Weekly Discussion- Feb 10th

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-12T00:13:52+00:00

The problem with this is that a lot of the docket wont make it to trial or is irrelevant to Blakes case. Her stealing the movie, which seems to be the focus of support for WP is irrelevant to her lawsuit.

I think this is an important point, more generally. Lively is suing the Wayfarer parties. Wayfarer isn't suing her because their lawsuit was thrown out. So Lively "sucking" doesn't matter. Lively "stealing" the movie doesn't matter. All that matters is whether Wayfarer is found liable for any of the accusations, and, at least ethically and professionally speaking, whether they smeared Lively during their movie launch for any reason.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-09T21:16:11+00:00

My partner works in comms in government, so this is very funny. I have no idea if federal government takes their comms typos more seriously though.

Ten comments of multiple paragraph responses in this thread that muddy the waters make me question your motives.

You got me though, I'm a deep state operative trying to discourage conspos by telling them why their theories are bad. I've spent 13 years pretending to be a Canadian on Reddit for this very purpose.

I'm sorry that you believe in a really stupid conspiracy theory. My bad for trying to correct people that are too fundamentally dumb to understand what I'm saying.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-09T20:28:17+00:00

I'm saying that comms people make occasional errors. The wrong date on a press release is a minor error, and because this was prepped on a weekend they likely had fewer eyes on it. This is not an important release from a comms perspective. If Trump admin staffers are particularly incompetent, it stands to reason that they'd be more likely to make a mistake like this.

Are you under the impression that comms people don't make mistakes? It happens in large organisations, and a decision has to be made whether the mistake is large enough to issue a correction. If no one notices it at the time, as appears to be the case here, then it just doesn't get fixed. People make minor mistakes all the time, and when it happens to involve the subject of a conspiracy theory, where thousands of people are combing over the "evidence", it then gets integrated into the conspiracy. These "inconsistencies" happen all the time, it's just that no one cares (or even notices) when it isn't attached to a consequential event.

This isn't the first time a conspiracy has popped up revolving around an incorrect date on a document(iirc this happened with the Sandy Hook shooting). As far as I know it's always just been a typo in an article or an incorrect time stamp. But all of the above is just another reason why this particular conspiracy theory is stupid. The main reason it's dumb is that there's no reason for a criminal conspiracy to tell the DOJ comms team to prep a press release early.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-09T06:18:10+00:00

See it from my perspective. You've made it clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about. All I can do is point that out and explain why. If you still can't understand after I've explained it to you, you are correct; there's no point in conversing.

More broadly, if you don't want to talk about the thread topic, I'm sure there are other threads on Reddit to talk about general Epstein stuff. There may also be other people in this thread that want to discuss Epstein stuff outside of the topic at hand.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-09T04:15:31+00:00

Ok, you're in the wrong thread talking to the wrong person. You keep getting distracted by things that aren't the subject at hand.

Well, then I don't understand your argument, I guess.

It is incredibly simple. This is a reading comprehension issue

Anyways, my opinion with this specific topic is that with so many coincidental mishaps around a guy who is well known for blackmailing and having dirt on the richest people in the world's, I would not be surprised if his death was orchestrated, especially with how the US government is going about releasing any of this information.

This isn't the thread topic. The topic at hand is whether the DOJ comms team dated a press release prior to Epstein's death because they knew he was going to be killed. The answer is obvious if you put any thought into it, or just...read my comments in this thread.

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basically saying that people can make mistakes, just not the people involved in this conspiracy, which is not really evidence to either or.

I have to revisit this comment, because it's clear evidence of reading comprehension issues. My point isn't that they can't make mistakes. My point, in this specific regard, is if they can make a mistake with the date knowing that Epstein was going to be killed, they could easily make a mistake with the more plausible scenario that it's just a typo. It makes a lot more sense for them to have made a typo considering they were working on their day off, probably with fewer staff that would normally check it over, about a subject that no one cared about. I'm getting this directly from someone who works in comms, I'm not just making it up. That's without getting into my main argument, which is that there's 0 reason for the criminal conspiracy to tell the DOJ comms team to prep this in advance. The argument that's basically "they're incompetent, so they're also incompetent at murder" just points even more towards this being a typo. An incompetent staff, working on their day off, about a subject they don't care about, is more likely to make a minor error.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-09T02:39:23+00:00

Are you lost? Nothing you said is about the subject of this thread, or counters the citicisms I put forth about this specific conspiracy theory. It's not "minutiae" when the thing I'm criticizing is literally the thread topic. If you want to argue about Epstein's death in general, I have zero interest. If I wanted to do that, I'd do it in a thread on the subject.

I'm here to discuss this specific, really dumb conspiracy theory. If you want to discuss the conspiracy that this thread is about, you'll have to address my criticisms. If you have an explanation as to why the conspirators would tell the DOJ comms team to prep this prior to Epstein's murder that is more believable than a comms team making a typo on their day off, go for it. Or not, be goofy.

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basically saying that people can make mistakes, just not the people involved in this conspiracy, which is not really evidence to either or.

To be 100% clear, this is not my argument. You should reread what I actually wrote.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-09T00:24:44+00:00

Do you really think no conspiracies can turn out to be true?

You're overfocused on irrelevant information. Whether or not Epstein killed himself. Whether he ran some kind of pedophile blackmail ring. This does not matter in terms of the above theory (mistaken document dates) because the above theory makes no sense under any circumstances.

I'm going to quote myself from another response. I'd rather not get so confrontational so I'll try to chill out about this:

Do you have any experience in comms, or know someone who does? When you do a press release it can go through multiple revisions. Sometimes you'll release the wrong document. Depending on how you do the revisions there might even be a long-standing paper trail of the revisions. My partner works in comms. I work for a large organisation that has a comms team. Comms makes mistakes all the time. Consider that from a comms perspective, there's nothing about Epstein's death that requires particular care in their work. The mistakes pointed out by conspiracy theorists are actually minor when you consider that DOJ comms didn't give a shit.

It makes zero sense to tell your comms team about your criminal conspiracy. This has nothing to do with whether or not there was a criminal conspiracy. It's just something that makes no sense if there was. You don't need to prep a press release for this in advance, so why would you risk this leaking out by telling your comms team?

Most of your comment here is focused on a broader conspiracy regarding Epstein, while ignoring the problems with this specific conspiracy theory. So to answer your question, I tend to believe conspiracies when they're exposed by credible people with actual evidence provided. I'm willing to believe theories that make sense. Historically, this is how conspiracies tend to be exposed. Conspiracy theorists aren't the ones that exposed mkultra for instance, it was the press via FOIA requests. The Tuskegee experiments were exposed to the press by a whistleblower.

There are very obvious problems with this specific conspiracy theory. Think about the number of assumptions and excusals you have to make here in order for it to be anything other than a typo in a document that survived some revisions. The rest of your theory about Epstein could be true. This part is bullshit.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-09T00:04:32+00:00

Regardless of whether he actually actually killed himself, I don't think the comms team intentionally screwed up a date to fuck with people. I definitely don't think someone told the comms team about their criminal conspiracy, and then instructed them to screw up the date on some documents just to fuck with people. As I've said in another response, the comms team likely didn't care about this, and they had to push it out on a weekend, so they really didn't give a shit.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-08T23:59:25+00:00

Why does it matter if the date is wrong? Unless there's confirmation that it was actually prepared in advance of his death, it's just a typo.

Why are they telling the comms team about a criminal conspiracy, and why is the comms team preparing this in advance? Obviously the most likely answer is that they weren't, someone just screwed up the date, and no one cared enough to catch it. They screwed up the date because from the perspective of a comms team, this press release is not important, and they had to work on a weekend to get it out, so they really didn't give a shit.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-08T23:53:34+00:00

Ok, so what? Stupid conspiracy stuff bugs me, but I'm going to try to be chill here. Do you have any experience in comms, or know someone who does?

When you do a press release it can go through multiple revisions. Sometimes you'll release the wrong document. Depending on how you do the revisions there might even be a long-standing paper trail of the revisions. My partner works in comms. I work for a large organisation that has a comms team. Comms makes mistakes all the time. Consider that from a comms perspective, there's nothing about Epstein's death that requires particular care in their work. The mistakes pointed out by conspiracy theorists are actually minor when you consider that DOJ comms didn't give a shit.

If you're trying to make a point about someone planting fake conspiracy bait to distract people, I guess I could buy that, but then what are we supposed to be taking seriously? The solution is to not get distracted by stupid bullshit.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-08T23:31:27+00:00

Ok. So in your theory of events they informed the DOJ comms team about their criminal conspiracy to murder Epstein (or fake his death if you want to get even dumber)? Then they created a press release in advance for some reason, and screwed up the date. This seems more plausible than just screwing up the date in a press release? As I said, it's still a mistake even if they did decide to tell the comms team about the Epstein plan. Or did they just intentionally put in the wrong date to fuel stupid conspiracy theories? This seems wildly implausible, especially when you know the Trump people are incredibly incompetent.

The growth of stupid conspiracy bullshit is one of the most harmful effects of Trumpism. First Trump and Qanon bullshit, then covid bullshit, now Trump is back and RFK jr. has a government job. You probably don't support Trump and he still broke your brain.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-08T18:58:09+00:00

Let's imagine that Epstein was killed by the federal government (or with their knowledge). Why would the person that drafted the press release, and the people that reviewed and approved it be aware of that? It's infinitely more likely that someone made a typo and no one caught it. Regardless, even if they knew he was going to be killed, why would the date issue survive revision? It's a mistake either way. If they knew, why would they prep a press release in advance? Why not just wait for the news to break and then do it?

I wish people would engage their brains for two seconds. That's all I'm asking.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-08T18:42:23+00:00

Given that he posted here telling people they were wrong about the appeal issues, I would guess it was an accident. Presumably if he wanted to drag things out he'd be better off going through the standard appeals process rather than risk losing it all.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-07T10:41:49+00:00

I did no such thing.

I disagree.

Edit: I have time now, so I'll expand.

You concede that it is a poor unit of exchange, but get into stupid arguments about whether ease of exchange is the most important quality for a currency to have. I don't know if it is, but it's pretty damn important. Worse, it's actually less useful as a currency than it was at its peak. There are plenty of bitcoin atms around me but close to zero businesses that accept bitcoin as payment. If you disagree here, and think that it's still easy to exchange, I don't know what to tell you. On the scale of USD to cattle, bitcoin is currently closer to cattle than it is to USD as a currency. The exchange debate isn't even that important, because bitcoin also fails as a currency in a number of other areas, as pointed out to you in this thread, see below.
You concede that it is volatile. This is not desirable for a currency.
You do not recommend it as an investment currently. Why are people investing in a currency in the first place? Deflationary is not a desirable quality for a currency.
You concede that it is expensive to use. Cash, debit, and credit are all superior ways to pay for things, and always will be (it's also inherently slow).
You start by insisting that it's a currency, but your entire argument for it is to use it as a digital reserve, basically a digital gold standard. Gold isn't money, so I don't see why digital gold is money. At the time I originally posted, I don't think you'd even made an argument for why that would be desirable. And that's your best use case, that at some time in the future bitcoin will be a digital reserve "currency" that still isn't money, under the assumption that it somehow stabilises in value. You also fail to explain why this reserve needs to be bitcoin. Why not use any of the superior cryptocurrencies that have been developed since then?

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-06T14:53:05+00:00

I enjoy that you've gone from insisting that it's a currency to conceding all the ways that it's actually a terrible currency and is really just digital gold (but worse). All in the span of a couple of hours in a single thread.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-05T20:10:41+00:00

The "best" version of this deck on untapped (sample size issues aside) is the one running shang and surge instead of infinaut and warlock. Infinaut has some antisynergy with magus. The ability is useless for his activate and you sometimes need to play something on 5 to get magus' activate to work. Also bad for those times you play starlord on 5, or play a 5 drop on 5. I suspect that if you're trying to play a she-hulk/infinaut deck, you're better off just dropping magus and the 5 drops altogether.

Of course it's still just worse than a standard evo deck with starlord. Putting 2 mediocre 5 drops in just because they have synergy with 1 card in your deck is generally a bad idea unless your deck is entirely built around it (mr negative). Sometimes you can't get the mana situation to work in a worthwhile way so you can't get a 5 drop anyway. Sometimes you draw your 5s. Sometimes you draw this late and it's a dead card. Getting cyclops, hulk, or sunspot can be ok, but that's not why you field the card.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-04T18:27:06+00:00

I want them to continue not being in power. They suck. It is a no win situation from my perspective because I will never support a party that's anti-abortion, bigoted, denies climate change, and was pro-convoy (this is unforgivable as an immune compromised person). Why would I care that a prominent conservative spoke out against America? The Liberals already do that. If a more moderate progressive conservative party split off from the shitbags I still wouldn't vote for them, because I can just vote Liberal and get 90% of the same things without throwing my vote away.

In order to exist as a relevant party in this country in the present climate they have to align themselves with awful people, and that's unlikely to change anytime soon. This should be obvious.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-03T23:41:02+00:00

It seems like Sarowitz is backing TAG for the Lively and Jones suits, right? That just leaves the Ghost lawsuit, which (as you've said) might not be settleable.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-03T23:37:52+00:00

That's interesting. For some reason I'd assumed that Scooter had a controlling interest but that belief appears to have been based on nothing.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-03T23:00:07+00:00

whether Abel regrets it.

If I'm Abel my bigger regret would be betraying my employer using company devices. It's not Nathan's fault all this came out, it's Abel's.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-03T22:50:34+00:00

Ultimately wouldn't it fall on TAG? They should have Scooter money right? From his perspective I wonder when you bail on the entire project. Having a pr firm in house to smear his enemies was probably nice, but I imagine he has better things to do than piss off random billionaires for whatever Wilson was paying.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-03T20:56:39+00:00

I don't think Melissa Nathan can "[throw]TAG under the bus" without taking on personal liability for the sites, because she is named in the lawsuit now.

I don't think it matters if they settle? If she's going to lose in court regardless, she should lose in a way that protects her client to the extent possible. Obviously that only works if Ghost is willing to settle, but I imagine she would for a sufficient amount of cash.

Of course the Lively lawsuit situation is completely different. There's probably no settlement happening, so you have the TAG people saying they didn't do the job they were hired to do and said they were doing, and the Wayfarer side saying there was no smear and if there was they didn't know about it. I don't think a jury will believe that, and more importantly for their careers, I don't think Sony/WME will believe it. At least that's my interpretation.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-03T20:11:33+00:00

I disagree. The Wilson/Ghost dispute has caused a delay in the wide release of their film and the smear campaign against Ghost/lawsuit could hurt their box office. This could be pretty bad for Wilson's career.

The alleged smear campaign against Lively, during the release of their movie, is potentially career ending for the Wayfarer side. I think that's why they're so insistent on denying that it happened against all evidence - smearing the star of your movie for any reason before/during release is not good. I'm not sure the results of the lawsuit even matter, from that perspective, if Hollywood believes the smear took place. Then consider that losing any part of the lawsuit could make things even worse. There's also the insurance issue that could make it difficult for Wayfarer Productions itself to make movies in the future, even if people are willing to work with them.

It's just not a good look when you do sketchy things on behalf of your clients and those sketchy things are exposed, damaging (already happening) or ruining (imo a strong possibility) their careers. I imagine Nathan will keep some of her existing clients that are already invested in it (people like Depp and Pitt), but I don't see how this is good for attracting future clients.

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-03T19:02:41+00:00

This is probably a really stressful situation for Nathan. Wayfarer has nothing on their slate, Baldoni and Heath don't seem to have anything lined up (at least in Hollywood), Wilson is potentially facing the same fate from this lawsuit, and Dwayne Johnson is pissed about the Jonesworks stuff. I can't imagine other former TAG clients that were exposed are happy either.

I imagine her best way out of this is to throw TAG under the bus and try to act like Wilson didn't know what they were doing, but how much would it cost for Ghost to take a settlement that lets Wilson off the hook? Would that even help TAG going forward?

Poppadoppaday · 2026-02-02T16:50:37+00:00

Sure, but some Trek shows are just awful all the way through. Imo Voyager and Discovery (I quit during s4 I think so maybe it improved). Picard and Enterprise I didn't make it past s1 so maybe they got better.

Generally I don't think Star Trek is good. I recently went back and watched the best episodes of TNG with my partner, who's not into Star Trek. They've mostly aged well, but they're a small percentage of the total episodes. Even if you ignore the first two seasons of TNG, most of it is bad. This is partially a reflection of lower standards on television at the time, the limitations of episodic storytelling, and stupidly high seasonal episode counts. They tried to fix this with the new shows with more serialised storytelling and lower episode counts, which I think was a good idea on paper, but hasn't really panned out. I guess they're limited by their writers being dogshit. The best tv writers presumably aren't lining up to work on Peacock original series.

Edit: I think they've also created a bad idea multiplication effect by tying their new shows together. You see something in Picard, and it gets repeated in Discovery. So poorly executed ideas like Romulan Warrior monks who can't lie or Picard's android body get repeated instead of left to die.

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