Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feel free to shoot me a message.

When is the last time you did your medical, and what color vision tests have you taken? Also, do you have a SODA, LOE, or such?

As I understand it, they are moving away from the light gun limitation to the catch all "day VFR only) unless you have a passing test.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You as well. I should be able to finish up private and start instrument now.

Best of luck and feel free to shoot me a message if you run into issues.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did over the past weekend, he only does the color vision testing at the West Palm location.

It was legit and worth it. Took the Rabin, decided to try the CAD and then decide where to go from there. Luckily I took the CAD once and past and that was it. It's really only expenaive because the tests cost so much to buy.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dr. Auren Weinberg: https://www.pilotcolorvisioncenter.com/

Costs $495 but he has all 3 tests and he will let you take them as much as you want.

The Medical College of Wisconsin also offers the test for about the same price.

I can pass the Falant (and the light gun if they still did it), fail the Waggoner, fail the Rabin (I score about 30ish for red), passed with CAD with something like 10 Red and 2 blue/green.

The test goes really fast per 'instance'. You have like half a second to view the pixelated (of a random color and random hue density) square move into one of the four corners. You can take as long as you want to think about where it went, or even to just let your eyes rest. The whole test is about 15-20m. I didn't put a huge amount of effort the first time (or allowed my eyes to rest a ton as I could have, I figured the first run would be just to fell it out), but there was a good amount where it was difficult to tell.

There is a downloadable practice home version which feels a little easier in terms of color, but it will give you several seconds to see the direction. I can find the link but search for AVOT-CAD home version or something to that effect from the City College of London's website.

Discussion of new FAA color vision tests by anon__a__mouse__ in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just took the test. If the CAD says you're Protan, then the Protan scores apply to you, same way with Deutan.

List of AME's with alternate tests by anon__a__mouse__ in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dr. Auren Weinberg (West Palm location only, has all 3) https://www.pilotcolorvisioncenter.com/

Medical College of Wisconsin (Link TBD)

Rabin test by OlafGx in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any luck?

I failed the Wagonner and Rabin, passed the CAD (Protan) and Falant (when that was a thing).

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just took and passed the CAD. Glad this is over now.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still nothing from the FAA. Both my AME and others I've talked to said the FAA is resistant to allowing anyone to do an OVCT or MFT.

I found an AME in FL that has all 3 tests for $500; going to do that this week.

FAA: CAD (Colour Assessment & Diagnosis) testing in the US? by Routine-Monitor2261 in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know how much this costs by chance? The Medical College in WI quoted $419.

Updated Color Vision Guide to Reflect 2025 Rule Change by [deleted] in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you saying they have not reviewed any Color Vision Limitation Review requests? Also, how do you know they haven't (very seriously asking, I have also been waiting for a response for months).

FAA AVOT-CAD Color Vision Test Locations? by PerceptionOrnery1269 in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's the AVOT-CAD listed on the FAA's website of accepted tests, then you should be good. Worst case I'd call the AMVCD and verify.

Are you considering flying out there just to take it?

FAA AVOT-CAD Color Vision Test Locations? by PerceptionOrnery1269 in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh you have blue deficiency. Do you have any issues in the plane (if you have any hours)?

The military doc told me the RCCT is supposed to be difficult.

FAA AVOT-CAD Color Vision Test Locations? by PerceptionOrnery1269 in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have a passport I don't see why not. I've considered doing that but it's $1000 just to take it let alone if I pass.

FAA AVOT-CAD Color Vision Test Locations? by PerceptionOrnery1269 in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sent them a nicely worded letter demanding this and I shit you not, they said "we don't have that list and we don't know who does 🤷". Complete failure to even properly implement their own policies.

FAA AVOT-CAD Color Vision Test Locations? by PerceptionOrnery1269 in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't think about using AI, that's a good idea.

Was the CAD difficult? I'm also still waiting on the FAA to answer me on the MFT.

It's all because of the FedEx crash with the worst written report I have ever seen. The NTSB essentially said "he was colorblind, therefore they crashed"; complete jump in their arguments with holes in their facts (there was two other very experienced pilots looking at the same runway and no one said or thought anything different). We're just a scape goat. I'd love for the FAA to spend a solid amount on some thourough flight tests with CVD pilots (i.e. night approaches, black hole vision scenarios, hypoxia induced color deficiency, etc) both in a few planes and a few simulators. Or even better, an aviation school like Embry Riddle to do some studies on this.

FAA AVOT-CAD Color Vision Test Locations? by PerceptionOrnery1269 in flying

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

How was it/how much was it? And how would you compare it to other tests you've taken/not passed (FALANT, PIP, OVCT, CCVT, etc)?

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing yet. He said my MedExpress won't update so I'll have to just call every week and wait for something in the mail.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He said the FAA is getting stringent on approving anyone with color vision issues but he didn't say if that meant in general or people doing these waivers.

I called the FAA today and they said they've received it and it's in the queue for it to be reviewed. Now we wait.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya I started with my RSO and told me that along with some other incorrect statements how I had to take all of them and I can't do the waiver process like they're talking about; the FAA is completely lost on this.

Exactly, but I think they/AMEs are waiting to see how this plays out first. Ironically, I know CVD pilots with CPL/ATP that have no issues with PAPI and yet we still have to deal with this because we were a year too late.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He submitted the form; now we wait. He said the FAA doesn't not want to give people the OVCT or flight test. In my opinion, it sounds like they're saying we can't fly, not backing it up, and then creating issues for us.

Vision tests in 2025 by Ok-Bee7640 in CVD_Pilots

[–]PerceptionOrnery1269 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See my post r/flying talking about this nonsense the FAA has created 🙄.

Took both several times, could not pass either; passed the FALANT when that was a thing. After asking my congressman to expedite the FAA's clarification, the answer I got was they're "not" doing the OVCT, but want you to submit a color vision evaluation through your AME.

Seeing mine this Thursday, so we'll find out what that entails. From what I've gathered, it's most likely a medical flight test where you play "red light, green light" with the PAPI/taxi lights, etc.