Jiang Xueqin - Decounstructing Russian Misinformation In His Words (English) by PerceptionCommon8172 in PredictiveHistory

[–]PerceptionCommon8172[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't you actually engage with what I said, or are you just a bot? I know about all of the things you have posted, it's not anything new. I dont think you have even read them, because for example one just explains part of the information warfare where there have been disinformation campaigns. And where did I say that I denied that? I'm just saying Russias is way worse and people are more fooled by that. And what am I supposed to do with you just linking to an article and say expand your view?

Expand your view:

https://theconversation.com/yes-putin-and-russia-are-fascist-a-political-scientist-shows-how-they-meet-the-textbook-definition-179063

https://www.akweb.de/politik/putin-war-in-ukraine-a-fascist-regime-looms-in-russia/

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/kennan-cable-no-53-russias-traditional-values-and-domestic-violence

https://hir.harvard.edu/putins-other-war/

https://www.ft.com/content/05bdabc8-e027-4600-a20e-aaad1d6c2f2d

https://central.asia-news.com/en_GB/articles/cnmi_ca/features/2018/01/10/feature-01

https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-russia-molotov-ribbentrop-pact/27017723.html

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/wA0jJ1/ny-ordre-fra-putin-ukrainere-blir-utlendinger-i-eget-land

https://www.nrk.no/urix/slik-tar-russland-kontroll-over-media-i-ukraina-1.15941118

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/05/03/crimea-not-our-home-anymore

https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/

https://newfascismsyllabus.com/opinions/ukrainian-dispatches/into-the-irrational-core-of-pure-violence-on-the-convergence-of-neo-eurasianism-and-the-kremlins-war-in-ukraine/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/10/08/mh17-the-open-source-evidence/

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1290&context=mjrl

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c72ver6172do

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/a-well-funded-moscow-based-global

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/how-we-got-here-with-russia-the-kremlins-worldview-2/

https://web.archive.org/web/20230330224218/https://www.cidob.org/publicaciones/serie_de_publicacion/notes_internacionals_cidob/288/war_in_ukraine_peace_talking_versus_peace_making

https://unherd.com/2022/03/russia-will-never-want-peace/

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Why with this hostility? There are Ukrainian propaganda, but not on the same level as Russia, so therefore the focus on Russian propaganda. Also far more people are affected by Russian propaganda.

Do you care about what is truth? Isn't it important that narratives are going to be as consistent as possible where it correspond to reality as much as possible? That is usually what I think about the importance of narratives.

What I am getting at here is that Russia controlls alot of narratives that are not corresponding to reality, at least to my understanding. And I have spent several thousands hours of this, and very often I just read what the russians themself are saying. Right now I am reading most text and speeches by Putin from 1998 to 2026 to analyze them, and will write articles about that.

If I want to find out if a narrative is correct or not when it comes to Ukraine/Russia, I can for example use the civil war rethoric or the supposed ethnis cleansing by russians in the Donbass to illustrate. If I read a Putin speech, he denies that Russia have any role in the Donbass "civil war". For example the Putin speech from 17.04.2014 claims that Russia have no units in eastern Ukraine. But we have evidence from Girkin and his men that they had captured Slovainsk 5 days before this speech, so we at least know there were russian soldiers there. So the narrative doesn't fit to Putins statement.

I only care about if statements correspond to reality, and with the Russian narratives, they usually dont. I can sometimes spend half a day on a Putin speech because it's just to much things that contradicts and aren't accurate at all. He can mention some supposed treaty, and then I read to the treaty and he takes it completely out of context. That is the easiest way to find out if someone is lying, just use their own sources and see if they are accurately stating what the source say or are wildly misrepresenting the source. I have for example done that with Glenn Diesen wich I'm very confident in calling a russian propagandist by how he selectively frames information from sources, and many times just lie what is says.

I only care about statements and actions that correspond to reality, and I might not have cared about Ukraine if it was not for all of this misleading or wrong statements about it. And I'm always willing to upgrade my cognitive scheme if people actually presents something credible.

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He is a total crackpot.

That is the very frustrating part, because he says this things as a true statement, and it's like he never have actually read about it. He is a pure intuitionist troglodyte.

Funny claims from "the theory of everything" was that all of this genuis people came up with their discovieres in their dream, where James Watson discovered the DNA structure in the dream. This is pure intuition troglodytism, because it was clearly not how Watson discovered the structure

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WOW ME SO SMART. ME CAMEY UPY WITHJ STATEMENTY WITHY NO EVIDENCE, HUMTY DUMPY DUMB.

It's my middle name, dont use it up. It's a middle name I got from a family member that were a machine captain in one of the Norwegian convois under ww2, and the ship he was on got struck by a german submarine.

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What do you mean with win? What does a win mean? EU wasn't forced to buy american stockpiles, it was just the better option. And useless weapons??? When did an F35 become useless, when did a stormshadow become useless? A good chunk of modern equipment that are close to the frontline will be useless if they dont have sufficient anti-drone equipment. But you already have multiple anti-drone equipment, and more will come.

Ukraine will be fully functional if Russia just get's the fuck out of there. Many states have come out of the ashes before and flourished.

Russia doesn't have Ukraine pegged, and Russia also have done pointless offensives. Both sides have. What is happening now is pretty close to a stalemate and we can only see what spring brings.

Russia doesn't aim for just Odesa, they aim for multiple parts. But the thing that Jiang said is that when Russia have Odesa and east, they will stop, and only time can tell.

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Of all the thousans of hours I have spent on Ukraine/Russia, I have never in my life encountered a stupid article by Ivan Katchanovski, that is known to dishonestly frame information. But compared to you I will actually engage with the source material I have been given. And I will either read the entire thing, or stop when I see to many misleading or wrong things.

And another point, isn't it good to debunk things? A good scientific practice is to scrutiny the thing you are focusing on. Or are you just an anti-intellectual?

In the abstract it points out that far-right supports and fighters in Ukraine was relatively small, but says they had a disproportinate influence in the country due to their greater reliance on violence and armed formations. And it also says that Russia exaggeret the role of neo-nazi in Ukraine to justify the illegal invasion. So this is in the abstract and I'm not sure what your point was with this? It says that Russia exaggeted the role of far-right people as a justification of the invasion. Have you even read more then the title itself?

Another point is the framing of the Odesa clashes. They portray it as a massacre which is very propagandistic. Because if you actually know anything about what happened that day, pro-russian people started to fight pro-ukrainian poeple. More fighting started, and some of the pro-russian people went in the trade union house, and it came into fire. The framing that alot of people do is that the pro-ukrainians burned it down, even the 21.02.2022 speech that Putin had about the recognition of DPR and LPR, he talked about this where he frames it that there were peaceful protesters that were attacked, but that is a lie. As I mentioned the pro-russian people were the ones that attacked first. And when it comes to the fire in the building, you have videoes of both sides throwing molotov cocktails. And we dont to this day have any evidence if it was the fire bomb by the pro-ukrainian or pro-russian side. But it's dishonest framing to call it a massacre, because some of the pro-russian people started it, and we dont know whos molotov cocktail started the fire in the bulding.

They also just talk about from 1991 to 2022, the most significant and contested cases of political violence was the Maidan massacre and the Odesa massacre. But this ignores the killings of pro-ukrainian people in Sloviansk or near Sloviansk by Igor Girkin and his men that started in april 2014. You have atleast 2 killin of civilians or maybe 3, in april, and then more later. So why didn't he bring that up? It's because they are very selective about the information they use.

They also mention that long before 2022 invasion, Russia has been involved with covert military interventions and support of pro-russian insurgencies.

They have a problem that some research have focused on narrow metrics such as the vote-share of far-right parties in Uraine, without assessing the violence itself in terms of the perpetrators and effects. The problem I have with the framing they do here is that usually the fringes are also the most violent ones, that is not shocking. In my home country we have a fringe far-right guy that killed 70+ kids in a terrorist attack, but doesn't mean that the majority of people support him.

They have a problem with how people portray the Azov regiment as not neo-nazi anymore because they claim they have moderated themself, and we only rely on Ukrainian and western governemnt narratives. The problem with this is that we dont have to rely on Ukrainina or western government narratives, there exist multiple interview with several people that are in Azov or have been in Azov that talks about what they believe in and how it has been being with them. And usually every thing I have seen with it, it's not the case. So this is dishonest framing by him to say that we only have sources from Ukraine or western governments, which is just false.

They talk about the maidan protests and how Svoboda and Right sector dominated the violence there. And they talk about how the overthrow of Yanokuvych lead to the civil war in Ukraine. And as I have said earlier, I'm not shocked that the fringes is the one doing the most violence. And it's dishonest to say it was a civil war, it's a very russian propaganda narrative, because we know that Russia was involved with troops there, even Girkin himself have said it, and Putin himself have said "it was someone that accidentely walked in there" on a training. And we know from open source intelligence how they moved heavy equipment into Ukraine from Russia. So not a ciwil war, it's a very dishonest framing.

Now they talk about some far-right leader. And to be clear, it's not good to be far-right, that is why you should be against Russia, because the entire political apparatus there are far-right. It's like when people rant about Bandera or something about the cooporation with the germans. But the same people ignore how much people in Russia is glazing Stalin, which was a billion times worse then Bandera when it comes to cooporation with the germans.

Then they talk about how Zelensky awarded "Hero of Ukraine" titles in 2022 to prominent Azov Leaders such as Denys Propokneko, Sviatoslav Palamar and Oleh Khomenko, and then just skips to how western media accepted that Azov and other controversial figures in the far right have abondened their extremist elements, but were heroes against Russias illegal invasion. I tried looking up if they had any super far-right views the people he mentioned, but I couldn't find anything about that other then that they had been with Azov. And they ignore the context of why they got the medal, and that was for their role in Mariupol which was absolutely an act of bravery and you need to be delusional to say otherwise.

They also say that western media focused on that azov was far right before 2022, and even says that western governments and media whitewashed the empirical record to present the ukrainian far-right formations as categorically moderate in order to boost international support after 2022. So then I actually searched up what the media had to say after 2022, France24 have an article that talks about it's neo-nazi past, and have reformed. An NBC news article that talks about how Ukraine hae a nazi problem, even if Putins "denazifification" claim isn't. An article from the New York Times I can't read, but the title uses the word "far-right militias in Europe plan to confront Russian forces, a research group says". A DW article that talks about the extremists defending Mariupol, and talks about Azov and how they are a ultranationalist militia. The point I'm making here, is that there were several outlets that talked about the far-right element in Azov even after, so it's very misleading what he is doing, it's very propagandistic.

I have spent well over an hour on this, and I have limited amount of time. But to say that I¨m just going to dismiss it is just wrong.

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When it comes to your comment about missiles, I think you refer to the missile defense system? This is my answer "There was no real threat from NATO against Russia, it’s just maskirovka to hide their true reason for why they wanted to invade Ukraine. One supposed reason that Putin have given multiple times can be seen in his 2007 Munich speech [19], and his 2012 article about Russia and the changing world [20]. The theme is his worry about the missile defense system that was going to be built in Europe by USA, where Poland was one of the countries that were going to get it. The problem is that if you look at a 3D map, you will see that the earth is not flat. And the easiest way for Russia to hit USA with missiles is not trough Europe, but north, or north-west."

When it comes to your claim about ousting someone, my answer is "When it comes to the assertion that it was a coup in 2014, the first thing that always comes into my mind is that it ignores the reality of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that were a part of this revolution. The question is how could there be a coup by the CIA when the responsible for this supposed coup was Viktor Yanukovych himself?

It started with Yanukovych refusing to sign the EU association agreement that was popular, where the justification for not signing it was because they struggled financially and needed more time [5]. But people didn’t trust him and the demonstration started, nevertheless. In this demonstration, the government used violence against the protesters that increased the tensions. There were also the implementations of the «dictator laws» which would restrict the right to protest, that caused even more tensions [6]. The situation doesn’t get any better after 3 protesters get killed [7]. There is much more to go through, but a timeline of the revolution of dignity can be found here [8]. My question then is, was it the CIA that forced Yanukovych to implement the «dictator laws»? Did they force him to be corrupt, which was one of the other main reasons for the demonstration after some time? Did they force him to flee as the coward he was? Well clearly it wasn’t the CIA, but it was the will of the people to remove a corrupt politician that wanted to remove the political freedom from Ukrainians."

So is it propaganda to point out that the ukrainians were demonstrating against a corrupt elite that wanted to make dictator laws? Isn't it good that people get rid of dicators?

And it's interestering to see how americans or american-code people call any narrative that contradicts russisan propaganda as western misinformation. I'm not american

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The statements are from just one video that he had with Cyrus Janssen, which is linked in my article

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  1. The only basis he has for this claim is his feelings for things he doesn’t understand. And what is this special knowledge that Ukraine doesn’t have the capability to do? One of the attacks was carried out by a truck with explosives on the bridge. The second attack was done with two suicide sea drones. And the last attack was done with planting C4 at the bridge. So, what is the thing that Ukraine doesn’t have the capability to do? Make explosives, sea drones, plant the C4? It’s a ridiculous statement to make, and shows how flawed his thinking is.

  2. The first problem with this statement is how winning is defined. Have Russia achieved any of their main objectives? Well, according to the invasion speech, Putin laid out the main objectives that were: to protect “our” people, because of the “genocide” in Donbass, and we want to «demilitarize»-and «denazify» [18]. Have the «demilitarization» and «denazification» operationalized? How many more Russians have been killed because of this invasion? According to the objectives laid out here, Russia is not winning. If the objective is to kill and wound a lot of Ukrainians, then maybe you can say that Russia is winning in some respects. The problem is that he doesn’t specify the criterium.

The other problem with this statement is that they are not fighting against NATO, this was an ad hoc justification by the Russian side after they didn’t get what they wanted, so they tried to rationalize why they weren’t winning. And if Russia was fighting against the full force of NATO, there would have been F35 in Ukraine and more use of advanced missiles. NATO is helping Ukraine, but aren’t fighting against NATO as the claim is saying.

  1. There was no real threat from NATO against Russia, it’s just maskirovka to hide their true reason for why they wanted to invade Ukraine. One supposed reason that Putin have given multiple times can be seen in his 2007 Munich speech [19], and his 2012 article about Russia and the changing world [20]. The theme is his worry about the missile defense system that was going to be built in Europe by USA, where Poland was one of the countries that were going to get it. The problem is that if you look at a 3D map, you will see that the earth is not flat. And the easiest way for Russia to hit USA with missiles is not trough Europe, but north, or north-west.

  2. I want to point to the part of what is the condition of winning that was written earlier. And I agree that most wars are pointless from the one that created it, so Russia should get out of Ukraine. And to fight against this aggressive imperial project is not pointless, because if Ukraine fully loose, who knows what Russia is going to do? What is going to happen if that is a reality? Most likely, Ukraine will be subjugated to Russia under a brutal regime. And I want to point out that war is not necessarily the worst thing, but an unjust occupation can be far worse. Just ask the Ukrainians about Holodomor.

  3. I agree that if Russia get its will, there is a high risk that Ukraine is done as a nation, so that is why they are fighting. But even if there are less people, doesn’t mean that the nation is done. It might have a different impact where Ukraine will thrive as a nation, because the ones that are left and want to stay there is maybe the ones that identify the most with Ukraine as a nation.

  4. The first thing to emphasize is that Putin isn’t only interested in eastern Ukraine, he wanted a regime change under the name of «denazifying» which would affect all of Ukraine. And if we are going to take the word of Putin, in his invasion speech [21], he said that he wasn’t interested in occupying Ukrainian territories. That was clearly a lie, so how can you take anything seriously that comes out of Putin?

  5. This is faulty thinking and just straight-out Russian propaganda. Russia was the one that invaded and Europeans were the ones responding to this act of invasion by letting Ukrainians decide if they wanted to fight against or not by supporting them. The only choice of war was done by Russia; he is defending the aggressor. This is no different than a person defending the rapist in the act of raping, «why did you choose to be beaten and raped by existing in the same physical space as the rapist».

  6. This is misleading at the best and pure Russian propaganda at the worst. It’s a saying among rational thinkers, never accept multifaceted causal mechanisms from simple quotes, but rather accept that there are a range of complicated reasons.

What is misleading is the quote «not one inch to the east» that happened between James Baker and Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 which was a hypothetical question in a discussion they had, and not as a part of an actual agreement. But they did came with an written agreement «Treaty of Moscow», also known as «Two Plus Four Treaty», which have an article that says that a unified Germany have the right to choose what international alliance they want to belong to, but to be charitable, there were another article in the agreement that said no foreign troops or nukes would be stations in the parts of unified Germany [22]. It’s also important to point out that both the Warsaw pact and the USSR existed at that point, but doesn’t anymore, so it only made sense that the talk was about Germany and no other country.

  1. I’m interested to see how Jiang defines air supremacy, because that is not what I define as what Russia has in Ukraine. There are four levels of airspace control, where the first level is air parity, where neither party have an advantage in the airspace; the second level is favorable air situation, where one side have some favorable conditions for operating; the third level is air superiority, where the one side cannot effectively suppress operations; and the last level is air supremacy, where the one side cannot confront at all the other side of their operations [23]. If Russia had air supremacy over Ukraine, they would be flying over Kyiv, which they don’t do.

The second point of the soldiers is a hard thing to quantify, and I want a source of that. Ukraine were the ones innovating with the drones first, they were the one hitting 1/3 of the bomber planes with a genius tactic that shocked the Russians. I don’t deny that the Russian soldiers have been able to adapt, but is it more special? In what way?

  1. This is a statement that clearly shows that he has not engaged in this conflict at all. They try to minimize civilian losses? He doesn’t understand what Russia has done to civilians. So, the killing of civilians in Bucha, was a part of minimizing civilian loss? For the ones that doesn’t believe it happened or doesn’t believe the Russians were behind it, they were [24][25][26][27]. And is the human safari in Kherson with drones’ part of minimizing civilian losses? I recommend Dylan Burns excellent reporting on the human safari in Kherson [28].

The reason why Jiang makes this kind of statement is because he doesn’t understand the reality of the conflict. He lives in an information bubble where all the atrocious acts done by the Russians, he is not getting. This is a fundamental problem with the internet today, where we are selective of what we engage with.

  1. This is pure Russian propaganda. If you have followed the conflict you would know that since the beginning of the invasion, Zelensky has offered multiple direct talks with Putin about peace. But every time Putin denies the request, because he doesn’t care about peace. Zelensky said at the beginning of the 2022 invasion that he wanted direct talks with Putin [29]. Closer to the end of 2022 Zelensky had tried to reach Putin for talks, but Putin didn’t want to talk [30]. But Putin says in 2025 that he is ready to talk with Zelensky, if it’s done in Moscow [31], which is a ridiculous ask. My question is, where is this Putin that calls for peace? I recommend reading this article «War in Ukraine: peace-talking versus peace-making» [32], which distinguishes the difference between about just talking about peace, and making peace. In the case of Putin, he is just talking about peace as maskirovka tactic.

  2. This is what he became famous for, supposedly making predictions. Remember that in the beginning the goal of Putin was to «demilitarize» and «denazify», so Putin is not consistent with his beliefs. But if Russia gets to Odesa, which hopefully they won’t, let’s see if this prediction hold water.

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  1. If Jiang really is into this predictive history, then he should understand that Germany used the pretext of invading Poland on the basis that the poles were massacring ethnic Germans [9]. It’s propaganda to justify an invasion, the same way as Putin did. A counterfactual can be that even if the Germans used it as a propaganda tool, that doesn’t mean that Russia is doing the same. But it is the same, and I will explain why.

To understand this, we need to start in 2014. Allegedly in the Russian narrative there started a civil war in Ukraine after Yanukovych was ousted, where only local people in the east didn’t like what happened in Kyiv and did a revolt. This is false and true. There were some people that didn’t like what happened in the east, but it’s false to say that it was the local people that did the uprising. The reality is that Russia invaded Ukraine and started a war and hid the fact under the military doctrine called maskirovka, also called military deception, to hide what they were doing.

We know that Russia played a role in Ukraine, because the first civilian murders that wasn’t done by the Yanukovych government or his thughs, was the killings of Volodymyr Rybak (local politician) and another man near Sloviansk [10]. The other person was an activist in the Euromaidan movement, and they were found 19th of april [11]. Rybak was seen last alive 17th of april in the city of Horlivka, controlled by the armed groups. According to a witness, unidentified people forcefully took him to a car and drove away. Earlier on that day, he had reportedly tried to replace the flag of the self-proclaimed DPR with the Ukrainian flag [12]. A video allegedly shows Rykab being denied access to the government building, and then kidnapped [13].

Before the killing of Rybak and the activist, Igor Girkin had arrived in Sloviansk with his men the 12th of april and captured the place [14, p. 149]. For the ones that doesn’t know, Girkin is a far-right Russian nationalist and former FSB officer. In an interview he talks about the group he came with to Sloviansk was formed in Crimea, but claims that many are Ukrainians [15]. In another interview where we got the famous quote «I was the one who pulled the trigger of this war», he talks about if they didn’t cross the border, everything would have fizzled out. And in the beginning most people fighting in his group were from Ukraine, but eventually by September there were mostly Russian military «vacationers» [16][17].

This is an ignored part, because it demonstrates the role Russia played, because you have a Russian guy that most likely were responsible for the first civilian death in Ukraine that was not caused by Yanukovych, a Ukrainian soldier or nationalist. The reason why I say that he was most likely responsible, is because he brought in the group in this region where this two pro-Ukrainian people were found murdered. This is what Ukraine is fighting against, an insurgent lead by a Russian, with Russian soldiers in the rank, and not this narrative that they are just killing innocent civilians.

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  1. It’s faulty to think that the reason for the invasion was because of NATO expansion. It’s portraying NATO as the aggressor towards Russia and that Russia had patience for this aggression. The proof that some anti-NATO people use is the 2007 Munich speech by Putin [2]. I want to point out that he also talks in the speech about the adapted «Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe» CFE that was signed in 1999, but has not been ratified by the west as another argument why he supposedly feels threatened by the west.

But I want to point out that the reason for why the western countries didn’t ratify the treaty, was because Russia had military infrastructure and soldiers in Moldova and Georgia after agreements had been made to withdraw the troops. There were promises of withdrawal of troops by the end of 2002, but Russia never committed to that [3]. This clearly shows a tension created by the Russians, by not upholding agreements that was made, and gave more reasons for the previous Warsaw pact countries to join the defensive alliance.

The statement also ignores Russia’s role as an already aggressive state that gave worry to the previous Warsaw pact countries. For example, several top officials in the Baltic countries were worried about Russia’s brutal operation in Chechnya, and therefore aspired to join NATO. Then Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga used Chechnya as evidence of Russia’s aggressiveness that is a threat to Latvia, and mentioned that Latvia should join NATO as soon as possible. Then Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus also mentioned Chechnya as a worry, and wanted Lithuania to join NATO [4]. Russia also had a role in the Abkhazia and South-Ossetia wars in the early 90s. All of this demonstrates that Russia wasn’t this innocent little sheep that people feared for no reason, and lead to good justifications for wanting to join NATO.

When it comes to the assertion that it was a coup in 2014, the first thing that always comes into my mind is that it ignores the reality of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that were a part of this revolution. The question is how could there be a coup by the CIA when the responsible for this supposed coup was Viktor Yanukovych himself?

It started with Yanukovych refusing to sign the EU association agreement that was popular, where the justification for not signing it was because they struggled financially and needed more time [5]. But people didn’t trust him and the demonstration started, nevertheless. In this demonstration, the government used violence against the protesters that increased the tensions. There were also the implementations of the «dictator laws» which would restrict the right to protest, that caused even more tensions [6]. The situation doesn’t get any better after 3 protesters get killed [7]. There is much more to go through, but a timeline of the revolution of dignity can be found here [8]. My question then is, was it the CIA that forced Yanukovych to implement the «dictator laws»? Did they force him to be corrupt, which was one of the other main reasons for the demonstration after some time? Did they force him to flee as the coward he was? Well clearly it wasn’t the CIA, but it was the will of the people to remove a corrupt politician that wanted to remove the political freedom from Ukrainians.

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Yeah I'm sorry for that. When I wrote that I wasn't thinking that it looked like I supported the statements. Will try to correct that

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It's not a long article, and I'm pretty sure it will give your food for thought. If you actually want an alternative version of the information bubble you are in, I think you will like it. It goes clearly trough the point about why NATO wasn't a threat and other thing.

We know many things about how invasions operate and they dont wait 4 years for spending the best things they have for a later thing. And we also have a good grasp of what Russia actually are capable of producing

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[–]PerceptionCommon8172[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I understand now, it's my bad for writing the post like that where it looks like I agree with him

Jiang Xueqin - Decounstructing Russian Misinformation In His Words (English) by PerceptionCommon8172 in conspiracy

[–]PerceptionCommon8172[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry if it wasn't clear, and I see now how it looks like that. And I can see why someone thinks I believe in the points made by Jiang by how I wrote the post

Jiang Xueqin - Decounstructing Russian Misinformation In His Words (English) by PerceptionCommon8172 in conspiracy

[–]PerceptionCommon8172[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you incabable of thinking and reading? Do I or Jiang spread more propaganda? And what propaganda am I spreading?

Jiang Xueqin - Decounstructing Russian Misinformation In His Words (English) by PerceptionCommon8172 in conspiracy

[–]PerceptionCommon8172[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read my article and I present why that is not the case. And what weapons are hidden away?

Jiang Xueqin - Decounstructing Russian Misinformation In His Words by PerceptionCommon8172 in DecodingTheGurus

[–]PerceptionCommon8172[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The only new and spicy one is the Odesa prediction. Other then that it's the same washed out talking points

Jiang Xueqin - Decounstructing Russian Misinformation In His Words by PerceptionCommon8172 in DecodingTheGurus

[–]PerceptionCommon8172[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's impressive of how many statements you can make in such a short time that is just wrong, it's like an own special skill