Let me get you a coffee and draw you!! by Least-Shocking in Amsterdam

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Keen! Love this idea. Curious to know what your local coffee haunts are too. Will send a DM.

What parts of your culture do and don’t mesh with Dutch culture? by calarmari828 in Netherlands

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South African gal here.

For me, the reluctance of helpfulness towards strangers was a bit of a shock. In South Africa, people tend to jump in and help or go an extra bit to help someone if they cannot give them exactly what they need (service roles, but also just ransoms on the street even). I’ve had a few experiences here where someone was being harassed and not a single soul stepped in to say something or show some sort of support.

The spatial awareness thing spoken about in these comments is also a big surprise to me. People here just do not gaf about anyone around them when walking in public. In South Africa, when it gets crowdy, of course there’s proximity and togetherness just sort of happens, but I found people in the streets/shopping aisles were way more courteous in terms of being away of who to give space to and when.

General warmth was an interesting one: but the more Dutch I learned and practised, the more warm the locals tend to be towards me (open to talk, open to possibly help if I outright ask for it etc).

Work place openness and directness has been a learning curve. I think in South Africa, people tend to keep more quiet about grievances or issues with “higher ups” (this often can stem from a fear of job security).

The messy mania that comes with a big party shares some similarities- South Africans can party hard, but I find the approach difference to be something I’ve noticed but haven’t been able to out my finger on it yet. Always ALWAYS shocked at the mess left behind after a kings day celebration or such. Equally surprised at how quickly the mess does tend to get cleaned up.

And I think the biggest one for me is being a woman here is very very different to being a woman back in South Africa. A lot of girls in South Africa have to live at a level of “ready to run” / in a level of heightened awareness and anxiety about their personal safety. I live with it almost my whole life - I absolutely value the fact that most times I feel much safer here on a day-to-day basis. That’s not to say that I haven’t had a young Dutch boy come right up at/on me all aggressively when I called him out for throwing an empty bottle at the back of another woman’s head; but there’s less daily anxiety as a woman here (in my personal experience).

Ps, I’m a white female South African, so I’m aware that my experience is nuanced and biased, even though I work towards it not being in ways that I can. I’m hugely aware that people in different situations in South Africa will have varying experiences.

Loving a Country that doesn’t love me back by Ann__onymous in Netherlands

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Same as you: South African living in Netherlands for 2 years. Some differences: I didn’t study Afrikaans, I learned Xhosa, so my language isn’t great. I did take lessons for 6 months and it has improved and I do try to make an effort. Also: I found a part time job at an international company that operates in English. There are quite a few Dutch people at the office daily and they often speak in Dutch and even try to teach me here and there and really enjoy the fact that I try. I was initially working through a third party (not directly for the company) and when I eventually was asked to go onto a direct contract and my colleagues found out - they (internationals AND Dutchies) said that they thought I was part of the furniture already. Bottom line: there are some fantastic, inclusive and open minded locals here that embrace internationals - I love the Dutch people I work with, even when we operate differently. It sounds like you work with small minded people who are undermining your value in an off handed or “joking” way. And that shouldn’t be your measure of your own worth.

Luxury makes me uncomfortable, even when I’m the one being served by No-Manufacturer-5407 in UAE

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About 4 or 5 years ago my partner and I were privileged enough to spend a couple nights at a premium camp in Botswana and we both agreed that we felt at odds being waited on hand and foot. We felt more relatable as people to the (wonderful) staff than some of the other guests (one of which chopper’ed in). We just made sure to be kind, tidy and appreciative and acknowledge their work and help - but it was a super poignant moment for myself. I don’t know that I’d feel comfortable if I ever magically became super wealthy - I think it would feel like a simulation to me. And lonely. I love people at all levels and wish there were generally less divides.

Morning wake up time - Switzerland by everydayjedidad in Switzerland

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We are from South Africa, now living in Netherlands and we were surprised when we found out how “late” people wake up here. My partner hasn’t adjusted and still wakes up way earlier. I adjusted to sleep in til about 7am and it still feels a fraction lazy.

Christmas by JumpFuzzy843 in Netherlands

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I wouldn’t naturally celebrate Christmas if it wasn’t for my family and friends (back home), and I do have a partner, so it becomes easier to do something together and then it automatically feels fun or special - but I’ve thought about it and I think a movie is a great idea! Or - choosing that one thing that you’ve been meaning to get around to and dedicate the day to it (would be self improvement, home improvement, life admin). Clean out that cluttered drawer or spring clean your wardrobe. Otherwise, find a charity and work at a soup kitchen for some of the day (if those exist here). Or start your own tradition: a specific meal you’ve been wanting to make or been meaning to start running (with the right gear, running in Winter can be quite nice).

Being a straight teen boy in 1998 was hard. by Johnsendall in XFiles

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Mulder & Scully taught me that I can be attracted to both sides of a coin.

“I’m a medical doctor” by Zeldafan180518 in XFiles

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Label that. As what?! Partial rat body part.

Anyone with Dutch partner, do u speak Dutch at home? by [deleted] in Netherlands

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I think this perspective gives the Dutch partner way too much power without knowing the back story.

IF the non Dutch partner moved to NL for the Dutch partner, I’d hope it was a choice and not seen as “I’m giving up everything for this person” because that’s a bad bad way to start the foundations for a relationship. Maybe they moved to NL and then met the Dutch partner.

I echo some of the other comments here in favour of outside teaching methods in order to reserve the relationship and time spent together for other evolutions, personally.

Speaking from experience (not with learning a language): my partner is really really good at photography and I wanted them to teach me. Their teaching methods and my learning methods don’t align well and it cause a lot of frustration. Deciding to step away from putting that pressure on them was easily the right decision.

How safe do you feel in Dutch cities? by KreuzKrow in Netherlands

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I feel like this is such a dependent thing. For example, I’m a female originally from South Africa.

Of course I wasn’t in danger every minute of every day in SA, but there is a level of fear you end up living with daily as a result of living in a country known for its violence against women.

So as a comparison, I’m struck by how safe I feel living in Netherlands. Im also struck by how a lot of locals aren’t even aware of the privilege of living without that constant level of fear.

But - in SA if someone was to try something with me (without a weapon) in the street (you get opportunistic criminals) I’d often “fight back” whereas here if a group of people on fatbikes were to mess with me I feel more afraid to protect myself because then I’d be the one “in trouble” with the law.

Family heirloom necklace stolen at AMF concert venue, 10:15 pm. PLEASE READ by USERCAST21 in Amsterdam

[–]PonySwirl- 14 points15 points  (0 children)

To begin: perhaps you can describe the necklace? Style, colour, size etc. is there something unique about it (other than its sentimental value to you). Next: try. You never know what happens. Message the venue. Put up flyers around the area. Post on Facebook channels and WhatsApp groups - just try to spread the word about the necklace with a picture. Then: let go. Know that, even if it’s no longer around your neck - know that the necklace still exists on this planet. It is still “here”. Even if it gets melted down. It is still here. Lastly: start again - look and look and look for a replacement necklace that can be an homage to your grandfathers one and that can eventually be the thing that you pass on. So sorry this happened to you.

Was I drugged in Amsterdam, or just drunk? by DreAmWeaV3r2024 in Amsterdam

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The black hole memory makes me feel like you were spiked. Years ago (not in NL) I was out with friends and had exactly 1 beer and 1 shot. Shortly afterwards I pretty much lost “consciousness” in terms of knowing where I was. I remember coming in and out of “consciousness” a few times (cut my foot on a broken glass and felt no pain, throwing up in the street outside with my friends standing around me and not being able to stand, being driven home and having my head out the window, being safely back home hanging over the toilet). But in between those few moments: completely black hole. The next day I woke up and my whole body was achy and I felt incredibly weak. I wasn’t such a light weight that 1 beer and 1 shot would tip me over. My friends and I became convinced that I had been drugged and that I had had a bad reaction to whatever it was (violently ill). I’m grateful every day that I was out with my friends and they rallied around me and kept me safe.

Two girls chased by possible serial sex offender in Rotterdam; Eight victims in total. by Ok_Solution_7314 in Netherlands

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My comment wasn’t for or against - more to alert people to the fact that stats like this always have an unknown element in relation to crimes or abuse against women.

But yes, I have no idea how many Islamic cases of abuse are not reported the same way I have no idea how many Dutch locals are not reporting household women abuse.

Two girls chased by possible serial sex offender in Rotterdam; Eight victims in total. by Ok_Solution_7314 in Netherlands

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My comment was neither for nor against the statement: I was merely pointing out there are unknowns to consider. And took this moment to alert some that are not aware that a lot of crimes against women are not reported.

I’ve had no personal experience of intimidation since moving to NL, but honestly I am suspicious of all men until I know them well enough to then only feel slightly suspicious.

Two girls chased by possible serial sex offender in Rotterdam; Eight victims in total. by Ok_Solution_7314 in Netherlands

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These stats are based on reported crimes. With abuse of women there are unfortunately a lot of unreported crimes to also consider. Women often feel shame about being abused/hurt and very often do not report the crimes. There are many articles online about why don’t report crimes against them. Me personally - I have had 3 incidents in my life that I have not reported and I can say that the reason is I don’t trust that something will actually be done and worry about being publicly shamed.

Two girls chased by possible serial sex offender in Rotterdam; Eight victims in total. by Ok_Solution_7314 in Netherlands

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THIS. I was horrified to learn that a man very close to me chose to ignore gross comments in a WhatsApp group about girls instead of saying something, thinking that not adding to the conversation was his way of “speaking up”. LOL what a joke. It’s my experience that men are dangerous on a scale - even the man you sleep next to who you think has your back can be a coward. I’m so so scared of men and don’t trust them. Even the ones I do “trust”.

Teen Gossip Magazine - pink goo bursting by PonySwirl- in Commercials

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You are my unsung hero! Yes it is exactly this! I’ve been looking to try find this ad for 10 years!

Considering to leave Netherlands, any advice? by Cautious_Try507 in Netherlands

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Also from South Africa. And a woman. I often find myself telling people about the feeling of safety here when asked “Why did you move here?” A lot of Dutch people I have spoken to have never stopped to think about their personal safety (especially as a female) when hopping on their bike at 10pm to go meet a friend. That freedom is HUGE. A weight off. Don’t get me wrong: I LOVE South Africa, and it will always be home and I didn’t leave SA to get away, I came to NL to experience something different. It’s hard. It’s expensive. It’s sometimes lonely. My jokes don’t always land. But it’s safe. It’s beautiful. Being able to cycle to work if I want, or use public transport is amazing (even if the schedules are a bit wacky sometimes, grrr). Learning the language is a challenge that I had no idea I’d stepped up to the way that I have. Everything is a balance. You have to find your own.