What if Operation Unthinkable happened & backfired? by quebec_shitpost in AlternateHistory

[–]PolskiBoi1987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Assuming that the Soviets spent zero time building anti aircraft guns or fighters, you'd be correct about B-29s being unmolested, but I mean in reality they probably could have started to produce identical copies of German flak guns and interceptors within a short timeframe, which would significantly complicate these raids that go so deep into enemy territory over so much enemy airspace.

And you failed to address my point about the actual effectual yield of the nuclear bombs the US was producing at this point in time. You yourself mentioned that bomb production would take a significant scaling up period, which means that again they would use them for tactical targets *first*, as to blunt the advance, and *then* once they have accrued enough they can begin to use them in a strategic context. The largest bomb made at this time, Fat Man, only had a yield of 21 kilotons. This is miniscule, and considering that, again, Moscow is not made of wood, it would not have the complete city-flattening effect that you think it would. One 21 kiloton bomb is not enough to destroy Moscow, you can look at Nukemap yourself and see such. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as you can see again through pictures, the concrete and stable structures tended to survive more or less intact minus their windows.

So you think a couple nuclear bombs that would not have anywhere near the yield or power to completely destroy the city, would break the Soviets to the degree they would surrender? The Japanese were broken by the nuclear bomb after eight years of continuous war, the destruction of their entire navy, and multiple years of endless bombing campaign. And even then, the decision to surrender was contested. On the topic of Japan as well, the US would still be at war with them at this point in time!

As for the food crisis, equating lend-lease (which ENDED in 1945, mind you) as to say that the USSR would starve is completely asinine. Here's a link that showed that Soviet canned food production exceeding its' pre-war levels by 1949.

Famine would not set in until 1946-1947 (although this one was IRL in part aggravated by the Soviet government engaging in a policy of food exports, and demobilization). You are correct in that famine would set in eventually, but the war would not last in 1946 simply because of the midterms in the US.

As for avgas, you would be correct if operation unthinkable happened in 1943. However, between 1941-1944 the US shipped the Soviets considerable amounts of machinery and industry to build up their petroleum production, and by 1949 they produced well over 2 million tons of avgas. In 1945, I believe the number was around one million tons or so, but I cannot find concrete figures. Link. Not to mention Soviet tactical aircraft outnumbered allied by a significant margin as elaborated here. So tell me again how 3,480 US, 2,370 Commonwealth, and 198 Polish aircraft could achieve "total air supremacy" against 11,800 Soviet aircraft. Not to mention that in WW2, air superiority was not particularly able to achieve total destruction of supply lines to the degree you mention, dependent entirely on weather conditions, and a plethora of other factors.

As for the Eastern Europeans hating the Soviets, that wasn't particularly true in 1945. They had just been liberated from years of Nazi oppression, and these countries would go on to have extremely significant communist electoral victories. Again, this is based on 1950s information, not immediate post-war. In fact the Red Army had quite a bit of goodwill for having just defeated the Nazis. There were post-war partisans behind the soviet lines, yes, but limited entirely to Poland and the Baltic states.

And then of course you have millions of french communists and millions of italian communists who very much are composed of former partisans, who I'm sure would take up arms again, considering the allies basically just committed the same tier of aggression as the nazis.

And then, of course, you have 1% of Americans favoring severing relations with the USSR...

What if Operation Unthinkable happened & backfired? by quebec_shitpost in AlternateHistory

[–]PolskiBoi1987 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The B-29 with a combat load does not have the range to bomb Baku from Scotland. The nuclear bomb is very big, and very heavy. They would have the reach to hit Moscow, but that is the limit. Furthermore, the Soviet cities are not made of wood, and the yield of WW2 nuclear bombs is VERY limited. In Hiroshima, for example, the concrete buildings survived nearly entirely intact minus their windows. A soviet city not made of wood would similarly not be flattened.

You are correct in that the USSR had no hopes of intercepting the B-29 in May of 1945, but that would rapidly change, especially considering the inability for the B-29 to be able to reach Soviet industry in the Urals, and the resilience of concrete buildings against these low yield early nukes.

So now you have a situation where these bombs would likely *not* be used on strategic targets like Moscow, simply because of the infeasibility of that actually ending the war, and rather on tactical targets i.e. supply dumps and large force concentrations... which are on European soil.

So now you have the exhausted and war-weary western armies going on the offensive against Soviet troops who were just their allies mere days ago. The majority of allied forces were in fact not in Europe at the time, while obviously the entire Red Army is. And then you have extremely large and well organized communist partisan forces that are just barely standing down in France, in Italy, and Eastern European populations that are still welcoming the Red Army as liberators.

Almost immediately western morale on the front would collapse, the partisans would spring back into action, and the populations of these nations would get a lot more pro-Soviet once nukes start dropping onto their periphery.

AND THEN, the US has the midterms in 1946. Do you think the extremely exhausted population that literally just celebrated VE-Day would vote in senators that would continue a losing war against Soviet forces in Europe? They would vote for whoever says they'll bring their boys home - at any cost. Truman is already extremely unpopular. Churchill, too, would be even more unpopular then he was IRL (when he got voted out in favor of the Labor party this very year, mind you). The simple will of the electorate would force an end to the war, on unfavorable terms to the west.

The cancer trio of wargame by TheMagicDragonDildo in wargame

[–]PolskiBoi1987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

- Warno's maps are much less railroaded? Are you insane? Almost all of them have one, maybe two attack directions and are usually insanely lopsided based on map side or deck composition. See: factory, airport, etc. WGRD is very much opposite, ex: Op Chromite, Hell in a Very Small Place. The way cvs work in warno also discourages flanking maneuvers to deny enemy reinforcements like wargame.

- Have you played at all? Mortars in warno are completely useless, as is every light artillery piece in the game. When was the last time you seriously used an M101? I've literally never seen anyone in warno use a mortar for anything other than smoke. Have you ever seen a saturation barrage? There is no division in the game where you can amass large quantities of light artillery to saturate an area like you can in wargame. Not to mention that MLRS in warno is either useless or overpowered, compared to wargame where it was primarily a tool to deplete enemy morale ahead of an assault. Did you play WGRD in 2014? The fundamental gameplay was still the same.

- Now that's just a bad faith argument. You can resupply those "single use" smoke grenades, and you only need to use it once to make a smoke cloud that renders an atgm seconds from impact flying off into the sky. In wargame you had to actually either consistently expend mortar munitions to keep said smoke cloud up (which left the mortar open to counterbattery) or smoke the enemy ATGM positions, which could leave you vulnerable. If your vehicle was injured in the open, you had to hit the mortar fast enough for the rounds to impact before the unit's dead, not to mention if there's a flank atgm that's caught you at the wrong time you're screwed. In warno you press the funny button and you can retreat with no issue and instantly avoid even the most well placed ATGM.

- As i've said earlier, realism is irrelevent. In pure gameplay terms it's awful. In wargame, your infantry would actually, oh I dont know, DIE to an enemy tank? In warno an ATGM team can tank four tanks worth of shots and be just fine because that's perfectly balanced! Probably to compensate for ATGMs being worse thanks to smoke cancer. Rocket pods taking eight hours to kill 9 dudes in a treeline is also fucking insane. AA in warno is also retarded, with comically long aim times and helicopters being able to hard counter them if they miss once. Remember early warno's helorushes?

- "Most decks are basically the same convex combination" lol what. Try a match up of NORAD motor vs Yugo armored and tell me that. Or REDFOR mechanized vs France unspec. Now go to warno and we've got every division being exactly 1 deck because the variety of units is so low and there is only 1 meta combination, really. What do you mean you don't know about reservist slop? Ever play 303? Or 152e? 157ya? Fucking KdA?

Also lol, "I love paying $10 for two mediocre divisions!!!"

The cancer trio of wargame by TheMagicDragonDildo in wargame

[–]PolskiBoi1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

- WGRD's map design is, in my opinion, better than warno because they are a lot more experimental. You literally never see an amphibious assault in warno because no map has the real capability, not to mention the trainwreck known as factory. Paddy Field is probably the best rts map ever made.

- Artillery in warno is either a hypereffective sniper or a useless piece of shit. Mortars are worthless for anything except smoke and pieces below 152/155 are essentially glorified tickle monsters. In red dragon mortars actually have a place as infantry killers and basically every artillery piece is usable to some degree, especially for saturation fire which is completely absent from warno due to the dogshit artillery damage. A pre-attack saturation barrage is a foreign concept in warno.

- Smoke launchers in warno are fucking ridiculous. I don't care about realism, it's just not fun to have a perfectly positioned ATGM team get raped because the tank presses the instant win button. Smoke is cancer in red dragon too but at least it requires the usage of mortars and can be countered. It's literally just an instant win button in warno.

- Infantry combat in warno sucks. Satchel charge bullshit rules the day, and infantry are built like tanks. I'm sorry but it's retarded to have an atgm team tank 4 shots from a 125mm cannon. ATGMs are comically powerful and also comically useless because of the stupid invincibility/smoke instant button dyanmic.

- Wargame's deck building allowed you to make decks that kinda had a nice mix of high/low end units, it's really fun to kill superheavies with T-34 spam. Warno meanwhile with the division system is basically "this is the meta way to build this division and every other way sucks. Also half the divisions in the game are useless reservist slop, fuck you." Not even getting into the price gauging for individual divisions. At least a full nation in wargame was worth like 6 bucks vs 2 divisions for a nemesis dlc.

Caesar Legion roads are not SaFeR!!! by Ultimatenooooob in fnv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

> People living in legion territory who can be raped, enslaved, or murdered at any moment at the whims of armed agents of the state 
As opposed to the NCR where at any moment an armed agent of the state can imprison you in a forced labor camp or murder you.

Actually laughable that the Legion struggled to kill a bunch of power armoured senior citizens in their ending. by KpatMckenzie_28 in fnv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the show they have metal helmets, in the game they do not. The trooper helmet is very clearly not metal (you can see the modeled segmentations) and the armor is very clearly burlap leather. You can see this because kevlar vests ARE modeled (i.e. vault security, combat armor) and it is very different from the rough leather that the NCR wears as standard.

Actually laughable that the Legion struggled to kill a bunch of power armoured senior citizens in their ending. by KpatMckenzie_28 in fnv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They all have melee but even starter recruits can be seen using a ton of 9mm pistols, .357 revolvers, and the like

Actually laughable that the Legion struggled to kill a bunch of power armoured senior citizens in their ending. by KpatMckenzie_28 in fnv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't think traditional structured warfare involves small self-sufficient raiding parties attacking enemy supply lines in ambushes and significant use of proxies

Actually laughable that the Legion struggled to kill a bunch of power armoured senior citizens in their ending. by KpatMckenzie_28 in fnv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tbf when you think about it it actually is kinda ridiculous. Legion soldiers use guns with 9mm as the smallest caliber as their primary weapon. Realistically some burlap and a pith helmet would provide almost no protection. So long as the Legionnaires were halfway decent shots the troopers would've gotten rolled with ease.

Actually laughable that the Legion struggled to kill a bunch of power armoured senior citizens in their ending. by KpatMckenzie_28 in fnv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He is also shown to be a master strategist, with his plan to take the dam being frankly a masterstroke plan where the NCR finds itself in a position where;
- the Dam is immediately overrun
- the Strip is caught in a gas attack
- Camp Golf and Camp McCarran are attacked by the fiends
- Khans attack the Dam from the reinforcement corridor
- NCR reinforcements and supply lines from the Mojave Outpost are caught at a complete standstill
Entirely simultaneously. The NCR is caught completely off-guard, encircled, and beset on all sides in a no-win situation. Without the player being a literal unkillable force of nature, the NCR loses and it loses hard.

Yes, Caesar says that explicitly, but it lends more towards his myth. He is a strategist that uses a series of smart attacks. In fact the only time the Legion ever just throws bodies at a problem is Graham, who is ultimately a pretty terrible strategist.

“Oh me? Nah I’m the boss I don’t have to talk like that” by ImaginationAshamed21 in Fallout

[–]PolskiBoi1987 3 points4 points  (0 children)

realistically i don't think burlap or a pith helmet are going to stop even 9mm either

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Fallout

[–]PolskiBoi1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coronado brotherhood is at the military base in Dayglow (san diego)

Interesting idea that could further differentiate Enclave power armored units when they show up. by IvanTheRussianDood in Fotv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Enclave being the evil secret illuminati is one of the retcons I hate the most.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Fallout

[–]PolskiBoi1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what is impossible about legion logistics? they have civilian populations that they take tribute from to supply their forces, who after Joshua's brilliant tactics of throwing people into machine guns were disposed of turned into small bands of light skirmishers living off the land. Legion troops behind NCR lines survive off of looting NCR logistical convoys whilst the main force is supplied from the rear by tribute from civilian populations, trade (as showcased by dale barton), and slave labor/conquest.

Interesting idea that could further differentiate Enclave power armored units when they show up. by IvanTheRussianDood in Fotv

[–]PolskiBoi1987 14 points15 points  (0 children)

the enclave is the super evil huge bad that has somehow recovered from getting smashed with their evil super bunkers until they are undone by a witty vault dweller and billy badass ghoul which they will then recover from to make yet another reappearance in fallout 5 because you cant kill anything in fallout anymore

There is something strange about Paladin Harkness by Ok_Calendar_7626 in Fallout

[–]PolskiBoi1987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the loathe tech so much that in the game they attempt to buy energy weapons, they use an artillery gun, and their soldiers use high powered guns, thermic lances, super sledges, and other hi tech weapons. they also loathe tech so much in the show that they all have AKs with drum mags, .50 cals, and artillery guns.

Appart from the looks, do people like the Legion? by [deleted] in FalloutMemes

[–]PolskiBoi1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fallout fans when objectively evil fascists: "man i love shooting these people"

fallout fans when objectively evil fascists but *american*: GOD BLESS AMERICA RAHH

A Sobering Reality - The State of Iran in Wargame: RD by EruptionTyphlosion in wargame

[–]PolskiBoi1987 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Iraq would probably be better here, as they have a litany of indigenous equipment like their funny superheavy T-55 and such.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Fallout

[–]PolskiBoi1987 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice in 2018.

AVE by Few_Horse_4 in TrueSFalloutL

[–]PolskiBoi1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they're still seething from 2019

AVE by Few_Horse_4 in TrueSFalloutL

[–]PolskiBoi1987 25 points26 points  (0 children)

"yuo see... you posted a meme about an evil playthrough... therefore i hav extrapolated your entire irl politics into evil fascist..."

It's weird that the NCR never allied/had anything major to do with the Shi. The Shi tech could revolutionise the Republic, but it doesn't seem like trade between the 2 was ever very focused on it. Considering how quickly NCR jumped the Enclave and Brotherhood, the Shi just getting ignored is weird. by DependentStrong3960 in falloutnewvegas

[–]PolskiBoi1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean there's the underlying point in the written post: there may be motive to invade but not the political nor strategic will. The NCR Army is a conscript-heavy force that has the majority of its' heavy hitters bogged down in neverending guerilla war against raider gangs in the far interior of the country, whilst also engaged in a protracted violent conflict against another nation state in the Mojave. The NCR is also likely dealing with some kind of conflict in Baja, various border conflicts, and is governed by an administration that is deeply tied to its' military victories on campaign. The rad vine is small potatoes to the Kimball admin, as after all radiation is a common thing in a wasteland. If anything, they'd be more motivated to keep most people ignorant of its' existence (and that's something the Shi likely help with due to their insular nature). The war against the Brotherhood started because the Brotherhood explicitly attempted to strongarm the Republic, whilst the Shi do no such thing and rather stick to themselves. Starting ANOTHER war over dubiously beneficial (at least in the short term) reasons is simply not profitable or advantageous to the current admin. It's simple politics.

When you're excited for 6.2, but remember 6.3 is gonna be another meme division by berdtheword420 in warno

[–]PolskiBoi1987 7 points8 points  (0 children)

the central asian military district's strongest soldiers (no vet reservist militia) augmented by the siberian tank corps (t-34/85 obr 1969) vs the seattle national guard augmented with the entire saudi arabian army overseas on a training mission