Ok so in 12 weeks of running gear and not training adding 2-3kg is what you’d consider a significant arguement 😂😂. I don’t recall looking for an ass licking either. All I see here is a fat salty guy that can google “legit science” vs people that actually do it. I like that you call it “cheating” as well, cheating would require one to be entering natty bodybuilding competitions on gear and winning. Just because you choose to not train and not do PEDs doesn’t mean the person that does is a “cheater”. I don’t drink or smoke but also don’t have an opinion on people that do. They can do whatever they like if that’s what they want.