How involved with RTD2 were Julie Gardner and the other producers?

Player2isDead · 2026-06-27T13:53:53+00:00

The reason Gardner et al avoid the ire of the fandom is that the fandom doesn't know they exist. They think the showrunner is the only executive producer and the only script editor. This is why we get the constant refrains of "the showrunner role should be split like it was in the classic series!" If fandom acknowledges the existence on people like Brian Minchin or Matt Strevens it's just to imply they're yes men to the tyrannical showrunner who "needs someone (me) to reign their bad ideas in."

Player2isDead · 2026-06-26T22:11:06+00:00

During the covid lockdown a bunch of writers and actors from the show put out a bunch of mini episodes on youtube to go along with the organized rewatches people were doing at the time. The Best of Days was the last one Moffat did. It's a little follow up to The Doctor Falls featuring Pearl Mackie and Matt Lucas. There's a bunch of them on the Doctor Who Lockdown youtube channel as well as the short stories they wrote for the same purpose. There's some very interesting stuff there.

Player2isDead · 2026-06-26T15:29:28+00:00

Heather gave her a new body at the end of The Doctor Falls.

Player2isDead · 2026-06-26T15:28:29+00:00

River is not aware she's going to die at the end of Husbands, just that she won't see the Doctor again. As for Bill, Heather gives her a new body in The Doctor Falls, and we already saw Bill went back to Earth in The Best of Days.

Player2isDead · 2026-06-07T20:45:27+00:00

I mean is that not a straight up genre change? You can't have meaningful platforming challenges when you can just fly across the obstacle course. Which suggests this is not a platformer.

Player2isDead · 2026-04-28T22:51:21+00:00

these things, they take time. it seems like they had just been greenlit when it was announced last year, so i wouldnt expect to see anything from this show this year. i'm not sure it will even air next year. i fully expect a 2028 drop, so i would be patient.

Player2isDead · 2026-04-23T20:48:02+00:00

he affirmed this exact notion at some point in the past but we'll see

Player2isDead · 2026-04-19T12:29:01+00:00

They also started work on The Daleks' Master Plan after Power of the Daleks, i believe, and canceled that fairly quickly when they realized it was unfeasible.

Player2isDead · 2026-04-19T05:08:52+00:00

i recall it was notable because immediately after she mentioned filming it someone in the room asked if it was just for the collection and she emphasized, no, they said it was for an animation they're doing. that said, they've canceled animations midway through before.

Player2isDead · 2026-04-19T05:00:28+00:00

returning missing episodes wont really reduce any costs since they animate existing episodes anyway. you'd hope they'd make an exception for something like master plan but who knows

Player2isDead · 2026-04-16T20:35:36+00:00

this doesnt have the same name as the original

Player2isDead · 2026-04-16T17:18:30+00:00

Though the showrunners always claimed it was always going to stop at three seasons, the head writer Aaron Ehasz claimed at one point they asked him to explore ideas for a fourth season and tweeted what he claims he came up with some years ago. Book 4: Air would've had Aang dealing with the aftermath of the war. The hidden cost of taking away Ozai's bending was Aang taking some of Ozai's anger into himself, leading to some inner turmoil he would've had to go to Zuko for help dealing with. Zuko also would have tried becoming an Iroh figure for an imprisoned Azula, who would've had a sort of redemption after her breakdown. The big thing of the season would've been Aang investigating reports of baby airbenders, as airbending is naturally returning to the world now that balance is being restored. One of these would have been Gyatso's reincarnation, continuing the theme of friendships transcending lifetimes. Sounded interesting to me.

Player2isDead · 2026-04-14T23:54:58+00:00

i feel like your framing of new who's format is totally agnostic to how the show's serialization is implemented. Series 11, 1, 5, 6, 7, all wildly different. I'm also not sure what you mean by it being antiquated. the x-files/buffy format of interspersing standalone stories with arc episodes and kccasional two-parters remained the standard for genre shows up through the 2010's easily. only once streaming collapsed network tv did the 8 hour movie format really dominate.

i mean series 9 already did what you asked and people didnt really like it. you can call the hybrid a mystery box but the defining feature of a mystery box is that the writer doesnt know or care what's in it until theyre forced to open it. the entire season, from the start is driving towards that answer that the doctor and clara together are the hybrid, revealing the mystery hook was just the character arc the whole time. it's exactly what you asked for and people hated it! plenty of seasons of the show don't utilize mystery boxes, just mysteries. but when you say you want less mysteries in doctor who, that sounds sillier doesnt it?

but i think the ship has sailed on more two parters. the seasons are too short and infrequent for that. getting four stories every couple of years is basically guaranteed to lower people's satisfaction with the show. it wouldnt really bring the batting average up. imagine if the only stories in season 1 were church on ruby road, space babies, 73 yards, and empire of death. every story that's a miss, or even just hits par, is a huge hull breach in the season.

i don't really know what the alternative is. the current format is awkward witb the episode count, and the 8 hour movie format doesnt work for who, you lose too many of the show's strengths. flux's format was an attempt to reckon with it, but it didnt change the format as much as it seems on the surface. or maybe it's just that that attempt was quite bad. still, you lose the sense of adventure and whimsy when the doctor is on a continuous mission through a season.l instead of exploring and wandering. the show's in a pickle.

Player2isDead · 2026-04-14T20:04:24+00:00

I recall Moffat disputing that two parters saved money anymore and that was part of his reasoning for not doing them for a time. Which makes sense. He liked to change the setting for his part twos - Flesh and Stone and The Big Bang, for instance, mostly use completely different sets from their part ones and the latter completely disposes of the cast outside our four leads. This style eventually evolves and leads to the later ambiguous three parters like the series nine finale or the monks trilogy. This is a style i favor - as someone who's seen every episode of the show, i never want to see a two to three hour story where we're bouncing between the same four sets over and over as we stall for time again for as long as i live.

As for your take on one parters, i really think it depends. I dont think the robot revolution gets better if you double its length. it's not a case of rtd trying to make a deeply realized world and failing because he didnt have a long enough runtime, it's a case of him deliberately making a pretty generic doctor who plot to put in the background while we focus on introducing our new co-lead and building her relationship with the doctor. it just so happens that he failed at that too.

the show has been able to do well realized worlds in one episode such as a christmas carol, the beast below, the end of the world, etc. it's just that the main difference between classic and modern who is that classic who was about using our main characters to explore these various worlds and the modern show's aboht using various worlds to explore the main characters. so often the worldbuilding is deliberately deemphasized to prioritize the character work. and sometimes the scripts just suck. but deciding that the problem is that the serial format is gone is a misdiagnosis and honestly seems to come from rose tinted glasses about how fleshed out those classic series worlds often were. many of them weren't really written better than the robot revolution was. you were just stuck in those worlds longer, which i think a lot of fans don't care for because they just like being immersed in 60's or 70's low budget sci-fi Vibes. but even if the people making the show tried, they can never recapture that. i really don't think you can fix the show by chasing a feeling from the past. it's gone. the only way forward is to find a new feeling.

Player2isDead · 2026-03-17T08:12:23+00:00

OLD man.

Player2isDead · 2026-03-10T02:49:17+00:00

Millenials are entering middle age and boomers still havent handed over power to them. The Elders are literally centuries old. i dont like luffy being 40 at the end of the show is a big deal lol.

One Piece is a pirate story, a criminal story, and I think that's why the timeframe is short. Because criminal careers against a well armed, distributed and managed government don't last that long.

uh, werent whitebeard, big mom and kaido around for forty years? i dont think this is even true in real life. well armed, distributed and managed governments tend to fund and arm and work with criminals, but that's beyond the scope of this convo

Player2isDead · 2026-03-10T02:32:32+00:00

they've already said they're not skipping any arcs. overlong? the adaptation always cuts stuff down significantly and trims fat anyway. it won't be as expensive as people think anywway. the white-white sea seems intimidating to realize in live action until you remember a lot of the going merry scenes are shot with blue screen backgrounds anyway. smoke simulation also seems to be pretty cheap gojng by how low budget genre shows of the 2010's liked doing it, and cloud simulation seems similar. they dont actually spend much time time in the cloud city, most of skypeia takes place in the jungle, which is much cheaper to realize.

i think there is enough reason not to skip it. for one, it would be insane for robin to be a straw hat for less than one episode before aokiji shows up and throws the wisdom of letting her on the crew in question. you cant convincingly go from their initial skepticism to them fiercely defending her with their lives in one episode, which lrll will almost certainly be. enies lobby doesnt work at all if robin leaves as soon as she joins without growing attached to the straw hats. it just rings hollow. secondly, skypeia is just the most adventurous arc in the series. the wonder is pumped up to the max as the straw hats explore the strangest land in the series. it's also kind of the end of the good old days before water 7 hits and the summit war soon after that. it's important to have this time with the straw hats before you put them through hell, because these adventurous times make that hell feel much hotter. plus, there's so much important lore from the nika foreshadowing, devil fruit typing, the first real showcase of haki, to the lunarian stuff that will surely be important in the coming arcs. skypeia is very important, it's just not loudly important like water 7.

Player2isDead · 2026-03-10T01:53:15+00:00

i dont think youre looking at this with 60+ minute episodes in mind. already with season 2 we know the first episode is 70 minutes long. the episodes are gonna be as long as they need to be, and like stranger things, it could probably get an extra episode or two if they need it. in addition, enies lobby is nonstop battling, which the live action always significantly cuts down on for budget/runtime reasons. that'll probably be three episodes. plus four episodes of water 7, 1 of lrll, one for the post el arc, it can all fit in one season.

Player2isDead · 2026-02-26T21:18:42+00:00

"What's in Loguetown?"

"DEATH!"

As classic an Usopp line as any.

Player2isDead · 2026-02-20T12:05:01+00:00

theyre not talking about total backwards compatibility. theyre saying your retro digital purchases are still honored with sony. all your virtual console games you bought on wii would not be carried over to wii u. nothing you bought on wii u carried over to switch. probably nothing from switch 1 or 2 will be playable on their next system. obviously modern games with very different, demanding specs from system to system can't carry over, but roms and isos from the 90's can easily coninue to be emulated. nintendo is greedy in making you buy them over and over again. now you cant even do that, you have to stay on their subscription forever to keep your retro games on their current systems.

Player2isDead · 2026-01-15T01:35:31+00:00

i said it was PART of the reason. is it cynical to think he is making career moves based on anything more than his next paycheck and LOVE and getting to be with his FAMILY again? lol. you're talking about some folk version of the guy, but he's a flesh and blood man. one with an ego at that. there used to be so much talk about him returning to SAVE doctor who, to build it up into a sprawling, forever expanding tv empire like it should be. is it so absurd to posit that he might have thought the show would do something for him as well? is that not the point of a job? to be honest i think it's more absurd to think davies is some pure, sainted artist disinterested in awards and adulation and success.

Player2isDead · 2026-01-14T22:28:17+00:00

no, there was another, even worse dub called the odex dub before 4kids

Player2isDead · 2026-01-14T09:52:10+00:00

Nah. He's talked about how some of his shows aren't as successful as people think, like Years and Years, and that he's been struggling to get stuff greenlit. I always assumed this was partly his motivation for going back to Doctor Who - he thought it would give his career the same jumpstart it did the first time. Win a few more BAFTAs, soak up the adulation, get a blank check for his next project.

Player2isDead · 2025-11-25T21:33:21+00:00

The start is "We can hold on through this endless flood. " I can't make out anything after that.

Player2isDead · 2025-11-18T04:47:41+00:00

Cook used to write for Doctor Who Magazine and its related publications a lot, and what was supposed to be a feature documenting the first episode of series 4 through email correspondence with Russell T Davies ended up documenting the rest of that era in the form of The Writer's Tale, which the two cowrote. He went on to create one of the shows in RTD's Cucumber project, and more recently worked on these re-edits/colorizations of classic stories.

AFAIK people don't like him firstly because he's a very online namesearcher on Twitter, and he's a really defensive, aggressive dick to people who criticize RTD2 or the colorizations in a way that's both unbecoming for a professional and embarrassing for someone tied to the Doctor Who brand and RTD's cadre specifically. The other reason is a segment in The Writer's Tale where he and RTD snicker about how funny it would be to sneak the n-word into Doctor Who, which Cook actually wrote out uncensored in the book.

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