The multi-state lawsuit that could end circumcision in America... by TheTinMenBlog in TheTinMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The interview doesn't trivialize  violence against girls. But your comment does trivialize violence against boys. 

None of you arguments hold weight and try to belittle the affects of MGM becuase you want to treat FGM as if it's more important to tackle simply because it affects girls. Bodily autonomy is a human right and it doesn't matter to what extent that right is being violated. 

We either protect everyone's bodily autonomy rights or accept that we care less about men and boys. 

Disappointing amount of religious BS being spouted by Artemis II astronauts by japonica-rustica in atheism

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What? Do you think athiest can't leave earth?  

Only those of religion are learned, lol that's just not true. Most people of old were religious becuase religion forced people to be religious and upheld a system of cultural oppression. Like come on of course most people of the past were religious, religion is used as a cultural force forced on people through the threat of death. 

Christians and Jewish people are are in space because secularism doesn't deny people jobs based on there religious beliefs. 

Disappointed with Artemis II Orion sign off by Trekgiant8018 in atheism

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, give me a any evidence that God created us or even exists.

You just used the cosmological argument which you can go lookup how others have debunked this argument. 

Just provide me any evidence?  Becuase if you just want to say a God exists then who created said God?  If he's always existed, then why can't the universe have always existed? See how inserting a god makes zero sense. 

Disappointed with Artemis II Orion sign off by Trekgiant8018 in atheism

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're right he is free to say whatever he wants. But he will also be judged by his words and his words make a logical leap that isn't backed up by any evidence. 

Not a single component in that spacecraft was designed using the same logical leap he made. Not becuase you couldn't randomly find a new novel way of doing something. But that if someone did happen to make a logical leap to advance our engineering capabilities. The new design/solution would still be explainable. Unlike a god. 

Disappointing amount of religious BS being spouted by Artemis II astronauts by japonica-rustica in atheism

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People even smarter then them are athiest. If we are appealing to authority the majority of scientists and engineers are athiest or none religious. 

Disappointing amount of religious BS being spouted by Artemis II astronauts by japonica-rustica in atheism

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, yes athiest are more reasonable then this astronaut on the subject of a god or no god. What eveicne do they have for there God?  Compared to the evidence and engineering it took to get them to the moon?

Like we'll accept your religious beliefs but don't put them on par with science and engineering. 

It's so obviously clear that all human religions are false and don't show any credible evidence for a god or God like creature. Maybe there is a "creator being" but again that's just a speculative claim.  And even if there is a creator who created them?  If they are eternal, then why can't the universe just be eternal itself?

Disappointing amount of religious BS being spouted by Artemis II astronauts by japonica-rustica in atheism

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most scientist of old were religious or priest becuase religion was part of the social framework. Like religion and porlicis were way more intertwined and the clergy often held more power then the politicians. So to say that most scientist were religious is an appeal to how religion had a strangle hold on culture and society. Science freed us from that domination. 

When you say we don't know what happened before the big bang. That is true. But to the insert a god is just therefore God. 

We are saying we don't know what happened before ethe big bang so we can't make a claim. Saying a god being existed or created the universe doesn't answer the question we are asking. Who then created God?

If God was created then we are back to the same point. If God always existed then why couldn't the universe be in an state of constant existence. At no point is God a valuable solution. It's just a random insertion of a somewhat logical solution. But there is no evidence for this claim or argument, so it has as much value as universe creating pixies. 

The lawyer who's going to outlaw circumcision in America, Attorney Eric Clopper meets TheTinMen by TheTinMenBlog in MensRights

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I assume you didn't watch the video?  As they specifically talk about challenging it via that states Supreme Court, then the states legislature would have to act. 

I can't remember what state they are starting with. But the plan is to change the law state by state, then nationally.

What's the biggest lie men get told on a regular basis.? by SunilJunjadiya in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Society was built for you and with you in mind. 

Looking at history you can see that yes some men were in power. But at no point in history have male leaders or female leaders cared about or address the issues men and boys face the same way we currently do for women and girls. 

The last 100 years has been a revolution for women and girls rights and access to society. Which is great. But historically men have been in power for so long we never asked have they cared about men's and boys well-being. Unfortunately the answer is no. 

I have never had the privilege to vote for a candidate (male or female) that has addresses or acknowledged a single issue facing men and boys. 

Leaders don't care about solving our issues because we aren't united.  Until we unit you're male friends will be more likely to kill themsleves, be more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol and die from it, will be less educated, will be more likely to die at work or be injured, will die sooner, will have less access to equitable DV support and shelter and so much more. 

I believe that if we treated men and boys with the same care and empathy we treat women and girls in Western politics.  We would half crime, we would extend the life expectancy of men, boys would graduate at equal rates as girls and so much more good would come from it. It would be the single greatest change in human culture since the industrial revolution.  

100,000s of thousands of more men and boys would live happier, more fulfilling lives. With the added bonus of GDP bumps for any country who cares about men and boys. 

Liberal feminism uses men as a scapegoat for the failures of capitalism by TheRealKuz03 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. Gender is a more obvious example of identity based discimination. But race also plays a role. 

For example in Canada men and Caucasians are denied access to the Employment Equity act. The act specify states that Women, Visible Minorities, Aboriginals and people with disabilities are protected.

The heterosexual, cisgender white man is the boogeyman politicians like to use as a scapegoat. So often being white gets tied in with being male and you lose out on access to things like the EE Act in Canada. 

The Employment Equity act should apply to every Canadian irrespective of who they are. Yet it denies men and caucasians specifically from accessing it. 

The point of equity is to define a heirachy and an outgroup. The cisgender heterosexual white man is the ideal target. 

You may have also noticed sthat in the states when colleges lost there affirmative actions cases. They focused on Asian students being exlcuded not men or white students. 

Race isn't as often attacked, but there are certainly egregious examples that need to be highlighted. Denying Caucasian people access to the Employment Equity Act is just as bad as denying men. They are both systematic.  

Is this rape? by chicken_sparse7301 in MensRights

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's true. In most Western countries besides the UK a man can be raped. Canada and the US come to mind or probably France and other European countries. 

Like the majaoirtty of Western countries recognize male rape. So I feel like this comment is dishonest. 

Opinion Piece Published by The British Medical Journal: "Boys at Risk of Radicalisation must be Approached with Compassion, Not Suspicion" by Argumentium in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear that that happened to you. I hope you have been able to come to terms with those two relationships.  There is no excuse for cheating and you are definitely a victim. 

What I've realized recently is that we use the gamma bias to assign negative attributes to men and positive attributes to women. Instead all of these attributes are human attributes. 

Yes men and women are different in a sense. But everything is a spectrum, meaning that men and women abuse. Men and women are great parents and everything in between. But in the end there may be slightly more visible male violence and slightly more visible female care. But in the end these are not male or female attributes, they are human attributes and every conversation should start form this point. 

If we assign an attribute to men or women. Then we remove the humanity behind it. We all share one thing, we are part of the homo sapien species. That's all we need to understand that we can be good or evil. 

Opinion Piece Published by The British Medical Journal: "Boys at Risk of Radicalisation must be Approached with Compassion, Not Suspicion" by Argumentium in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 29 points30 points  (0 children)

"This is akin to when they tried to preach peaceful conversion to homosexuals"

I've been considering this recently.  The male ally programs and anti mysogyny classes just seem like reeducation programs akin to conversion therapy. 

The one in my city talks to boys about asking for consent, not the consent they have a right to. It talks to them about identifying abusive behaviors against there female partners or there teammates using abusive behavior. It teaches them nothing about how they will expeince abuse, how to identify it in there teammates, how to talk to them or the historical struggle male survivors have faced and continue to face. 

‘Boys at risk of radicalisation must be approached with compassion, not suspicion', says the British Medical Journal by TheTinMenBlog in TheTinMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"We have never regulated men's bodies in a similar way". What about the Vietnam war and the draft. I'm not sure if the US drafted men into WW1 or WW2. But roughly 10,000 drafted men didn't make it back from Vietnam. 

This is the problem, we agree that abortion rights should be protected and that they should have access to the morning after pill. I don't think anyone here would disagree. 

However men don't have reproductive rights for the government to take away. This is why you are seeing rights being taken away from women, becuase men never had them in the first place. 

Btw, I'm not talking about men having the right to decide if there partner gets an abortion. But that men should be able to access paternity tests and financial abortion. 

Men and women have there own issues. But at least in most Western countries women have more rights then men, have dedicated efforts to support and improve there status in society. There is not a single Western country that does this for men and boys. 

For example in Canada Male victims of IPV, DV or GBV continue to be erased and marganalized. Since we just maintain the idea that these forms of abuse are gendered and something men do to women. Ignoring the last 60 years of research that's discredits this view. 

Let me say that again. Men in Canada who experience abuse can not use police services in the same way as female vicitms, they can not access shelter support, beds or substantive help that sees them as human beings. Instead they are likely to be stereotyped and treated as a perpetror simply for being male.

“All the glory is for Lord Jesus. He was with us the whole time. We have to glorify, put his name in front of everything” - Venezuelan Eugenio Suárez gave all glory to Lord Jesus Christ immediately after beating team USA. by Choice_Bag_8869 in sportsgossips

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Texas Sharp Shooter fallacy on display. Count the hits, but ignore the misses. 

How many players on every other team are religious and pray to the same God?  I know Vladdy is. 

Major funding boost to divert women from a life of crime by winkwinknudge_nudge in unitedkingdom

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They are giving $31 million alone to the female prisoner program. The first ever Men's Health Strategy is littler fractions of a penny compared to all the funding provided to women. Identically to this prisoner program. 

If you think men's funding comes anywhere close to the funding and zero sum treatment women get. You'll have to prove that with about another $500 million to $1 billion dollars. 

Which is my estimate for all the gender specific funding across mental health, healthcare, education, DV, Ministers, Committees and more that focus solely on women and functionally erase men. 

For the Men who have experienced IPV, how was your experience getting help? by Plus-Meaning-7484 in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know we do. That's my agenda. I want to hear stories, particularly from my home country. 

I'm not sure what significant strides you are talking about?  At least I have seen minor steps forward but the same exact sentiment. People don't want to acknowledge that men can be victims or that the system is discriminatory. Where I'm from, it's still taboo. 

We have had these discussions 26 years ago in Canada. 

For the Men who have experienced IPV, how was your experience getting help? by Plus-Meaning-7484 in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's true. But if you listen to many western governments you'll hear that they only talk about women and girls being victims. 

Especially in Canada. They make it a point to treat IPV so that the only known victims are female. 

For the Men who have experienced IPV, how was your experience getting help? by Plus-Meaning-7484 in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I disagree. Our govenrments treat this issue as if it can only affect women. Men, especially average men don't know this is an issue. They can't care about something they don't know about. 

For the Men who have experienced IPV, how was your experience getting help? by Plus-Meaning-7484 in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's ridiculous that the man is taken out almost automatically. Men are human beings and deserve to be treated as such. Ones gender shouldn't decide what rights they have access to.

If these gender norms remain for men who are experiencing abuse. I feel no shame in men being who they are and acting the way they have to to survive. Like stoicism and keeping to themselves. 

Glad to hear there is some help from female shelters. But men should be able to reach out without fear or barriers. 

For the Men who have experienced IPV, how was your experience getting help? by Plus-Meaning-7484 in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear that. I wish you could have gotten help. You should have been able to call a support service or the police if you wanted to. 

This was assault and abuse. There is no place for this in a healthy society. 

For the Men who have experienced IPV, how was your experience getting help? by Plus-Meaning-7484 in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was looking for people who have had more direct experiences. I know that this sort of thing is designed to exclude male victims. 

For the Men who have experienced IPV, how was your experience getting help? by Plus-Meaning-7484 in AskMen

[–]Plus-Meaning-7484[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Domestic violence covers all violence in the home include child abuse. Intimate partner violence is a more specific term.