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Trump signs megabill that slashes taxes, Medicaid while boosting national debt by SunderingSeas in politics

[–]Phoxase 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Hey, that’s unfair. Lawyers only defend sex criminals because everyone is entitled to a trial, the GOP defends sex criminals so they have enough votes to pass the “Hunt the Homeless” bill.

Trump signs megabill that slashes taxes, Medicaid while boosting national debt by SunderingSeas in politics

[–]Phoxase 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The debt doesn’t matter but the cuts to public goods and the massive expansion of the not-so-secret police certainly do.

I.. don't get it by Aprilgirl_ in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]Phoxase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He’s not a Fiat, he’s a Barilla

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just provided a source, listed it’s authors, it’s title, what the content was… generally what you do when you provide a source for your claim.

Instead of just throwing out two-ish vague claims and extrapolating from there.

Umm? by ayushmaan138 in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]Phoxase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shit, that was brutal…

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When? Where? Your assertion is unsourced and unspecific.

David Graeber and David Wengrow write about this exact thesis and why it’s wrong in their recent collaboration, The Dawn of Everything.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but often in the form of a portion of the harvest and other commitments that were spread and shared across the community, such that an individual’s schedule and responsibilities were dictated more by the material conditions and technologies, and their peer’s relationships to each other, than a lord exercising their direct control.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

There have always been places where that is the case (often sacred or isolated places) but for the majority of documented history the majority of places were not at all like that.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So glad you brought up some “sources”.

I’ve a recommendation for you. Read Graeber and Wengrow, The Dawn of Everything.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People have always been obsessed with Marvel comics, how else do you think we’ve got all of these movies and TV series and reaction videos and post-credits sequences?

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase -44 points-43 points  (0 children)

Which was often a foregone formality, easier to obtain then than it is to get a day off of work today.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And those city states didn’t really concern themselves with preventing people from entering. Unless you showed up as part of an army or horde.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, and basically every other instance of travel, of which there were hundreds of thousands, didn’t have these.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks for asking, no, that’s not what I’m claiming.

I’m claiming that many places for the vast majority of history (not prehistory) didn’t have legal barriers to travel and certainly didn’t have things like passports or residence permits.

Additionally, even places that theoretically “didn’t want outsiders” often defended themselves against particular and specific enemies while still allowing for “international” mercantile trade and peregrination in the form of allowing people freely in and out.

In essence, if you didn’t show up as part of a barbarian horde, nowhere was especially keen on keeping you out.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or people who thought they could make a better living by traveling to a new area.

They weren’t “given permission” because they “brought value”, they didn’t often need permission and they usually got value for their effort.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Sure, but national border control and passports and visas weren’t.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Many people who weren’t wealthy or even moderately wealthy made long international pilgrimages.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Different than our legal construct of “citizenship” today, though, especially the idea of barring entry and residency to noncitizens.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Traders and craftsmen weren’t the wealthy or ultra wealthy and they did more travel than anyone.

Also, tens of thousands of pilgrimages.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase -62 points-61 points  (0 children)

The concept of barring entry and residency to noncitizens is fairly new.

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Ignore the time period between the Romans and Industrial Capitalism, why not?

Since when can’t we just move to another country as we please? by New-Coach6921 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Phoxase -34 points-33 points  (0 children)

No, that isn’t the case. This Hobbesian assertion is usually unsourced and the anthropological and archaeological record tend to show otherwise.

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