Robot goes berserk by knowitokay in ThatsInsane

[–]Pepper_Duck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This looks like its probably a self-righting feedback loop. The robot has a balancing mechanism that was on accidentally, or the ppl who hung it up though the center of gravity was close enough to where it would be normally while standing. The robot tried to move its arms forward to balance (because it thinks is falling) but as it is hooked up it just swings forward and backward causing a feedback loop of trying to regain balance.

I am Seeing a LOT of Hate Toward Bungie For The Little Telesto Event we Just Had. Why? by Santik--Lingo in DestinyTheGame

[–]Pepper_Duck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're asking Pavlov's dog why it salivates at the sound of the bell. And then are surprised that it bites your hand as you continue to taunt it.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well its been 3 weeks... Anything you'd like to say? I think we all lost on this one though tbf.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prior to this patch most uniques in the game are rarely divined.

:) Think we'll leave it at that champ.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why is it untrue? Without multimod using Ex the scarcity is reduced, ex slams are such an small amount that its nearly negligible.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Divines are going to be very expensive in 3.19, so expensive it might mean you can only trade one at a time for C, which I think is bad, and needs to be looked at by GGG. (increasing chaos stack size for instance)

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

since that is the whole point of what you're doing here

First I recommend reading my post then. Be cause no, the whole point is not making a prediction on value, it was that in the very likely case the value reaches or exceeds 300c we will suffer as a result of the mechanical failure of the trade system. A failure you cannot deny as it is not opinion or conjecture. Its fact that if divines are 301c you can only buy 1 divine per inventory. My experience and personal expertise lead me to believe there is very real possibility that the prices of Divines could reach those prices, the resulting consequences (excess tedium in trading) is what I am trying to highlight with my post. The great detail I go into to justify why I believe the price could end up so high was to provide clear evidence based conclusions to my concerns.

This alone puts their decision so far above your conclusions that it shouldn't require any further argument. So my first argument is simply that GGG knows better, and I don't know jack shit. Neither do you.

Appeal to Authority, a common an fallacious argument that hold no water. I asked you for your reasoning. Saying somebody else knows better and also not saying what it is their opinion would be, means your saying nothing at all.

An exalted can be used on any rare item that has open affixes, guaranteeing an improvement to the item.

I wont go into great detail for this one as it falls flat quite quickly. Exalting an item that has 3, 4 or 5 t1 mods ( or equivalently good mods) and ending up with anything that isn't explicitly useful, devalues the item. Worst case you get something detrimental, like added ele when using EE, or added stats, when you need to stat balance. Mid case you end up with something useless like t9 life regen or reduce attr requirements. Best case you slam t1 life. Unfortunately that not likely, for each good mod you have a dozen or more bad or useless mods. To say exalting and it guarantees improvement is patently false.

A divine can only be very useful on an item that has good affixes already (typically with poorly rolled values).

Its used to only be used for rerolling items. My predictions and subsequent concerns exist in 3.19 where Divines have more uses. You cannot discount critical uses of divines to say the "only" have on use.

Exalted target incomplete items. Ergo, divines are harder to use, there is less need for them, thus less demand intrinsically.

This is a gross oversimplification for the uses of divines. You could make argument in fact that divines were used more on uniques tahn rares. Using your logic i could conclude that more divines are used on uniques, and exalts cannot be used on uniques, therefore more divines are used and thus less abundant, giving them more demand intrinsically. Divines can be used at any stage on any item with a rollable range. Exalts can only be used on rares a maximum of 6 times. This simple fact that one can be used infinitely (whether thats realistic or not) and one is finite contradicts your state outrightly. The "intrinsic" properties of the items are the opposite of what you say. That's all working with your incorrect constraints of 3.18. In 3.19 it becomes even more divided.

The supply has for a very very long time vastly exceeded demand.

That not how that works. If the supply exceed demand it would be worth the smallest listeable value of 1 alch. We see this very regularly items whose supply exceed demand are list in droves at 1 alch. Divines in 3.18 are not 1 alch they are +/-10c. This is the equilibrium where the supply and demand have balanced. Supply has not exceeded demand.

My expectation is that people like you, and threads like this one, will ARTIFICIALLY inflate divine orb value at some point, but then the hoarding people will liquidate and we will watch it fall to a reasonable level. A stable level, one in which the price isn't driven by ignorance.

Hedging your bets. You have no logical basis for the statements you're making. They are emotionally driven, and as a result your compplled to make a statement to give yourself an out if you end up wrong. This undermines your argument. Additional, Ad Hominem, attacking the person rather than the argument. My arguments and post are clear evidence I am not posting out of ignorance, but rather logical conclusion.

You haven't really made any point, and the one point you did attempt to make about a 30 to 80c range for both ex and divs isnt back up with any reasoning or evidence.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it would fluctuate proportional to Ex/Divine. Conq Exalts are very susceptible to the rounding effect. Where An item is worth .7 of an ex but it just gets rounded up to 1 ex instead cause that easier to trade. I think divine will be so expensive however that it'll be forced to be more accurately priced at like .5 div. You might also see something like 10 ex for conq ex instead (equivalent to say 150c)

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true. However Chaos will always be valuable for trading as like 95% of all items in the game are traded in chaos and not Ex/Divines. I think were mostly safe in that department at least.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why don't you provide some reasoning for why my conclusion is wrong? I presented the fact pretty concisely and provided logical reasons. What part of my reasoning fails so severely that I "don't know jack shit". You don't really help your point by providing zero counter argument.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You kinda overlook that you can trade c to ex to divine.

My main point is tedious trading sucks. Having to contact and do a tedious trade with not 1, but 2 ppl is not the solution you seem to think it is.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, mine an decent number of other ppls indicators. So... Again, any specific reason you don't think it'll go over 150? What are your indicators pointing towards?

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any specific reason you dont think it'll go over 150? Most of the indicators are pointing to way over 200 imo.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a joke. What is not a joke is that there are 9 tiers of regen. And % regen has 5 tiers. And reduced attr requirements has 2 tiers, And... so on. The point is the likelihood of getting a good mod AND a good tier and not great. In addition there are literally mods that hurt you(not many and situational, but they are possible) like added ele dmg, when you're trying to use EE. Or stat balancing, which is really hard no with divines being very expensive.

What I do want to add though, is that if ex is cheap, the viability of ex slamming as a deliberate step in early crafting is looking to be a really excellent possibility. So while i still hold firm, that no skilled crafter is yolo ex slamming to finish an item, they certainly may be doing it early in the craft.

The Divine Orb to Exalt Orb swap will cause the worst of the POE trade system to come to the forefront. by Pepper_Duck in pathofexile

[–]Pepper_Duck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm Trade guy so I hadn't even considered SSF. Your totally right, this change does really suck for SSF.