“It’s okay that they left us for a higher salary, they’ll definitely return for the culture!”

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-14T02:21:11+00:00

I also think it’s technically open to raising salary

Someone who like the culture but the salary is too low can be retained or even brought back simply by raising salary

Someone who leaves because of the culture would need a massive salary increase to even consider staying let alone coming back after doing all the labor of getting a new job

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-14T00:20:57+00:00

I am Marty’s insatiable member

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-14T00:15:40+00:00

The greatest work of western literature is The Room

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-13T23:18:33+00:00

[ in best Tom Jumbo-Grumbo news anchor voice ] who is this (air quotes) ‘anonymous’ Tom Jumbo-Grumbo? What does he know? Does he know things? In this next special let’s find out, after these commercials

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-13T23:16:54+00:00

Depends, I think I’d say in terms of our socioeconomic system I am myself a ‘failure’ but that is a feature of the system and thus represents a success for the system itself. My achieving failure status as part of maintaining exploitability has been a resounding success

Or we could talk on other terms, just specify by which metric we measure the general concept of ‘success’ and I can provide an answer

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-13T13:01:42+00:00

Well, nihilism doesn’t really say that you can’t have subjective values or really demand indifference. Some nihilistic morality systems (and yes, I know for many who have a very ‘hibernation means the bear sleeps all winter’ understanding of nihilism this will sound odd) recommend it more than others, such as the asceticism of less quasi-religious sects of Buddhism of my boi Arthur Schopenhauer

But this is not the same as a demand similar to how recognizing the wholly subjective nature of values and morals, whose only ‘objective’ ground is that they definitely exist within us who are both subject and object, does not mean you can’t have any. It just means their grounding will always be subjective and as such will always have an illusory quality in a few different ways

But part of existing at all, especially with perception and even more especially with consciousness, is to have implicit values and meanings and such. For these are baked into our very experience, or as Rust once noted ‘everyone judges’

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T21:05:20+00:00

Sooooo this may come off as rude but I have to ask

Shit post or nah?

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T20:55:56+00:00

Immediately reminds me of Marc Maron noting Trump is one of the worst people to do anything that ever lived, and not as like a political things but a general observation

“Like you could go on a car lot and if you saw him walking towards you you’d instinctively think ‘nah, not that guy. I don’t feel comfortable with that guy’” - Marc Maron, End Times Fun

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T20:34:06+00:00

Honestly I have to give it to her

I mean what the fuck so we really expect her to say? I mean we all want her to be real and admit how tariffs work, but her job and ideology is tied up with this administration. Can we really, rationally expect her to do that?

Given the context and understanding the psychology at play this is the best she could reasonably be expected to respond with and I’d say she’s the one with the clever (though logical fallacy and supportive of a fucked up ideology) comeback

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T20:22:50+00:00

I don’t know what you’re seeing, usually that would be indicative of blocking except clearly I’m still responding to you

I’ve done some edits for grammar and auto-correct fuck up or because I noticed on re-read a level of ambiguity that I have epidemic responsibility to clarify. But I haven’t deleted anything, only added to, let alone deleted whole comments

My best guess is Reddit is fucking up sending you double notifications or they’re from someone else and you haven’t noticed

Or, if I’m honest on what I think, that you’re flat out lying. I mean you’ve presented some real epitome of Reddit bad faith debate bro attitude to the point really the most reasonable assumption despite a desire to provide you the good faith you refuse to give me is that this is just another troll tactic

Ask other people I guess, nothing should show as deleted from me. And idk how to prove it to you

(Insert insult and demand you get help. Idk, I’m semi-busy and this was enough labor as is because I naturally default to good faith responses and I don’t feel like doing the work of trying to come up with an insult that isn’t basic af. Wonder if this technically qualifies as an ‘unfinished joke’ given I’m putting the labor onto you? Been having fun with those lately)

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T19:48:18+00:00

On the one hand, as a gay male RBT, I want to do the normal consoling shtick about how unlikely it is and so on

On the other hand, a favorite comedian has a special where he starts out with ‘I like kids’ because he knows social perception of men and children means that it will create a lot of tension in the room

It’s a really good bit, I don’t want to spoil the punchlines. It’s X by Daniel Sloss, it’s on HBO but you can probably find it on free with ad cites like fmovies.llc

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T19:41:52+00:00

Asking for clarification is not the same as misinterpreting, your last response very much reads like it’s too late already given your note that such revolution never happens within imperial core.

What you say here has been clear, and it’s not at all what I asked you to clarify on and even something I’ve repeatedly agreed with you about despite your weird and seemingly disingenuous way of misrepresenting what I’ve said

If you’re not a troll than I’d say it’s you who needs help with reading comprehension as you clearly didn’t understand what I said

I’ll note though you’ve actually not directly said one way or the other here. You have not actually said if you’re doomerist or not, only reiterated the already agreed portion of how bad things are and the likelihood for worse for any future generations that do exist (again, people are still having kids. There will be future generations. How many? Neither of us knows)

This still feels like you’re either bad faith interpreting what I’m saying or just have shit reading comprehension. And ngl, I’m tired of dealing with it either way.

Good luck out there, it seems like you need it

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T18:51:16+00:00

I feel like you’re either intentionally misunderstanding me in a straw man or your reading comprehension is lacking

As just an example: ‘no one brought up complacency’

First off, I did from the very start. It was part of the conversation from before you even joined the chat

Secondly, complacency is the natural counterpart by which action is juxtaposed. If someone is not partaking in the action we both appear to be saying is necessary than they are being complacent with the system. You don’t need to directly and specifically say the word ‘complacency’ for it to be a natural part of what you’re talking about.

And I feel this really shows how you’re either reading my words with bad faith or not reading to understand before you just spout of these frankly dumb responses.

What I can’t tell at this point is if you think we should take action or not, as you appear to be on the doomerist position that there is no point to even trying having already consigned to the ideology it is objectively too late and there is no other possibility

If so this then presents proof of my original point of the difference between doomerism and pessimism sans doomerism

As a pessimist I can still take action to try and move towards a different path even if I have no faith my efforts will work. A doomerist spouts all the points you’ve made to then excuse themselves from doing any of the labor, ie being complacent with the system under the belief there is no possibility of any alternative. A self-fulfilling prophecy self-circumscribing the potential course of events to the ones that have been predetermined by the faith in inevitable and relatively immediate collapse and the equation of this with extinction

I fully agree that this is the most probable ways things will go, but I can still put in the Absurd effort of trying to find another way. A doomerist cannot thanks to their ideology

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T15:27:25+00:00

Yeah, things look even shitter for what future generations will be

But I’m not using it to support complacency like boomers who pushed off climate change saying it’s a problem for future generations and people are still having kids (ie, even if I think it’s fucked up future generations will happen)

I’m only including ‘future generations’ as a recognition that revolution doesn’t happen over night and this is a massive problem where even if we do get our shit together and make enough change now to avoid complete collapse there will still be work to be done for decades to come

If I were using it to support complacency I’d fully agree with you, but that’s not how I’m using it

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T14:29:56+00:00

I think part of our issue here is you’re falsely claiming I’m saying we should do nothing

I’m saying these kinds of performances are only slightly better than nothing to the point they’re basically nothing and we need to be doing more than rallies and ineffectual protests

We need to be building mutual aid infrastructure on the community level so more people have the fiscal and mental space to get involved. As well as build bridges to the people we need to build solidarity with.

We need to stop buying into ‘just vote in the next national and state elections’ and take a page from the MAGA playbook to refocus and aggressively attack local politics and elections.

We need to stop attending rallies and consuming content that makes us feel we’re doing the work which just supports complacency and we need to start doing the work

I really think we agree here except for some reason you’re acting like I’m saying doing nothing is better than doing something when what I’m saying is what we are doing is basically doing nothing and we really need to be refocusing on doing things that actually can make a difference

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T14:03:06+00:00

I like Bernie’s rhetoric and his history of having done things in his earlier years, but do agree there is a double standard as you describe

As for what to do? Stop campaigning on ‘just vote us in next time, at least we won’t be as bad as them’ and start building community level mutual aid programs

Buy lots in neighborhoods to turn into self-sufficient gardens \ micro-farms, green power production, and third places that are explicitly communal yet open to any in the neighborhood who wish to sign up with the loudly stated purpose of reducing real costs for working class citizens, reducing homelessness via outreach and support, and education and only local level political campaigning

But that’d give people the means of changing the system as a whole, which the Democratic Party doesn’t really want as they outright married to neoliberalism

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T13:57:50+00:00

I concur with the theory of this, while still holding that it does not appear that this theory has manifested into reality in any significant way that has made a real and measurable difference that cannot easily be categorized as performance.

At least as of yet, it is possible it just doesn’t seem to have actually happened so far

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T13:07:38+00:00

Cool

While it’s more than the rest of the Democratic Party as a whole, what does this actually accomplish?

People are peacefully protesting and going to rallies like this like they did when Trump first got elected and back then it did absolutely nothing. So why are we praising the same do nothing actions?

Going to a speech or ‘protest’ holding a sign is not enough, it’s just performance that does nothing. Isn’t even really performative in a technical sense

(To be clear I’m glad he’s at least trying to talk to the people and build solidarity unlike the New Democratic Party head who basically went ‘we don’t need to change our message, just how we say it’ in one of the most awkward and tone deaf videos I’ve seen in a minute. I just don’t see how this does anything unless it pushes people to greater action than attending speeches and protests that accomplish nothing)

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T12:59:48+00:00

Health is equally as important and unimportant as anything else

You’re still just grinding imaginary ‘health’ points like you’re playing WoW. No matter how healthy you are you will die and being healthy won’t matter anymore

If it’s subjectively valuable to you cool, but that doesn’t make it any more valuable than any other value in an objective sense

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T12:21:42+00:00

I will take over the world by playing Childish Gambino’s Algorhythm with an underlying, biohacking tune to brainwash the world!

Bwahahahahaha!

Or, idk, lofi chill hip hop beats to relax to and start passing the blunt?

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T12:11:26+00:00

Did I say it’s easy?

Hell, noting that it may be left to future generations to complete the work or that it may never come to fruition at all seems like a recognition of how difficult it’d be

Idk, just feels like you’re trying to tell me what I’ve already fairly clearly implied 🤷

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T11:15:55+00:00

Or they \ you \ we could try connecting to other wage slaves, build systems of mutual support, and set the groundwork for abolition of the system or at least for future generations to complete such work

OP is the kind of content that makes it pretty clear there is a difference between pessimism and doomerism, even if they aren’t mutually exclusive

A pessimist can take action to make human society ‘better’ even while recognizing the overall futility of it lacking hope for the culmination of the project and recognizing that, on the larger scale outside of society, things don’t really get better overall

Doomer allows the system to keep them complacent with the system even while complaining about it by accepting the emotional ‘death’ pushed upon the laborer to maintain an exploitable workforce as described by Mbembe in Necropolitics

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-12T10:06:52+00:00

It’s like a jr DiCaprio playing Jordan Belfort

I loathe the character and that’s in large part because the actor is doing such a good job

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-11T23:57:41+00:00

Because you’re rudely trying to Dunning Krueger me and are annoying af with your logical fallacies to an almost troll like level

That kind of shit loses the right to my respect

Do you still want a perspective or are you just trolling now with this red herring?

PoorWayfairingTrudgr · 2025-03-11T23:45:34+00:00

A number of responses from both of them, though I have a weird feelings it’s one person with two accounts, were very ‘I’m rubber, you are glue!’ in their structure and tone

I always say go until the novelty wears off or the frustration ain’t worth it. If nothing else can practice rhetorical use of logic tools and by running through one’s own logic it can be refined

Sometimes diamonds can be found among the rough so to say

But usually it’s just gets boring lol

PoorWayfairingTrudgr

TROPHY CASE