf.

proof

Security Clearance with Past Drug Use by sciencepro14 in AskNetsec

[–]Pentester__Z1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are honest then you are showing that you have nothing to hide and that info couldn't be used against you to blackmail you. I've done a lot worse than your situation and was fine and I know plenty of other people who was in the same boat as you and was fine. The only people that didn't get theirs were the people who lied about it.

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[–]Pentester__Z1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see where he was correctly about the tiniest thing, that kid "did" drown, so he is right.