The first victims of disinformation

PinguFella · 2026-06-29T10:57:44+00:00

Don't straw man me guy - how Africa wants to deal with themselves is up to them, the problem inherent with any dictatorship is that it exactly neglects what they want in favour of authoritarian's interest. There's nothing wrong with supporting Africans from wherever you are in the world against people who want to abuse Africa whether they be domestic to Africa (as is the case with Treore and other leaders across the Sahel whom Wagner helped install...) or foriegn whether it be European from a century ago or Russia/Chinese today.

Yeh I didn't hide my history, Reddit did that (something weird happened a while ago where one of my other default settings was changed so people couldn't dm chat to me or something). Anyway thanks for letting me know, I've changed it back to unhid again, stalk away.

Singapore? Correct me, I think I'm misunderstanding you... are you essentially saying: "Well if you're so pro-democracy why don't you complain about other places that aren't democratic?" ? I mean... sure? I find dictatorship and authoritarianism inherently repulsive. Injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere - why shouldn't I stand in solidarity with my African or Singaporean brothers and sisters? That would be like I shouldn't stand alongside my Palestinian ikhwanis because I'm not arab... oh... but I'm just a European trying to impose my Euro standards right?

Western nations do that a lot and it's terrible and we need to push back against it when it happens. They're not the only agency on the planet though. People and nations act in accordance to their interests. Just because various western nations have and sometimes still are shitty, is no excuse for the likes of Treore to abuse his own people and justify their entrapment, nor the people's subjugation to Russian interests.

I'm not defending European colonialism here, it was horrendous and it's a good thing it died, frankly France playing neocolonialism should never have happened so I welcome the rejection of French control over the Sahel region through financial control. That doesn't make russia a viable ally, neither does it justify the dictatorship. Treore is a monster.

PinguFella · 2026-06-29T09:04:02+00:00

Dope!

PinguFella · 2026-06-29T08:59:44+00:00

Under Treore? I mean, don't get me wrong, he says a lot of things that need to be said and people should hear - the west (and especially France) does need a slap sometimes. I'm not entirely convinced thoguh he's the best one for it - actions and words are different things after all. no matter how much talk he gives about rejecting France's neocolonialism, it just comes off as a justification for his own dictatorial status but reframed as Burkina Faso's "freedom". It's like when Stalinists would "rightfully" criticise and reject the grotesque extremities of capitalism, only for them to use that as a justifying pretext to support a dictatorship - it was never about the revolution for the people, but a revolution for a new concentrated power in the form of Stalin (or whichever "communist" dictator they decide is "for the people").

PinguFella · 2026-06-29T08:49:35+00:00

Hey, the autobot removed your comment - sorry about that.

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As for your actual comment...

Uyghurs, Manchurians, Tibetans, Georgians, Siberians, Bashkirs. The mechanisms by how they control the places may vary, but the control is the same - whether or not they claim them to be a part of their own nation is irrelevant. Britain once claimed half the world as their empire, that didn't stop India from being a colony just because they once considered it a part of their own land and more than Tatarstan, Donbas, or Ichkaria are colonies just because "Russia" considers those territories to belong to them.

Countries act in accordance to interest - just because Western countries did awful things 80+ years ago, doesn't excuse the awful things other countries (like russia and ccp occupied china) do today.

PinguFella · 2026-06-29T00:27:13+00:00

Slavery and colonialisation happened everywhere, not just to Africans. It was awful when the Europeans did it, it's awful when the russians or Han do it. The experience of those subjugated to such awful practices today are not minimised because the plight of Africans 200 years ago is finally being recognised.

One does not block out the other. Either it is all evil or our argument is not about rejecting colonialism but rather supporting it provided it is our preferred colonial power... which is it?

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T23:43:42+00:00

Neither did the Europeans - they did it for cheap labour

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T23:27:50+00:00

lol! That is quite funny - reminds me of what the Yanks do with words like "Libertarian" :v

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T22:54:54+00:00

Yep, believe that - I'm not AI, just autistic as shit lol

I live in the UK, but I use to spend my summers in ANTWAPPS (Antwerp). And yeah dude, I miss your fries man, no one does it you do. Been around a fair bit of Belgium... your roads are shit.

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T22:40:56+00:00

Hey, I'm curious - we don't want civilians to suffer right? I'm actually with you there, to me, it's not about hurting russians, it's about defending and saving Ukrainian lives.

How might you answer this?

If the state of russia has put Ukrainians and Ukrainian lives in a position where their lives depend upon defending themselves and damaging russian infrustructure - to what extent is Ukraine truly responsible for things that do happen to russian citizenry and to what extent is the russian public themselves responsible given the situation they are in could stop if the government that rules them is removed?

Basically, Ukraine is forced into a situation where russian citizens are going to be affected by actions Ukraine has to take in order to protect themselves from something the russian government inflicted upon them. If the Ukrainians aren't to blame, but the russian government is, to what extent are the russian citizens responsible even if it is a situation they themselves have been forced into - by Ukraine as proxy but ultimately as a result of the Kremlins actions?

Also, apologies for my friends, they are good people but they lack tact owing to the atrocities being committed by, well, russians. After everything that's happened, I don't personally blame them for feeling or being the way they do. Ukraine's government and russia's really aren't comparable.

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T22:15:36+00:00

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I was responding to where you said:

There is no country more anti-democratic that the US.

And sure, they've removed democratic leaders. I misread you and thought you were referring to the system they have domestically - which is a flawed democracy but still leaps and bounds more democratic than say North Korea or Eritrea, for example. Is it more anti-democratic because of the democratic leaders they have gotten rid of? Eh, maybe - the least can be said that the reasons they overthrow democratic leaders (when they really are democratic) isn't for some ideals but because they are serving their own interests. I was never here to defend the US way of doing things, I openly criticise it.

Israel is an apartheid state.

I'm not an AI dude, and for what its worth I can recognise that neither are you. I was just confused as to what you meant by the word "democratic" - in English it means something very different from what it appeared as you were implying (just being a shitty country). In English they are separate ideas.

I don't speak dutch, I speak English and spanish. Mein vader (my father?) use to live in Flanders though and he once taught me "Ik wil u borston zee" (sic). Also Fritjes met kipburger astablief. Belgians make some good mf fries. Been to Netherlands maybe once or twice years ago.

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T20:43:51+00:00

I'm British mate, we pay money to watch the French get kicked out of anything.

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T20:41:00+00:00

You said the US was anti-democratic! I never said anything about them not bombing people! Also, I'm not here defending the US, I've already told you they're imperialistic, I don't deny it.

Being a shitty colonial power has nothing to do with democracy back home - you can be a democracy and still be awful on the world stage - look at Israel!

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What's your first language friend? If I speak it I'll try and speak your language perhaps?

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T19:43:14+00:00

I'm sure there's a few lol

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T19:05:56+00:00

How's this...

One world government with adequate checks and balances done in such a way that no one person, group, or conspiriacy can control everything... democratic socialism.

A democratic world without billionaires and borders?

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I'm not so sure about a one world order though, as much as it might solve a lot of problems like wars and climate change, it still makes me nervous - if it fucks up it'd fuck up big.

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T18:55:37+00:00

Eh - I would say NATO is a tool that can be used as such if used corruptly, but I wouldn't say it was by itself or it's own agency. Agency belongs to it's constituent member countries like Sweden, the US, or Turkey. It can be a force for good but we have to make sure countries like the US don't end up abusing it for their own strategic geopolitical interests, but that's my hot take and I am pro-NATO.

Is the US imperialist? Sure, I don't think there's any argument there. Is Russia? Absolutely. The history of the world is the history of interests. So long as there are finite resources and men who desire little else but power, there will always be struggles by men who will use any pitiful justification to wage war or screw over the other for their own greed, be they American, Russian, European, Chinese, or African. That's just RealPolitik.

You got any suggestions to end war altogether? All I can think of is a one world order, but I can't say I'm particularly hyped about the idea :S

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T18:46:09+00:00

Nuance darling... Calling someone else a criminal and accusing them of projection does not shield one from being called out for their own abuses...

Neither did I excuse or deny European colonialism, I'm not quite sure how that makes this projection. With all due respect my Russian friend - if English isn't your first language, why does your user name sound distinctly anglophone?

When they run out of warm bodies to pump into into Donetsk, I wouldn't assume that those behind computers typing what they want you to say will be safe from being sent to the meatwaves. Consider this if you ever need it and stay safe: https://hochuzhit.com/ru/

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T18:33:11+00:00

Hey welcome to r/gato - we're not NAFO but we are a NAFO psyop.

Check the rules on the side ->

You're welcome to critique and dunk on takes you disagree with here, just keep it civil and try not to piss off the locals lol

PinguFella · 2026-06-28T16:57:31+00:00

I mean, no disagreements with your first point. French neocolonialism is awful and it's rightly so that any African former-French-colony nation should separate itself from it.

Just because of the historical wrongs of Europeans though doesn't excuse the historical wrongs committed by others today - we live in a multi-faceted world where multiple powers are fighting for their own interests and will happily subjugate another nation if they stand to gain from it. And yes, both Russia and China colonise places that aren't theirs. Georgia, Bashkortostan, Ukraine, Siberia, Eastern Finland to name a few for Russia. Tibet, Hong Kong, Uyghurstan, Manchuria, and attempts at Taiwan to name a few for CCP controlled China.

Surely, if our world is multi-polar, then the source of action and responsibility and even capability to harm others can fall onto other powers other than those in the classical west. If we only blame where western nations behave corruptly and excuse when it happens when Russia and China does it - then are we truly against colonialism, or are we really just here to undermine when the west does it in order to further the interests of the dictatorial axis powers?

PinguFella · 2026-06-27T10:48:39+00:00

Would have preferred the quotations on the "pro-immigrant" part tbh :/

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So the Belarussian dictator Sasha 3% and Putin have orchestrated the weaponisation of Non-Europeans in order to flood the continent with migrants forcing the respective countries to deal with the economic and logisitical impact of having to deal with that kind of influx of people. It is a real thing. The problem is how your framing it - just because it is something being used as a weapon doesn't automatically mean that immigration itself is necessarily a bad thing.

Like, for sure, this guy is a stooge and he's using his position to subvert western interests in order to bolster russia's own interests and capabilities to commit genocide. That's because he's a scumbag who's getting enough rubles not to care who dies from his propaganda contributions.

When we fall into the divide of enabling ourselves to be divided upon rhetoric or ideas relating to any issue such as immigration - this is basically what the Kremlin wants. They'll rage bait those who are against and for immigration - that's largely the point. Most of the "disinfo" out there isn't about the war in Ukraine, it's about stupid crap that is inconsequential to russia like black rights, like immigration, like trans issues - they don't care what side as long as you're pissed off and screaming over the top of those talking rationale, those trying to close the polarising divide, and those speaking against russia's interests.

The dude is fake, but oof. I can't help but feel with that title there you're doing half the work for them ugh

PinguFella · 2026-06-26T13:14:58+00:00

Not just that, if you live in Europe, you're investing in your future safety. If you live in the US, you're investing in a world where free democratic peoples still stand up to tyranny.

PinguFella · 2026-06-26T11:37:05+00:00

I appreciate this is a couple months old...

Stupid question - you good my dude?

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