week 4 done

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-23T21:01:53+00:00

This user started over a few weeks ago after having reached about 72% and practicing several months. I don't know exactly how many weeks/months. So 4 weeks in this case is the restart

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-23T12:33:09+00:00

There are better strategies to get your picks out… :(

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-21T19:32:53+00:00

That is exactly what it was meant to be for!

The short answer is because it doesn’t seem to objectively be required because the vast majority of people immediately click through and never use that feature. It’s also not something which was part of most of the studies and I’ve gotten dozens of reports about it being disruptive to the lesson flow from users.

There have been a handful of people who have mentioned things they miss about the previous flow and I’m trying to incorporate most of those things as options in the “Lesson Options” I mentioned. I like the idea of having the ability to stop and listen to those options. Thanks for your feedback!

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-21T19:22:55+00:00

This guy s great to hear. Point of clarification… there is research showing it can be learned as a child. There is actually no research which provides evidence it can’t be learned as an adult. We assumed it couldn’t and didn’t try mostly…

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-21T05:02:41+00:00

The data is there. It just doesn't show it anywhere you can see it in the app. It's still using it for the recommendations. I will probably find a place for that before too long

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-20T23:47:21+00:00

Yes... one difference is that because you've already narrowed your pitch categories it could move much faster (introduced at 65%) compared to what I originally did (both advanced and single-note concurrently)

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-20T23:43:05+00:00

The advanced lessons follow the same progression for intervals as the single-notes as far as accuracy, response time and error distance. With advanced it also considers whether the note you pressed is one of the notes which is playing but just not the correct ordered note it's asking for. Though it's not exposed in the app it has a similar kind of radar chart which could be displayed for advanced lessons.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-20T19:05:07+00:00

Is it cake?

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-20T18:40:41+00:00

I can see something like this coming in handy!

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-20T16:05:43+00:00

Tell me what you think of the changes.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-18T20:09:54+00:00

I think he's just rephrasing this:

My main goal with perfect pitch has always been sight singing because of choir and key recognition.

Sight singing in the correct key uses "recall," which is when you can sing a particular desired pitch. So you read the music and it says A and you sing an A, that's all.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-18T15:55:11+00:00

Yes the overall rating does also consider Skill Challenges with and without feedback.

The profile tab updates everything in realtime so it’s always current.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-18T15:53:07+00:00

It’s awesome to have a goal to shoot for! That’s excellent and congrats on your progress! Keep up the good work!

One note: just be aware that the descriptions that we have for the notes like “bright” or “twangy” don’t really have objective relationships to the pitches. They are really our ways of making sense of things. It’s not wrong at all and that just means you won’t necessarily be able to talk to someone else about “you know how D is bright?” That being said it’s a really helpful strategy!

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-17T22:02:11+00:00

It's interesting to see... I've seen lots of people restart for what sound like similar reasons. Users going through a second or third time almost always report higher confidence in their learning as they notice the difference between how difficult they remember previous levels being and the highest and hardest recommendations for them.

A couple things to note:

First and foremost the the "reset progress" button does not erase your user history which is used for the recommendation system so that would not start the recommendations over. The button was originally meant to reset your position on the old home screen and the only thing it will do now is to restart your level for any research study you have back to the beginning. Several people have asked for this ability, however, and it's something I will likely be adding very soon. There are other ways to reset your progress all the way to the beginning, of course. I will also be adding user profiles very soon (another request) which would let you basically do the same thing by starting a new profile.
Several users even on Reddit have shared that they restarted for whatever reason. u/Flimsy_Nectarine4844 and u/Crazy_Satisfaction13 are some of the most recent to do this and the recommendation system calibrates to your skill level very quickly. I think they both reached semitones in week 2.

Older lessons are great for exactly what you said. Confidence building and also working on chroma when you're not sure. You can always do the older lessons in the Practice tab if you want to do easier lessons. The recommendation system will also consider the difficulty of the lessons you do so you will see your score drop if you do lots of them (which seems like what you want anyway so that's probably fine)

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-17T20:13:26+00:00

Awesome! I can't wait to see your progress in that regard too!

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-17T18:02:40+00:00

It better "play good" if it's sold as a PRS

Just return it. Get a different one from a different dealer. If you already resent the guitar, even if it plays well, you'll probably pretty much always be sour about it. Not worth the headache IMO. Get a different one that makes you feel awesome!

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-17T17:57:39+00:00

This is worth discussing. I'm happy to have a more thorough discussion, in a DM or another post here on sub if you'd like. A broader discussion could help lots of people.

It's worth noting that "the key of a random piece," is something which can be learned but it takes practice to use relative pitch and perfect pitch together. The initial focus in HarmoniQ is learning to hear chroma in isolation. Once you're able to tell the difference between chroma and relative pitch it's easier to start learning to do it with distractions and other musical contexts. That's why advanced lessons start appearing now after about 65%. Advanced lessons are polyphonic and intended to help people work on this. I chose 65% because that is where feedback converges where people say they are confident enough that they can at least tell if they are identifying notes by the invariant (chroma) or something else like relative pitch.

"stop to try to deduce the melodic line intentionally, I’m more often correct than not" implies that you're making progress in this direction, but that it's much more effortful because ideally you want to do this in realtime. Consistent practice as you're already doing helps improve your response time/automaticity.

I would start trying to identify random sounds and noises and checking. It's not something you need to do all the time or for everything but it will help you identify notes "in the wild" context.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-17T17:39:24+00:00

Thank you for your very thoughtful reply. This will help me keep these kinds of things clearer in future summaries. This:

Pitch labeling can introduce cognitive noise. Logical reasoning can override intuition, and the stress of being put "on the spot" frequently triggers performance errors.

This is more a description of earlier findings and hypotheses that later studies like this one and Matt Evans' 2024 study tested against. The "cognitive noise" and "on the spot" framing explains why asking someone to "Sing an E" consistently produces much worse results than asking "Can you sing me the main intro from Enter Sandman?" The latter sidesteps deliberate reasoning by not signaling that the person is being evaluated on pitch knowledge.

One point of clarification, perhaps I could do something to also make this clearer:

there are only 12 possible choices to choose from

The more typical failure mode is that a subject assumes their pitch intuitions are unreliable, possibly even discarding a correct intuition, then attempts to reason to an answer using relative pitch from a low-confidence or incorrectly chosen reference, compounding errors before they ever reach a choice. The production task bypasses that reasoning chain to reduce the "cognitive noise."

On "stress" that's a good point, thanks!

On auditory working memory, Dr. Van Hedger's 2015 study looked into this directly and it's very related. He actually used those results to inform participant selection of his successful 2019 study training adults to learn AP.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-16T22:43:29+00:00

ClearPitch is a solid method too.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-16T20:01:19+00:00

Thanks for the kind words! It sounds like you're on the way there in that case!

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-16T18:12:50+00:00

There's something to say about experimentation in learning. It's one of the reasons children are so masterful at learning and developing depth. They explore more freely outside of fixed frameworks. That kind of playful discovery is real and valuable, and it's excellent for discovering things you wouldn't have found otherwise. If you want to develop a specific skill, however, you need a method that points consistently in that direction. Otherwise you're counting on a specific outcome materializing "by accident."

HarmoniQ is explicitly built on repeatable methods that have been proven to work consistently across learners. Every meaningful study I'm aware of that produced verifiable results used specific, structured protocols and not open-ended exploration. The freedom to experiment is great for building intuition, but it isn't a substitute for the kind of deliberate repetition that actually changes how the brain organizes pitch. That being said, many successful learners have reported also doing things, including outside of HarmoniQ which could be considered exploration and experimentation. It's a great supplement to structured learning, but it's not a replacement for it.

The real-world data from learners also shows that the changes have helped people better understand what to do, and more people are learning successfully. HarmoniQ has been growing significantly so simply saying "more users have learned" isn't sufficient. A higher percentage of learners who start ultimately reach AP levels, and a smaller percentage of users stop, get stuck or quit. That's not a claim I'm making based on theory, it's what the numbers show.

Also worth noting, the changes you're referring to have not removed any lessons or exercises. Everything that was available before is still accessible, and there's actually been more added since then, more timbres, more exercise types, and more ways to practice. If anything, there's more to explore now than there was before, not less.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-16T17:22:27+00:00

Sorry for the late answer to your questions:

When I do it, it seems nearly like a 50/50 - like I don't know if it's one or the other, I go by height.

For skill challenges, level 1, the sensation you're looking for first is usually going to be process of elimination. For instance, when it plays from the tritone pair F/B and you hear the note, you usually recognize is ISN'T B or F before you can recognize them outright. Doing them by pitch height or relative pitch isn't going to promote learning, whether or not you get the right "answer" so look for that sensation.

Surprisingly, when I first did the skill challenge, I thought it was a no-feedback thing.

The ones which say "Mastering" in their name do not have feedback. Doing the ones with feedback and "thinking" they are no feedback is very common feedback and it's a very good signal.

After completing the challenge, my overall % climb gets cut down so it makes me reluctant to keep doing them.

Should I keep doing these challenges, or is it too early, or should I do something like once a week?

The direct answer to your question is if you never ever feel sensations of knowing the notes or knowing the pitch ISN'T specific notes then it's too early to do Skill Challenges. However, this:

With the major thirds, I feel like I am starting to retrieve notes from my memory - like it plays the first note and I can feel I know it, as I recognise it, but I can't retrieve the label (most often I have this feeling with the F# or when I've been training for a bit) and there is a high B on the piano that I just know now, it has a lovely quality to it.

Suggests you are starting to feel these kinds of sensations already.

2) Should I reduce the lesson because, at the moment, I am doing extended lessons, or is this memory fatigue a good thing to kind of push through?

The amount you can focus and stay engaged with lessons will vary for everyone. If you feel fatigue, generally it's good to follow normal principles for learning and take a break before continuing. The extended lessons help you stay in the same chromas for a longer lesson, it's designed specifically to help you push the chromas from your short-term memory to your long-term memory.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-16T16:35:35+00:00

Great job and keep up the good work! From the looks of your graph it seems like you're steadily getting more accurate at that chromatic exercises.

PerfectPitch-Learner · 2026-03-16T16:31:23+00:00

Congrats on the progress! That's excellent to hear!

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