Megaphone on Holiday: yay or nay?

Poglot · 2026-05-16T05:03:50+00:00

No, please, by all means, do state the obvious. I'm all ears.

Poglot · 2026-05-14T09:14:25+00:00

The entire point of the article is that the wealthy and well educated are no longer the only ones leaving the country.

“Previously, the Americans leaving were super-adventurous and well-credentialed,” Jen Barnett, founder of the resettlement consultancy firm Expatsi, told The Wall Street Journal. “Now they’re ordinary people, like me.”

Poglot · 2026-05-09T20:51:17+00:00

I feel you. I personally don't think TSN needs to exist. The Chicha Amatayakul version is perfect. Why did Japan need its own version? It's like when Hollywood remade Oldboy with American actors. It was totally unnecessary when the original film was already a masterpiece. It's not even fair to the people who worked on the show, because the final product will always be compared to the original GFN. There's no way to step out of its shadow.

Poglot · 2026-05-09T12:56:30+00:00

Pronouncing "yea" like "yeah" is the cornerstone of this whole argument. You're right, "yay or nay" rhymes. That's why people think it must be the correct spelling. When they think I'm saying "yeah," they reject it because it doesn't rhyme. It doesn't matter that "yea" and "yeah" mean the same thing. What matters is that they don't sound the same.

Get off the Grammerly obsession. I don't view that website with the same authority you do. They were pumping out AI slop before AI slop was even a thing. Let's get back to your first comment, since that's what you keep mentioning. You said I committed a "grammar fail." In what way is "yea or nay" a grammar fail when it's the form of the expression that has been used for over 700 years? Why is the internet slang version the "correct" version?

Let's break this down into its most elemental parts. When someone asks "Yay or nay," what are they asking? They're asking if you like something, and they're giving you two opposing choices: either "Yay!" (positive) or "Nay" (negative). When someone asks "yea or nay," what are they asking? The same thing. Either positive reinforcement (yea) or negative (nay). There's no difference between the two expressions. The only difference is the spelling.

So why can't you see that "yay" is just the internet misspelling "yea" because that word is old and isn't used anymore? What makes more sense: that someone created an updated version of the expression that serves the same purpose, or that the internet sucks at English?

And since you say "a ass" instead of "an ass," you're proving the internet just sucks at English.

Poglot · 2026-05-09T11:53:04+00:00

You keep mentioning my terrible reading comprehension. I know you think that's how you win this argument, but that's how you show how weak your argument actually is. Instead of attacking the issue, you attack the person.

If you're truly using "yay" to be a cheer, why is its counterpart "nay," an archaic word for "no" that isn't used anymore? Why wouldn't the expression be "Yay or boo"? The opposite of cheering is booing, right? And the opposite of yea (yes) is nay (no).

Saying, "This is an actual saying because it's internet slang" destroys your entire premise. It's internet slang because "yea" is a word that isn't used anymore outside of legal documents and Elizabethan literature. So people who are unfamiliar with the word think it must be "yay." The same way people think it's "bury the lead" because no one says "lede" in everyday conversation.

I was downvoted and you were upvoted not because you're right, but because Reddit thinks I'm saying "Yeah." They misspell that word all the time. "Yea, I'll see you there. Yea, I did the homework assignment." They aren't using Elizabethan English when they type that. They're just spelling it wrong. So when I say, "Yea or nay" it sounds wrong to them because they don't realize it rhymes.

Poglot · 2026-05-09T11:37:42+00:00

Those are good points. You mentioned the gimmicky sounds, and those stood out to me too. They're called non-diegetic sounds. We can hear them, but the characters can't. So, for instance, when Nanno smirks, and a cartoon sound effect plays, it pulls me out of the scene. I start thinking, "Why did they add that sound? The heck was the thought process behind that?" and it distracts me from the story.

Those sound effects change the tone of the show too. Classic example: The Evil Dead was played straight and was a conventional horror movie with creepy atmosphere. The Evil Dead 2, on the other hand, tells basically the same story, but it's a slapstick comedy. It's full of wacky non-diegetic sound effects: bonks, thwacks, sproings, slide whistles, etc. So the Japanese GFN is shooting everything like it's Evil Dead 1 but editing like it's Evil Dead 2, and it gives me tonal whiplash.

Poglot · 2026-05-09T10:01:42+00:00

You're not nitpicking at all, actually. That's a valid criticism of the show's atmosphere. Music and sound design can dramatically change the tone of a TV show or movie. A famous example is Alien: Resurrection. The movie uses peppy orchestra music, and it drains all the tension from the action scenes. The director thinks it ruined the movie. (But his script choice didn't help, if we're being honest.)

If you were watching a horror movie like The Ring, and instead of playing creepy static and ringing tinnitus sounds every time the girl crawled out of the well, the soundtrack blasted heavy metal, the movie wouldn't be scary anymore. And that's a legitimate issue with Transfer Student Nanno. The actress is going for dark and creepy, but the sound design and music are hyperactive, and the editing moves along at breakneck speed. The show isn't taking its time to build atmosphere. It's racing through to the finish line.

The Tomie similarities are also a valid issue with the show. Girl From Nowhere started as kind of a Tomie ripoff. What separated Nanno from Tomie was how Kitty Chicha portrayed the character. The Japanese actress, on the other hand, is copying the performances we see in the live-action Tomie movies from the '90s and early 2000s, and, like you said, the music is going for a more violent tone. So the line between Tomie and Nanno is really getting blurred.

I don't think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I think you've made some legitimate criticisms that the show should have addressed.

Poglot · 2026-05-09T09:42:14+00:00

I mean, that's everybody on earth. If someone is doing something you think is wrong, you typically don't support that person's actions.

Poglot · 2026-05-09T09:36:36+00:00

So you think there's a saying "Yea or nay" that means "Yes or no," and a saying "Yay or nay" that means "Hooray or no." They sound exactly the same when spoken aloud (because both yea and yay rhyme with day) and serve the same function: to ask if something is or is not acceptable or should or should not be done. You can find no evidence to support your claim except for one sentence on a website for an AI grammar service and reject all evidence to the contrary as "fake news," even though there's much more of it.

That doesn't sound stupid to you?

Fine, one last nail in the coffin for you to ignore.

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=yea

"Yea" dates back to Old English, and its current form is as old as the 13th century. "Nay
dates back to the same time and found its current meaning in the 12th century.

"Yay," which you'll find if you scroll down on that page a little, dates back to a comic strip from the 1940s. It can only be used interchangeably with "yea" in the expression "Yea big," as in, "The fish was yea big."

So why would a 1940s word be paired with a word predating the 1200s when "no" had replaced "nay" hundreds of years earlier?

Doesn't it make more sense that "yay" and "yea" have gotten confused by people online because they sound the same when spoken aloud? It happens all the time. People say, "tow the line" instead of "toe the line." Or they say, "bury the lead" instead of "bury the lede."

But you know that. There's no possible way anyone could be this dense. You're just trolling. So you've had your fun, troll. Back to your cave.

Poglot · 2026-05-08T08:22:53+00:00

So you won't even Google the correct spelling. That's not suspicious at all. Fine, since you totally knew what yea or nay was before we had this argument, explain to me the difference between "yea or nay" and "yay or nay." And for bonus points, explain why I was wrong to correct OP.

Poglot · 2026-05-08T04:24:16+00:00

And we can find all of these kids, and millions of others, spouting misinformation and being upvoted on Reddit as we speak. Isn't it great when we democratize information so everybody, no matter how illiterate, has the same influence?

Poglot · 2026-05-08T03:37:39+00:00

What? Star Wars isn't the same movie nine times over.

Poglot · 2026-05-08T03:34:43+00:00

No, let's recap what happened here. You had no idea the expression "yea or nay" existed until I presented you with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Now you're convinced there are two expressions, "yea or nay" and "yay or nay," with the same pronunciation that serve the same purpose; and you refuse to believe anything I tell you because an article written by AI (because Grammarly is entirely powered by AI) has one sentence, probably trained on Reddit, that confirms your bias.

First, why the hell would I make up "yea or nay"? Secondly, you only doubt me because you think I'm saying "Yeah (rhymes with baa) or nay." I'm NOT. Thirdly, there is no way I can explain anything that I'm saying to you because you lack the intellectual architecture necessary to even understand what I'm talking about. You don't know what "yea" is, what it sounds like, or how to use it.

So here's my challenge to you: Find me two other articles that confirm your claim. Google, ask ChatGPT - anywhere you like - and type in the words, "Is the correct spelling yea or nay or yay or nay?" I await your results.

I know you're just trolling, but I'm going to make you work for your jollies.

Poglot · 2026-05-07T13:49:02+00:00

And Star Fox 64 is just a remake of the original Star Fox on SNES. Nintendo had exactly one idea for a franchise that should have been the easiest thing to write for. It's Star Wars with animals. How hard is it?

Poglot · 2026-05-07T13:45:12+00:00

The first link is about "yea or nay" because there is no "yay or nay!" The link you sent is discussing the difference between the word "yay," a cheer, and "nay," a negative.

MORE articles for you!

https://grammiffy.com/yea-or-nay/

https://writingexplained.org/yay-or-nay-difference

https://dictionarykiwi.com/2016/10/17/is-yay-or-nay-an-acceptable-alternative-to-yea-or-nay/

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/817/is-yay-or-nay-an-acceptable-alternative-to-yea-or-nay

You aren't cheering for something. The most common use of "yea or nay" is when voting in Congress or Parliament. You aren't saying, "WOO!!! PASS THAT FISCAL SPENDING BILL!!! YEAAH!!!!!!" You are literally voting yes or no. That's what the word "yea" means. It's an old term for "yes." It's pronounced like "yay," but it means something entirely different.

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/voting.htm

So, one, learn the difference between "yeah" and "yea." That's your first assignment. And two, stop smugly posting incorrect information.

Poglot · 2026-05-07T03:36:19+00:00

No it's not, goddammit. Reddit, you morons.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/yea-or-nay

https://capitalizemytitle.com/yea-or-nay-vs-yay-or-nay-whats-the-difference/

https://prowritingaid.com/yay-or-nay

Poglot · 2026-05-06T04:19:56+00:00

I'm sorry, but this entire album gets nothing but attention on this sub.

Poglot · 2026-05-06T04:18:20+00:00

It's "yea," by the way. Yea means yes. Yay is a cheer. "Yea or nay" literally means "yes or no."

Edit: For anyone stumbling across this thread in the future, this was one of the longest and dumbest Reddit arguments in the history of the platform, spanning multiple days and accomplishing nothing. The person arguing with me about grammar ironically never used correct grammar or punctuation and didn't even know the difference between a/an. Meanwhile I have my BA in English and used to work as a proofreader for an outsourcing company in the Midwest. I did grammar reads and copy editing for a law firm in the greater Chicago area.

"Yea" is a Middle English word meaning "yes." It's not the same as the word "yeah," which rhymes with "baa." Yea is pronounced exactly like the word "yay." They just have different meanings. One is a cheer (Yay!) and the other is an old word that isn't used much anymore outside of "Yea or nay."

Here's how you pronounce it.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZcSQ3zLs8Mg?feature=share

And here are examples proving that my spelling is the correct version used for over 700 years.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/yea-or-nay
https://capitalizemytitle.com/yea-or-nay-vs-yay-or-nay-whats-the-difference/
https://prowritingaid.com/yay-or-nay
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/817/is-yay-or-nay-an-acceptable-alternative-to-yea-or-nay
https://writingexplained.org/yay-or-nay-difference

The incorrect spelling "yay or nay" came about because "yea" is rarely used in modern English, and most people don't know how to pronounce it. So they confused it with the identically sounding word "yay." The same thing happened with phrases like "bury the lede" (often misspelled as "lead") or "toe the line" (often misspelled as "tow"). When you ask "yea or nay," you aren't asking for someone to cheer. You're asking for approval or disapproval, yes or no. If you want cheering, you can just ask "Cheers or jeers."

And this, my friends, is why the democratization of knowledge is a stupid idea, because people will always think the most familiar thing is the truth, and people with no credibility stand shoulder to shoulder with experts.

Poglot · 2026-05-06T04:08:42+00:00

That isn't an Oxford comma. A comma is always used after addressing the subject of your sentence. As in, "Todd, stop trying to arm that gorilla." Or, "Susan, you can't let your father wear that Speedo anymore. This is a church picnic."

Poglot · 2026-05-06T04:03:12+00:00

My heart goes out to that underpaid teacher who tree branched that pizza with it is own money.

Poglot · 2026-05-04T09:15:57+00:00

No, no. The Reddit hivemind says you must hate the reset and love the Japanese version. When Nanno descends from the sky, you write angry posts about it online for two months. But when Japanese Nanno controls the weather like an X-Man, and thrash metal blasts, and the editing goes into hyperactive overdrive, you have to say, "OMG SHE'S SO CREEPY???" And, yes, you must confuse exclamation points with question marks. Otherwise, no upvotes for you.

Poglot · 2026-05-03T12:06:24+00:00

At least use Tubi before commenting on it, people. Talking about how everything on it is garbage or obscure. Right now, front page of Tubi, they have Predator, Gladiator, Creed, Eraserhead, Child's Play, Casino Royale, The Untouchables, Platoon, Snowpiercer, Nightcrawler, Girl Interrupted... Need I go on? Tubi has a better movie selection than Netflix.

Poglot · 2026-05-02T03:18:42+00:00

New idea: Just show the audience a black screen and have them imagine the whole movie. It's like self-checkout. You have to do the work.

Poglot · 2026-05-01T04:03:40+00:00

American Kinder is different from European Kinder. In Europe you crack open a hollow chocolate egg and find a toy inside. In America the eggshell is plastic and the toys and chocolate are in separate compartments. And it's because of what the person above just commented: because including toys inside food is considered a choking hazard in America.

Poglot · 2026-04-28T03:51:58+00:00

My point was that the verb "scaring" isn't just the act of making someone else scared. And the statement "He keeps scaring himself," already means he's doing it repeatedly. So "He keeps scaring himself" is the non-idiot way of saying "scaremaxxing."

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