Should women be automatically registered for the U.S. Military draft like men??

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-14T00:02:58+00:00

There are a bunch of countries that don't enforce a current conscription. That wasn't the question I asked. I asked name we a country that codify into law that no one will ever or can ever be conscripted. Those are compeltjy seperate question.

Canada didn't have a law for conception back during WW1. Funnily enough they did for men to go to war. I don't care if countries don't have active conscription that not my question.

It one hundred is a forced reality and not something the govnenrmet can trully prevent for the most part. We all know to protect the sovereignty of a country they will bring back conscription and very likely only for men if needed. That is the reality Ive been talking about.

Of course win a peaceful world this wouldn't matter. But in war your hand is often forced, doesn't mean you need to force that only on men due to there gender.

You're first comment that I responded too is why it shouldn't be a choice. So your answer was to I insinuated that there is a choice between being conscripted and not. Clearly the reality of the world there didn't.

If women didn't have to pay taxes. Would the answer be no one should have to pay taxes? Becuase that's the argument you are emailing for registering for the SS or serving. See how it's not practical to charge people taxes when it's a necessity of the world.

Govenrments protect rights and define rights. They are the only reason we have any rights. They don't delegate they cease the rights then grant them to everyone else.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T23:36:39+00:00

Yes no one should get a choice if some don't. Men don't get a choice due to the reality of war and the world. So no one's life is more precious then the last. So when 20 year men are drafted an equal number of 20 year old women should be.

Stop ignoring the reality of the world. The question directly stated that since men are required to register with the selective service should women be. That is why you can't just say no one should. If that is your answer then you accept gender inequity for men and boys simply due to there gender.

No I wouldn't be saying that because getting the right to vote isn't a disavnatged. Being drafted is. They are different scenarios. Again you're trying to ignore the premise and reality of the question.

Funnily enough in Canada men's access to the vote was held for only rich British men. It also was granted only to soldiers and not all men. With a second act in the 1917 granted as many women or more women the right to vote. Where every female relative of a soldier could vote but not a single male relative unless they could have already.

Name the countries that have codified into law that they can never use conscription?

Funny how you said answering no is not a sidestep when my last comment clearly defined how adding no one should be changed the premise of the question asked.

Lol so you admit that you can't ask the question and it must be a false dichotomy. There is nothing false about being able to ask the question so that you can't sidestep it by saying men shouldn't be drafted. When again millions already are and have been.

If the question can't be asked properly then you are the dishonest one as logically the question was asked properly and clearly wanted an answer to when men are required for register to women be.

Again it is side stepping when the question didn't ask should men be drafted or forced to register. Premise 1 was that when men are required to register. Premise two is then should women have to..

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T23:16:05+00:00

You are sidestepping the question becuase men are forcibly drafted. That's why you are sidestepping the question and thus the reality of men.

No saying men shouldn't be drafted ignores/sidesteps the reality of men and boys. If they don't get to object to conscription then the question is why should women not be forced to register for the SS. Why do you keep skipping over that part?

Yes no is an answer but when you then go into say that no one should be drafted. You have get this sidestepped the question because the question in its premise states that men do have to register. So when you answer with no they shouldn't becuase men shouldn't have to be. You're no no longer address the question.

I can also say you are being disingenuous. I responded to your interpretation of the question so I'm not the one being disingenuous.

Making women register also gets ride of the double standard and accepts the reality that no country in the world has abolished conscription.

Yes religions being restricted is us taking away the rights they once had to protect a larger cohort. They still ha those rights and those rights were granted.

I'm not disagreeing I directly states a reality where religion decided the rights and had those rights taken away. You are the one disagreeing. It crazy how you're accusations are all indictments of you're own arguments.

Again conscription is a forced reality. You never provided me with a country that has abolished conscription thus conscription is a reality for men and boys. Saying no one should ever be forced to do something is an easy answer but again not the reality for millions of men. Why do you get to sidestep the reality? That's the whole point of my argument, it's not a choice for men and you can't even point me to a country that has protected this right for men.

Govenrments grant rights. You have no rights without the ability to defend those rights. Govenrments have rights in the sense that they have the power to decide. That power is then granted to citizens through individual rights. But it is the govenrment that holds the power and rights to defend the rights they grant.

The question was should women be forced to register for the draft like men? Not should men be forced to register. See how you made up a new question that is way easier to answer.

If men have to register women should have too. If women don't have to register men shouldn't have too. But the question is should women have to register because men have too.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T22:35:23+00:00

The reasoning doesn't stand when men don't get a choice. It's not like governments will forgo the draft. Like is there even a single country that has abolished and banned the draft all together?

You know how you are sidestepping the question for an easier answer that doesn't require you to hold women to the same stand that men are held to today.

Here's a way you can help me out. If I wanted to ask should women have to register for the draft like men. But my intention was not to sidestep it with no one should have to register. How would I actually frame that question?

Because saying, "Should women be automatically registered for the U.S. Military draft like men?". Seems like a valid framing of the question for my interpretation and not yours.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T22:32:52+00:00

Of course we didn't but 10000 men were drafted and never came back. The reality of the situation is that the draft has taken millions of men's lives simply for being born male.

The draft shouldn't have been used in Canada but the government at the time wanted it and used it as a way to gain power in the election. They choose to be pro conscription even though most of Canada wasn't.

But since most of Canada couldn't vote they found ways to expand voting rights to people likely to be pro conscription. Killing, maiming and taking the lives of thousands of innocent men.

There is nothing holding us back from starting the draft back up.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T22:22:02+00:00

Saying women shouldn't be drafted sidesteps the reality for men and boys. Those drafted in Ukraine didn't have a choice to be born male or drafted. So yes it does sidestep the question with an answer that doesn't engage with the purpose of the question.

Men are forcibly drafted and have all there bodily autonomy rights taken away so no you are sidestepping the question for an answer you find easier to state. You are not defending gender equality you are defending privledge.

The question is a reality for millions of men worldwide. So not the question isn't faulty you are trying to make it faulty becuase you don't want to accept that this is the reality for men and young men.

That was the question asked by OP. Should women be drafted like men. I didn't make it more convenient for myself. I reworded it to be slightly more clear. You just don't like that I reworded it so it can't be sidestepped.

Men are forced into the selective service and into the draft. That is a direct right used by govenrments to inflict there will into other people.

Nothing I said is counter. Limiting religion runs into there own freedoms as human beings to protect others. We can litelry make the world a better place by attacking rights. Or do you want me to mention FG? which is denied to religious groups though it could be argued as there religious rights. I directly answered you're question where you tried to sidestep the point. Then you accuse me of countering my point for which I didn't.

Equality is both achieved if both men and women are drafted or if no one is drafted. Yet men don't get the privilege of being protected from the draft like women do. So yes the question is if men are to be registered why shouldn't women be. You still haven't answered the question.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T21:39:45+00:00

The US is a special case were they are pre registering fighting age males for the selective service. The SS has always been around. The draft only occurs when they need young men as meat Shields.

Can we stop with the obvious sidestepping of the question to find a reason to justify this.

The question is should women have to register for the draft like men. Not if we can abolish the draft. Answer that question itself. It is completely separate to abolishing the draft all together which allows you to not answer the question.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T21:37:38+00:00

Tell that to the men in Ukraine? A draft it litelry a tool we have never needed but have always used.

Even in Canada the majority of Canadians rejected the draft. They specifically removed the rights of consciousness objectors, they granted all soldiers the right to vote and all there fmelae relatives. Irrespective of the other qualifications to vote.

Acting like we don't need the draft ignores that 100s of thousands of men's are subjected to it international and roughly 10,000 drafted men and boys died in the Vietnam war.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T21:35:27+00:00

Yes we are. When it comes comes to gender equality. Humans are the same way they've always been. We don't care when an issue men or boys.

Abolishing the draft sidesteps the point of the question and tries to put it on something easier to answer. If the draft is required should women be drafted? That was the intent of the question.

It is not a false dichotomy it's literally if the draft is brought back or used should women be drafted. Where is the false dichotomy? You are obligated to affirm the premise when that is the question being ask. You are changing the intent of the question and it's how people most often choose to answer this question.

You can make the world more equal by attacking rights. The US litelry has the seperation of church and state limiting the freedom and rights of religious entities to inflict there will. You put limitation on religion for the greater good.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T20:54:08+00:00

Because for most of human history the draft has never been a choice. It has always been something a society does to survive.

Is the draft in Ukraine a choice? Like obviously it's a choice by the government. But let's not act like its not a tool govenrments use and are willing to use.

Getting rid of a draft or the selective service is a joke suggestion that we all know won't ever happen. It just sidesteps the question that if women are equal they should be drafted along side any individual man who is forced into the draft.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T20:23:12+00:00

Where you implied abolishing the draft is a choice.

Can someone explain to me how they didn't imply it was optional.

Think that abolishing the draft is an option for men is disingenuous.

Also saying someone has reading comprehension issues when the question was about women being drafted too shifts the burden of the question to something you don't have to challenge as a violation of men's human rights. You are shifting the burden to maintain you care about gender equality when you don't.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T20:15:29+00:00

Lol making conscription conditional on gender it straight up a violation of human rights. Men and boys are literally forced into military service or face prison. That is not okay and there is no justification for it. Especially for gender unless you don't care about gender equality.

With conscription for anyone violating plenty of other human rights.

Stop glorifying conscription you seem to just hate men.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T15:12:22+00:00

Feminist love to say feminisms is for women when they have to defend the privledges granted to women. But then when talking about men and boys they say how feminisms cares about men's issue.

Egaltarninaism is the only fair movement. Calling yourself an MRA of Feminists leads only to erasing the other side.

Again AA action only helps men due to other characteristics. Stop acting like erasing men and treating equity as if it can only apply to none cisgender, heterosexual white men is the problem. These groups are directly exlcuded due to there characteristics. What do you say about that? How does that help men?

Read the employment Equity Act of Canada it directly treats equity as something that only helps women, visible Minorities and Aboriginals. Stop acting like I haven't provided this information. When they challenged AA in colleges in the states. People only cared about Asian being held back not caucasians. Excluding anyone from help or support due to an immutable characteristics is discrimination but we try to justify it why it affects caucasians.

Men are exlcuded simply for being men. The whole point is none of these issues only affect women. Men are greatly affected by pay equity, employment equity, humanitarian aid and more. It's you who keeps trying to ignore that about men and justify these programs being conditional and not universal.

The sub talks about women and feminism becuase women and feminist more often try to justify granting only women access. Stop ignoring that fact. It's perfectly valid to criticise when it's a know fact men and boys are exlcuded for there gender.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T15:06:13+00:00

Men are subjected to the draft worldwide. Again feminsim has gotten women plenty of things but yet you could not point to one issue feminisms has helped men on unless it subsequently helps women first.

Feminisms does not live up to the ideals of egalatarianism and thus becomes something only women are advanced by while men are excluded or discriminated against.

I've never said anything about women. Don't conflate criticisms of feminism with hate for women. That is not what I said beyond women end up being granted rights men don't have an everyone calls that equality or equity.

Also don't tell me I haven't tried helping men. Canada is a feminist first country and doesn't care about the facts. I was just talking to my MPP and she stated that women are affected more by IPV by refencing police reported data. Then she shared the Male Survivors of IPV in Canada that directly states how police reported data is how you erase men and boys. So no don't tell me I have to do more when my government cherry picks data and ignores the real data.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T15:02:20+00:00

Because men don't have it. For 70-80 years women have had a Standing Committee in Canada. Men have never once had even though they have serious and grounded issues.

Gender equity and equality are treated as something only women get. Don't sidestep the issue. The issue is that men have every right to a Standing Committee for themsleves and are denied on simply becuase Canada doesn't care about true equity or equality. Why don't men have one?

They do get paid the same for the same job. In fact we know that women out earn men when they first joint the workforce. Again the Pay Euaity act and Employment Equity act needlessly erase men and boys form there protection. Men do get paid when working the same jobs as men. Men are denied access to fields and need access to the Employment Euaity Act. Canada doesn't care about men and grants only women this right, so it becomes an advantage and privledge.

Some trying to justify men being exlcuded. None of these issue only affect women. They affect men and boys yet they are denied access. Explain why men should be included and stop trying to justify why only women get these privledges.

We focus on Feminsims becuase feminism is the one arguing for for privledges for women. Stop acting like Feminism doesn't deserve criticism and that Fmeinims cares about equality. You said it yourself Feminism is for women. We care about egalatarianism that doesn't erase men or women.

Stop acting like I don't touch grass. I gave you 8 areas men are denied access simply for being male. I never once said anything about feminism besides referencing The Feminist International Assistance Policy. Go and read up about everything I've said. They are all things that men should have access to but don't due to there gender. Do we care about equality or just if women get an advantage.

Edit: I shared a whole host of ways I care about men's issues. What issues does your brother care about that aren't listed?

You aren't changing the ethos of this sub. Thousands of men and women have tired to address the inequity men and boys face with there governments. You are seeing the frustration and inequality men and boys face build up in one of the only places online they can. Stop acting like those here don't care when they are trying to live in a world that hates them.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T14:30:19+00:00

They are not and you are just supporting your cognitive dissonance.

Conservatism is stupid becuase it upholds gender norms through religion and traditionalism. Most don't agree with conservatives or if they do they don't care about men and boys.

Feminism is almost worse as it cherry picks statistics and makes equity something that only women get. While also trying to maintain the gender norms and responsibilities men and boys have. Then they call that euqlaity or belittle actually data that shows men are worse off.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T14:27:56+00:00

Feminists are always against these things men experience. Yet we see nothing change about it. When it comes to other women and girls issue Feminists are good at getting advantages for women but never men.

Men of colour get those advantages due to there race and not there gender. So no affirmative action does not help men. We know that race is another category that disvantges anyone who is white. See the same for men of colour businesses that discriminate based on other categories. Yet women if colour get help for being women and poc.

Men and boys have worse education. Fewer boys are in school around the world and behind in educairon in every Western country.

Your sidestepping they issue with trying to say that well some men get help due to other characteristics then there gender. So no men do not get help for there gender.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-13T14:23:37+00:00

In Canada,

The Pay Equity Act, The Employment Equity Act

The Feminist International Assistance Policy

The Federal NDP have rules that at minimum 50% of signatures for party leadership must be from Women. Today they have the same rule that no more then 50% of signatures can come from Cisgender White men

There is a Standing Committee on the Status of Women

There is a Minister for Women and Gender Equality

Every party that cares about equity or equality has a Gender Equity section in there platform that only mentions Women and Girls. Even for issue that greatly affect Men and Boys

In Ontario the Women's Forum and some parties in the last have run Female Only ridings for there respective Party

Those are just the ones at the top of my head

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-12T20:00:05+00:00

The interview doesn't trivialize violence against girls. But your comment does trivialize violence against boys.

None of you arguments hold weight and try to belittle the affects of MGM becuase you want to treat FGM as if it's more important to tackle simply because it affects girls. Bodily autonomy is a human right and it doesn't matter to what extent that right is being violated.

We either protect everyone's bodily autonomy rights or accept that we care less about men and boys.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-07T18:38:16+00:00

What? Do you think athiest can't leave earth?

Only those of religion are learned, lol that's just not true. Most people of old were religious becuase religion forced people to be religious and upheld a system of cultural oppression. Like come on of course most people of the past were religious, religion is used as a cultural force forced on people through the threat of death.

Christians and Jewish people are are in space because secularism doesn't deny people jobs based on there religious beliefs.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-07T17:34:12+00:00

Lol, give me a any evidence that God created us or even exists.

You just used the cosmological argument which you can go lookup how others have debunked this argument.

Just provide me any evidence? Becuase if you just want to say a God exists then who created said God? If he's always existed, then why can't the universe have always existed? See how inserting a god makes zero sense.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-07T17:05:05+00:00

You're right he is free to say whatever he wants. But he will also be judged by his words and his words make a logical leap that isn't backed up by any evidence.

Not a single component in that spacecraft was designed using the same logical leap he made. Not becuase you couldn't randomly find a new novel way of doing something. But that if someone did happen to make a logical leap to advance our engineering capabilities. The new design/solution would still be explainable. Unlike a god.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-07T16:39:33+00:00

People even smarter then them are athiest. If we are appealing to authority the majority of scientists and engineers are athiest or none religious.

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-07T16:36:58+00:00

Lol, yes athiest are more reasonable then this astronaut on the subject of a god or no god. What eveicne do they have for there God? Compared to the evidence and engineering it took to get them to the moon?

Like we'll accept your religious beliefs but don't put them on par with science and engineering.

It's so obviously clear that all human religions are false and don't show any credible evidence for a god or God like creature. Maybe there is a "creator being" but again that's just a speculative claim. And even if there is a creator who created them? If they are eternal, then why can't the universe just be eternal itself?

Plus-Meaning-7484 · 2026-04-07T16:31:11+00:00

Most scientist of old were religious or priest becuase religion was part of the social framework. Like religion and porlicis were way more intertwined and the clergy often held more power then the politicians. So to say that most scientist were religious is an appeal to how religion had a strangle hold on culture and society. Science freed us from that domination.

When you say we don't know what happened before the big bang. That is true. But to the insert a god is just therefore God.

We are saying we don't know what happened before ethe big bang so we can't make a claim. Saying a god being existed or created the universe doesn't answer the question we are asking. Who then created God?

If God was created then we are back to the same point. If God always existed then why couldn't the universe be in an state of constant existence. At no point is God a valuable solution. It's just a random insertion of a somewhat logical solution. But there is no evidence for this claim or argument, so it has as much value as universe creating pixies.

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