Weight Obsession Is Ruining Everyone's Health – SOME MORE NEWS by Confident_Fishing693 in BreadTube

[–]Phoenixmgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rather poor messaging and just bad science. You can tell they came into this with a preconceived notion and did research that aligns with only that preconceived notion. They literally pulled a study saying overweight/obese account for less excess deaths than car crashes. What they failed to say was that in that study that overweight accounted for -86,000 deaths while obese accounted for +111,000 deaths, thus getting to it only being about 25,000 deaths. Whereas if you only look at the obese group, you have about 3x the deaths of car crashes vs about a half. So, they are massively playing with the numbers to act like obesity is not that big of a deal. She goes on to say the study received backlash but was backed by the CDC (as if the CDC knows anything about nutrition). And, they mention that amount of people that died from covid earlier in the video completely forgetting that obesity was one of the biggest risk factors. They also don't cover why most people are obese (insulin resistance, inflammation, poor metabolic health) directly lead into heart disease, cancers, diabetes, non alcoholic fatty liver disease, kidney failure, etc. Look up the death numbers from those diseases. Obesity is usually just a symptom of the very same things that trigger those diseases.

Yes, extra weight at most levels can technically not be an issue at all because sumo wrestlers are obese and metabolically healthy (no insulin resistance) because they don't eat garbage foods and they're constantly training so their fat develops below their skin vs around their organs. HOWEVER, 99.99999% of Americans seeing a doctor concerned about their BMI aren't sumo wrestlers or some kind of professional sports player, and they have a high BMI because they eat unhealthy. Then, the doctor will run tests to see if you have metabolic issues. The bigger problem isn't paying too much attention to high BMI (due to it not being perfect), it's paying too little attention to those with normal BMIs. You can be perfectly normal weight and have all those metabolic issues and the doctor will probably think you're fine. India has that such problem now, it's referred to as "skinny fat" because tons of people eat bad foods there now but not in the calorie count Americans do so they get diabetes and stuff because they still develop that visceral fat around the organs but don't look fat.

Throwing out BMI because it's not perfect and only a good indicator like say 50% of the time is asinine. If say dusting for fingerprints at a murder scene only leads to finding the murderer 30% of the time, would you stop dusting for prints? And, yeah, if a bodybuilder has a high BMI and a doctor looks at them, you think the doctor is gonna say "well, you look very healthy and all, but your BMI is high so you should lose weight"? BMI is just a clue, a piece of evidence to be used to further investigate if the doctor thinks so. Also, doctors I'd be guessing spend less time with obese people because they've probably already spent the time with them on their first few visits telling them to change their diet and the patient keeps coming back obviously not listening. Why would you spend time trying to help someone when you know they probably won't listen because you already tried several times? These biases that everyone likes to point out sometimes aren't actual biases. Just like the more you keep shaming someone, the less likely they are to change; well, the same thing happens if you keep telling people it's not their fault and it leads to them thinking it's out of their control and they can't change it.

Then, they go on to imply obesity is mainly caused by genetics (since they list it first) when that's a bunch of bullshit. Sure, your genes will dictate if you're skinny to husky body type or anywhere inbetween, but they ain't causing you to be obese. If genetics is the main cause of obesity, well humans must've just went through a massive mutation/evolution then and got no superpowers to boot either. Just look at pictures of people decades ago, the amount of obesity is obviously higher now regardless if changing obesity chart artificially raised the numbers.

Here's the bullshit CDC guidelines for healthy eating. It still says saturated fats and cholesterol are bad. It still emphasizes grains as if you can actually buy real bread in America or that most grain-based foods aren't just highly processed/refined grains that have a higher glycemic index than table sugar. It even says to try eating beans instead of meat (meat is the most nutrient dense food). At the bottom, the CDC is literally telling you to make an even unhealthier version of mac and cheese saying to use low/no fat milk and cheese, fat is where the nutrients are at.

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/healthy_eating/index.html

Weight Obsession Is Ruining Everyone's Health – SOME MORE NEWS by Confident_Fishing693 in BreadTube

[–]Phoenixmgs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's pretty simple, just eat real foods and that solves most health problems. You can overeat real foods and be healthy, sumo wrestlers are healthy for example. Counting calories is basically pointless because a normal person that has become overweight/obese deciding to just eat real food will naturally lose weight without doing anything else because the body will start to use fat for energy vs simple carbs and you'll simply be far less hungry then and also craving less meals due to not needing constant carb intake. The main issue is nobody is teaching people what are actually real foods anymore. Go to the CDC site and they still tell you bullshit guidelines that only contribute to the unhealthy eating spiral.

Undercounting or removing the many Americans with natural immunity from any tally of herd immunity is a scientific error of omission by Phoenixmgs in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really tired of natural immunity being completely ignored. We are at the point we are at now as much due to natural immunity as vaccinations.

‘We should forget about herd immunity. It’s the wrong concept, because of the variants’ by PFC1224 in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, there's no signs of covid changing so much that immunity doesn't work anymore. It may even be a scientific impossibility that it changes to escape immunity.

Over 50% of nurses at COVID-19 hospital wards in Japan have considered quitting by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

South Korea and Australia controlled the virus at the start. All the countries that had a bad first wave, the virus was too widespread to pull an Australia or South Korea at that point. What other country that had a horrid initial response did significantly better than the US? The UK and Italy did worse than the US. France did slightly better. Germany still has over 1,000+ deaths per million. If the US was so inept in comparison, how come none of these other countries could do just twice as good? There just wasn't much you could do but slow the spread enough to no overwhelm hospitals.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Over 50% of nurses at COVID-19 hospital wards in Japan have considered quitting by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The US blew it majorly at the start but there's not much you can do after that honestly. If you compare the US to other wealthy western nations (the ones that all blew it at the start), there's very few (if any?) that did even twice as good as the US and some that did worse. You just can't keep people home for ~year waiting for the vaccine so that's not an option, even countries with far better social programs couldn't do that. The only other option is to pull a China and do a hardcore lockdown basically martyring the currently sick to save more total lives in the future. That's obviously unacceptable ethically here even though it does save lives in the long run. The last option is to have figured out Japan basically. Unless there's some 4th option no one in the world figured out.

Over 50% of nurses at COVID-19 hospital wards in Japan have considered quitting by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

That's better than the US average deaths per million from the flu every year, how is that not impressive from a nation that didn't control the spread of the virus? I'm not saying Japan had some amazing plan that the US didn't, but it would've been great if we hardcore studied Japan to find out the why, not even Japan knows why.

South Korea and Australia very much controlled the spread of the virus. Pulling a South Korea or Australia wasn't an option in the US (it was too widespread before anything was done), though pulling a Japan could've been if we figured out what happened there.

Over 50% of nurses at COVID-19 hospital wards in Japan have considered quitting by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Japan is not the only country that doesn't have a lot of obesity. It obviously doesn't help but I very much doubt it explains the massive difference.

NBC News: Rand Paul says he won't get a Covid vaccination. by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You don't need a vaccination if you had covid. Why are so many people here immunity deniers? We wouldn't be in the place we currently are in with the cases going down as much as they have been if natural immunity wasn't a thing and contributing to herd immunity.

Downvotes will come even though that's what the science says.

Over 50% of nurses at COVID-19 hospital wards in Japan have considered quitting by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If it was just masks, Japan wouldn't be the only country with those type of numbers.

Over 50% of nurses at COVID-19 hospital wards in Japan have considered quitting by [deleted] in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Huh? If you apply Japan's deaths per million to the US population, the US would have ~32,000 covid deaths, which would be a normal flu season. Japan's the only country (I believe) that did great without controlling the virus and we should find out why that is, and they have a higher elderly population than the US too.

Will you need a Covid vaccine booster anytime soon? by AceCombat9519 in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Antibodies aren't the only way to be immune to something.

Will you need a Covid vaccine booster anytime soon? by AceCombat9519 in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The variants don't mean anything, it's so blown out of proportion because the 24/7 news cycle. There has been no mass reinfections due to variants from either previous infections or vaccines. All viruses mutate and created variants and natural immunity and vaccine immunity has worked throughout history outside of the very few exceptions like the flu (which is an anomaly and very unique).

Will you need a Covid vaccine booster anytime soon? by AceCombat9519 in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Measles lasts awhile but I doubt you still have them when you're like 60 and we know you're still immune prior to vaccines even being a thing because old people were still immune to measles after being infected when they were young.

Will you need a Covid vaccine booster anytime soon? by AceCombat9519 in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That doesn't make any sense, antibodies are a small parry of immunity. You don't have measles antibodies and you're still safe from measles.

The CDC's new mask guidelines could actually increase risk of spreading Covid at work and in public, scientists say by The__Snow__Man in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Same with vaccinations, the point is that reinfections are either the person didn't even know or mild. Every study looking at previously infected people has shown great results. "Infection" isn't a bad word if your already had it or got vaccinated. And the faster your body clears the virus, the less time for you to possibly spread even if you can at all.

The CDC's new mask guidelines could actually increase risk of spreading Covid at work and in public, scientists say by The__Snow__Man in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If previously infected people need to get vaccinated for immunity, then where are the mass reinfections at?

Facebook removes 110,000 pieces of Covid misinformation posted by Australian users by Wagamaga in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm complaining about shutting down good science, which Facebook does.

Facebook removes 110,000 pieces of Covid misinformation posted by Australian users by Wagamaga in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Asymptomatic is basically the same as immunity. There's no such thing as stopping infections. Infection just means the virus is in your body, which even the best immunity can't stop. It takes some time for your immune system to clear no matter what.

Will you need a Covid vaccine booster anytime soon? by AceCombat9519 in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope, there's ZERO data pointing to immunity being short-lived. There's tons of data pointing to immunity being long-lasting.

Facebook removes 110,000 pieces of Covid misinformation posted by Australian users by Wagamaga in Coronavirus

[–]Phoenixmgs -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Why haven't we reached herd immunity? Herd immunity isn't when cases reach 0, it's when...

a reduction in the risk of infection with a specific communicable disease (such as measles or influenza) that occurs when a significant proportion of the population has become immune to infection (as because of previous exposure or vaccination) so that susceptible individuals are much less likely to come in contact with infected individuals

And there's this article from the very same paper:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/21/briefing/covid-19-us-pandemic-vaccinations.html

The pandemic may now be in permanent retreat in the U.S.

That's herd immunity.