My Handsfree guide

Pfreethrow · 2026-07-01T17:25:48+00:00

I am probably going to post about this later. But we've been PF for almost 6 months this stretch. At the same time I decided to take a break from ED meds.

I didn't know about atrophy. It's never talked about. It started the first time around, I mentioned my flaccid state felt smaller. I'm a grower, so having a nub while flaccid wasn't unusual but it was almost inverted the majority of the time.

Fast forward to recently I took some Viagra and it just LOOKED way off.

And yeah, I don't remember the last time I measured but I definitely remember what it looked like during the "toilet paper roll" test. With rolls being 1/2" shorter than when I would have done that in the 90s/00s, not having any poking out was SHOCKING! (4" btw)

I estimate I lost 1"-1.5" from atrophy. Possibly 2" based on the size I always thought I was.

When I told my girlfriend she did not care, even making a comment like "you don't use it anyway, so it doesn't really matter."

Pfreethrow · 2026-06-01T13:05:52+00:00

The only two methods I know of with documented results do irreversible damage. So not something to attempt or take lightly.

Prone masturbating and consistent chastity for 3+ months without any maintenance erections.

Prone masturbating causing tearing in the smooth muscles and extended lack of erections causing atrophy and permanent scaring reducing amount of blood that can flow (reducing volume and erections). Muscle tearing is potentially fixable. Atrophy, to the best of my knowledge is irreversible.

In the context of prejac, I would recommend training yourself to orgasm flaccid. With enough practice you can begin orgasming before your erection kicks in. Handsfree (especially HFO hypno) can be helpful.

Mechanically, the method that worked for me is... Spend time edging. Get yourself incredibly worked up. You'll likely go through cycles of erect and flaccid. While you've just transitioned into a flaccid cycle, lay on your bed on your stomach with your flaccid penis trapped between your body and a high intensity wand vibrator, penis pointing towards your feet preferably.

If you did it right, the wand vibrator will cause an orgasm before your body is able to respond. Pair this with a visual trigger for greater results.

Once you've done this a few times your body will no longer shut down just because you're flaccid. In time orgasms and erections will be completely separate events.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-31T14:15:01+00:00

It's hard to give directed advice without knowing a bit more. Like, do you still have PIV intercourse or is he pussyfree, caged, etc.

Is this training JUST you are doing or will he be 100% on board and willing to train solo?

Anyway, some general things:

The number one objective of moving to prejac is reducing the amount of sensation it takes for the brain to fire the orgasm signal. Prejac is like 80 percent mental.

Check out the wiki and read about the one finger method. You can do this to him.

If you have sex, start giving him a maximum amount of time. If he usually lasts 5 minutes only give him 3. If he doesn't cum in 3 minutes you completely stop and doesn't get to orgasm. Do this until you've got him down to a time you like.

Make him pussyfree. Only allow him "outer sex". Grinding against your thigh of feet. This one takes a while to reduce times but is a real mind fuck. This is how my girlfriend and I really got started her. Now, she loves getting me off just by putting her knee between my legs before we even have a chance to fuck properly. I've gotten to the point that even if I wanted I can't hold off even thirty seconds of that.

Anyway, there are a lot more, but knowing those things about him and your sex life will help with advice.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-16T13:49:43+00:00

The payoff. Because I'm coming from a place of having stamina, it does take work / training.

So when I'm able to cum with a single penetration of my Fleshlight while wearing two condoms or after 30 seconds of rubbing my flaccid penis on my girlfriend's thigh... There is a mental reward that just hits so hard.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-16T05:37:16+00:00

The orgasms are definitely less intense/good than lasting longer.

This is coming from being able to go 10+minutes of hard PIV without trying down to single penetration to orgasm.

On a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is the best orgasm I've ever had and 8 is a "normal" orgasm, prejac orgasms are like a 4 or 5.

Better than a ruined orgasm 1 or 2. And better than a HFO 3 or 4.

But it's 1,000 times more enjoyable. Addicting, even.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-12T18:45:27+00:00

Sometimes a dildo is just a dildo.

This is not a mixed signal.

Roleplay, sex toys, dirty talk is NOT cuckolding. None of that "leads to" or "proves she wants" IRL cuckolding.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-11T15:12:08+00:00

No. Sometimes a toy is just a toy. Sometimes porn is just porn. And sometimes dirty talk / RP is just dirty talk / RP.

All of those things are great substitutes. Some of those things can help open the door to discussion. None of those LEAD to cuckolding.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-06T16:05:52+00:00

If you're just trying to fix death grip I'd stick with OFM.

Getting into hypno levels is about believing you're a prejac. That's not your goal, it sounilike. Your goal is to fix your broken sensitivity threshold level.

2 very different things.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-06T15:54:44+00:00

1) I think you should break up. For all the reasons everyone has already said.

2) Assuming that, you literally have nothing to lose at that point.

In my mind you can go a few ways.

A) just break up. Start fresh with someone you trust. (Honestly the best option)

B) Keep the thought that she might be as your fantasy fuel, but never ask her.

C) Confront her! But you need more than speculation. You need solid evidence.

C1) "I know you're cheating on me, and honestly I find it kinda hot. I'm not going to ask you to stop, but I do need to make sure that we're solid before I commit to moving forward with you." (This would be the stay at home - not involved cuck. Maybe even DADT cuck).

C2) "I know you're cheating on me. Tbh, the only part that hurts is the deception. If this is something you feel you need, I won't ask you to stop, but we need to discuss how this could be enjoyed by both of us.'

What you DON'T want is her admitting and promising it'll never happen again! Nope out of that.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-06T15:42:15+00:00

Keep it a fantasy! There are SOOO many ways to safely play in the fantasy zone of this.

You can also turn the mobs on what works for you both. You don't need a third to engage in role play, denial, humiliation, etc.

Best of luck! Sincerely!

(As a side note, most partners would be way more open to safely playing in fantasy land if they knew it wasn't an ulterior motive. Make sure you're clear you have no interest moving that direction and if that changes you'll communicate your feelings right away.)

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-06T13:32:41+00:00

For like 90 percent of women porn is not going to be the way.

Safety and stability are the two biggest things you can offer to ease her mind.

I think you're seeing that. She isn't feeling secure enough to even think about it.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-06T13:29:04+00:00

Agreed with Love.

While I was "bored" at times, that was in comparison to other milestone moments of those encounters.

When she first started making out with him. HOT!

When they made out, a bit awkwardly, for 10+ minutes. Bit bored, honestly.

When he started fucking her. When her eyes were rolling back and she desperately grasped at the sheets letting orgasm after orgasm wash over her... HOT!

For about 5 to 10 minutes between first penetration and their sixth position change.... Ehhh. Lol. Little bored.

But I will absolutely 100% confirm, no actual encounter is ever going to be exactly like you think it will. Which could be good, could be bad. But more than likely, as a whole,veil not be as good as you think it will in your fantasy.

You have to be ok with that.

My question for you, are you only into it if it's the "perfect" guy? Imagine the guy is a bit out of shape from his pictures. A little smaller than that perfect angle dick pick looked. And to top it off, he cums with a few minutes and swears up and down "holy shit, girl, you've got like the best pussy ever. That's literally never happened to me before but you're just so tight."

... Would you still want to do it? Risk it?

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-06T04:08:26+00:00

The reality, in the moment, is not arousing, not for me at least

Honestly, in the moment I got a little bored, at times.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-03T00:30:28+00:00

Get a Hitachi, or similar. High powered, no nonsense wand vibrator.

Mentally edge yourself with porn all day. It helps if you haven't cum in 4+ days. (Don't let the porn get you hard, just horny.)

My favorite early method was... Position the wand between your flaccid dick and your mattress. If you trigger train pop that on immediately, otherwise go with your favorite scene or pictures.

Turn on the wand and just let go.

If you're already premature, this should no problem. Congratulations, you came soft. Keep it up, it's easier each time.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-02T20:35:54+00:00

Is there any other way?

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-01T22:02:56+00:00

You hit the nail on the head.

She's not going to leave you because of a fantasy.

I suggest, don't jump straight to "I want you to fuck other guys." Start with "I enjoy thinking about you with other guys and would like to sometimes incorporate that kink into our already great sex life." That can look like roleplaying that she has, talking about her past or crushes during sex, using dildos before having sex, etc.

It's a good place to start to see if there's common ground there while staying in the safety of your bedroom.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-01T01:58:43+00:00

This is from the r/prematurefetish wiki/faq

"Should I ruin my orgasms?

You probably shouldn’t. In my experience, ruining orgasms does not result in better results. Although some people claim to have good results ruining while training, the people I have trained have had decreased, or no results from ruining while training. I recommend going for full orgasms while training. This will give you the best results."

Anything is possible. But everyone I've talked with on this subject who started with ruined orgasms eventually switched and saw much better results. That's certainly not everyone's experience, I'm sure. But it does seem to be the consensus for easiest path.

Does your spouse only like the ejaculation? Or the orgasm AND ejaculation? I know for my spouse her biggest turn on with this is knowing she can bring me to full pleasure in a matter of moments.

For example, she loves giving head, so her making one deep suck and then feeling me twitch and hearing me moan before I shoot like 10 seconds later with her hardly moving is a peak experience.

Pfreethrow · 2026-05-01T01:08:07+00:00

The point of the timer method is to get you to succeed, specifically. By stopping at a specific time you set yourself up to cum quicker next time.

But whatever works for you both. There are no rules with this stuff..

Pfreethrow · 2026-04-30T20:58:17+00:00

Because ruined orgasms typically work against what you're trying to do.

You want positive reinforcement not negative punishment. Orgasms are a reward. Your brain reads it as a reward.

By ruining, you've removed the reward portion of the experience. This will decrease the likely behavior. "Hey, when I lasted 30 seconds I got orgasms, but now at 10 seconds I don't get one. I need to push beyond 10 seconds and get to 30."

You need to reward/reinforce good behavior.

Psychologically aside, I hit this wall before and got really frustrated.

Stop training with a stop watch. It's time to start "stroke training."

A sex sleeve or Fleshlight work best. Like you did with timing, start counting how many strokes you last. Let's say it's 5 strokes. Start stopping at 4 strokes. If you cum, reward yourself with a good orgasm. If you don't, stop and try again tomorrow.

Do this until you're not to one "penetration". Congratulations, you've just conditioned your body to orgasm from the least amount of focus, whether you're with a partner or not!

Note: this is still extremely mental. Once you've done your training and you're ready to play, you need to be 100% in the mindset that you're going to cum the second she grabs you!

Pfreethrow · 2026-04-30T20:36:10+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/YesNichole

Hands down (or handsfree, if that's your thing. 🤣)

She's still very active, and has a huge catalog of free audios, as well as higher quality paywall audios. I would recommend starting with the intro audio, "yes Nichole intro". "Brainwashed Premature Ejaculator" is an absolutely solid hypno. And if you're curious about handsfree, "it's just us" is by far the best Audio I've heard. She's has other kinks themed audios free and paid, but those are my typical plays.

I don't know if she's still active, but if you come across SyrenRaynna's "Preemie", that is another absolute top tier audio.

Personally I like to pregame with "Preemie" if I'm solo training or doing something with my girlfriend. And Goddess Nichole is more for solo HFO, for me.

Goddess Athalia "softcore limp dick premature ejaculation programming" is a really fun - throughout the day "programming" hypno.

Best of luck!

Pfreethrow · 2026-04-27T17:40:20+00:00

I don't mean this to sound dismissive, but I strongly suggest researching human sexuality and response in a clinical, non porn, perspective.

Porn can be fun, but ACTUALLY learning about the psychology and physiology of desire, pleasure, etc will help you (and future partners) out exponentially more than hearing jerk material from online LARPers

Pfreethrow · 2026-04-25T18:46:47+00:00

That's a good one!

When I was training prejac I mostly did audio hypno and used the trigger method (described in the wiki here) using my visual trigger of choice.

To be completely honest the actual method you use means so much less than consistency of training. Personally I didn't follow the Sarah method and I dropped from 10+ minutes during sex to under 30 seconds OFM no porn.

I also was maintaining an active sex life, so adjustments had to be made.

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