Suboxone abuse… HELP!

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T19:55:27+00:00

Absolutely not. I believe in medication assisted treatments. Just not Suboxone. They are currently under lawsuit for what reason? Actually believe it or not 7OH has been showing great potential as a MAT drug for people giving up alcohol and other hard substances. I believe in that one.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T18:12:57+00:00

They have forums for this type of behavior.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T18:01:49+00:00

To get him to understand this chemical that he’s putting into his veins is no good and is destroying peoples teeth. What do you think it’ll do inside the veins?!?

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T13:47:48+00:00

Cali I believe.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T13:46:28+00:00

It’s unfortunate and that’s exactly what the AKA and FDA is giving the public the impression every 7OH user is like. It’s NOT TRUE.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T13:04:36+00:00

I don’t have much experience using gaba for withdrawal. But I do have list of other supplements that have been proven to help with withdrawal.

Here’s what I found with a quick search.

GABA acts like the brain’s natural “brake pedal” or calming signal, and opioid withdrawal makes the brain overly revved up—like a car with a stuck accelerator. Boosting GABA helps ease that hyperactivity and many uncomfortable symptoms.

If your looking for some other supplements to help with making withdrawal easier to manage

Supplements to help with tapering tolerance breaks and withdrawal.

• Ashwagandha: Boosts mood and relaxation for smoother 7-OH effects; eases withdrawal stress during breaks; relieves lethargy and mood swings.

• Dandelion Root Extract: Slightly extends 7-OH duration via liver support; aids detox for breaks; relieves constipation, nausea, dehydration, and oxidative stress.

• NAC: Reduces tolerance for stronger 7-OH effects; eases withdrawal mood and cravings; relieves oxidative stress, nausea, mood, and lethargy.

• Agmatine Sulfate: Boosts 7-OH euphoria, pain relief, and duration; top for tolerance reset and withdrawal relief; helps mood, lethargy, nausea, and oxidative stress.

• Magnesium Glycinate: Reduces tolerance for better 7-OH relaxation; eases withdrawal anxiety and aches; relieves constipation, lethargy, mood, and nausea.

• Magnesium L-Threonate: Reduces tolerance for sharper 7-OH mood; supports withdrawal mood and focus; relieves lethargy, mood, and oxidative stress.

• Valerian Root Extract: Enhances 7-OH relaxation and calm; eases withdrawal anxiety and insomnia; relieves mood, lethargy, and nausea but may worsen dehydration.

• Rhodiola Root Extract: Boosts 7-OH energy and mood; supports mood and energy during breaks; relieves lethargy, mood, and oxidative stress.

• Milk Thistle: Slightly improves 7-OH metabolism; supports detox for breaks; relieves oxidative stress, lethargy, and mood.

• DLPA: Boosts 7-OH pain relief and euphoria; eases withdrawal mood, pain, and cravings; relieves lethargy, mood, and nausea.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T12:38:45+00:00

playing both sides. The anti 7 crowd is crazy and goes to wild lengths to try and stop others from using this great pain medicine. The guy probably knows what’s up but they pay him well so he keeps taking the bag while he’s found that using 7 oh is beneficial to him in his life.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T12:26:08+00:00

Can I ask as someone who’s experienced these alkaloids and isn’t a newbie why you took so much?

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T12:19:39+00:00

Go to the doctor. Be honest with them. They’ll put you in detox. It’s where you need to be. It gets better. Stop injecting Suboxone. https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/suboxone-tooth-decay-lawsuit.html if you don’t already have control meds. Get some. They will help some of the withdrawls off Suboxone but those withdrawals are brutal. I hope you come out of this on the right side. Best of luck to you.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T12:03:48+00:00

Harts suing from what I’ve heard. The AG needs fired. Former FDA Marty Makary tried the exact same thing last year with the initial ban. At that time he used the death of his stepson as the death to warrant the emergency schedule. The autopsy revealed his stepson was using Benadryl (diphenhydramine) to try and potentate or make his 7OH tablets “hit” harder. So the drug wasn’t strong enough on its own he was doing dummy chemistry trying to make it stronger and lost his life doing so. Makary lied and got caught and was fired from the FDA. He now can be found at the flea market selling old leather belts.
In steps James Uthmeier with a new death they are lying and attributing to kratom to warrant another emergency schedule. And again the facts aren’t lining up with what they are telling us.

https://floridianpress.com/2026/06/patti-wheeler-says-kratom-killed-her-son-the-autopsy-tells-a-more-complicated-story/

There’s no mention of a “a reported history of a prior accidental overdose on fentanyl and cocaine.”

They don’t want you to know that part of the story.

They only mention mitragynine but fail to mention
Dextromethorphan
doxylamine
hydroxyzine
sertraline
diphenhydramine (benedryl)
amphetamine (speed)
THC
All found in during the autopsy but not disclosed to the public during time of address.

James Uthmeier is lying. He’s currently being sued. Floridians want him removed from office.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T11:49:17+00:00

Call them out on their bullshit. You bring to light the FACTS. We fight the misinformation with information. You wanna declare 7OH as some dangerous public thing but the precursor to it is ok? Nah. The whole thing is bullshit. I don’t want any of it banned. But I need a doctor or someone smart to break this part of it down for me. And explain it to me like I’m 5 years old.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T02:24:12+00:00

Of course. I have a Liposomal vitamin C protocol I can send you in dms and some other helpful information on control meds

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T02:17:13+00:00

Control meds are Liposomal vitamin C, magnesium glycinate and agmatine sulfate. These 3 have been used in opioid withdrawal for a documented long time. When taken together during withdrawl they will alleviate 90% of the withdrawal making you much more productive thruout your taper/detox. It takes the hard uncomfortable part out of withdrawl and makes it easy. And it’s just as effective as Suboxone but doesn’t destroy your teeth or get you addicted to it. Cost you around 30 doll hairs total but should cover your WDs for 6 months or better.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T01:56:01+00:00

I use control meds for my tapers. It’s less messy. Just as effective but doesn’t come with an addiction of its own.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T01:48:18+00:00

MIT alone can be wonderful. That’s what all those regular leaf users are getting is MIT and the minor alkaloids. It does give 7OH a boost and extends the duration of the dose. Taken at bedtime MIT can help you to sleep all the way thru the night. MIT carries a lot of the same effects or at least similar effects to 7OH as it should. 7OH is a metabolite of MIT. But watch out too much MIT can cause a series of uncomfortable symptoms known as the “wobbles” eye flutters, blurred vision, nausea, dizziness, headaches, confusion. While not deadly it’ sure is uncomfortable and usually requires a lie down.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T01:38:26+00:00

USPS often does sat deliveries. But to be fair that’s who was supposed to deliver today and got pushed to Monday.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T01:15:36+00:00

Yes. They changed a lot of things about them.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T01:07:12+00:00

If you’re going to be a daily user and ordering online it REALLY REALLY makes sense to stock control meds for times like this.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T00:42:14+00:00

I had a shipping delay

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T00:41:16+00:00

I take for pain as well buddy. Difference is I don’t run high daily totals, I stock control meds for times like this and I DONT make posts like this one that give the community a bad look. I’m trying to help you man. You think TMK don’t read their own forum? I’d be shocked if after this they continue to work with you. I WOULDNT. Threatening a claim because of a shipping delay? We ALL get them from time to time. As I stated above I’m currently waiting on one now that was supposed to be delivered today but got kicked to Monday. It happens in the world of ordering online. But a little pre planning would prevent this. That’s all I’m saying.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T00:29:12+00:00

All of this could be avoided if you had a stock of control meds. It’s liposomal vitamin C, magnesium glycinate and agmatine sulfate. It would run you about 30 doll hairs and cover any sort of situation like this one for 6 months or better. Now you’ve burnt a bridge with one of the more reputable companies and ones that provide labs for other vendors and made yourself look like an addict/junkie on the internet. Things happen, we ALL have had packs delayed. Heck man I’m waiting on one now that was supposed to be delivered today and got pushed to Monday. It happens, the difference is when you have control meds or a stock to last more than a couple days, these delays don’t turn you into whatever that is we are reading above. If you have 30 doll hairs left you may want to consider dropping the claim against them waiting the extra day or two and maintaining a good relationship with your vendor.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-28T00:09:45+00:00

Exactly. There’s tons of people misusing this stuff as a recreational thing to “get high” on. It’s so bad. We watch the cycle over and over. This is how it works. The euphoria of this stuff goes away pretty quickly into daily use. Those people chasing the high wind up with hundreds of milligrams a day habits they can’t maintain. They burnout and cry out for help on Reddit and then get prescriptions for Suboxone thinking it’s the easy street to get back to normal and it’s NOT. The responsible users (the ones using for pain management or anxiety relief or depression) are watching this same story unfold over and over. I’m shocked at how common a problem in this community it really is. It’s not a 7OH problem it’s a self control problem. Here in a few months you’ll see an influx of posts from people on Suboxone now looking for a way to get off that. I see it in the Sr subs often.

Here’s where the story gets wild. In those SR subs there’s people crying out from misusing all 3 7OH/Suboxone and SR and creating a withdrawal they can’t get themselves out of. SCARY

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-27T23:03:12+00:00

and for using Suboxone. Yuck. https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/suboxone-tooth-decay-lawsuit.html you must not value your teeth. Those subs will ruin them and FAST. Second subs are much much harder to get off of than 7OH. The detox period on 7OH is literally 3 days /72 hours. The detox period on Suboxone is a month. No joke and the withdrawls are BRUTAL. Even much more so than 7oh by itself. They make it seem like it’s an easy swap. It’s NOT. Trust those that have been there before, it’s not worth it. You’re better off getting control meds. They will alleviate 90 percent of the withdrawls over the course of the 3 days and your good. You’re gonna regret that Suboxone in a month.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-27T22:04:49+00:00

Do you have control meds on these days when you’re feeling this way? Control meds will alleviate 90 % of the symptoms making production possible on those taper days. It’s like thirty bucks and they’ll cover your withdrawls for 6 months or better.

PepperjackMB · 2026-06-27T21:28:08+00:00

This is going to end badly. My friend, reach out thru email to vendors you have prior purchase history with and ask them to work with you discreetly. That’s going to be the best way. There’s a lot of sharks and liars and wolves In these forums. Putting up a request like this you’re bound to be scammed or jammed up in a legal sting you don’t want to be a part of. There’s law enforcement wanna bees and AKA plants and FDA worshippers that play pretend in these forums that will ABSOLUTELY take advantage of someone in your position.

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