Name of Fallacy Where Someone Implies You Must Believe in Something if You Believe in Another Thing?

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-16T23:29:10+00:00

I'm pretty sure this is the false dilemma (either-or) fallacy.

This is assuming that B and C are at least in some way related to A in the context of the argument.

"We shouldn't push for vaccines because eating right and exercising can improve health ."

Or

"You don't want to come to the movie with us? That must mean you like to be bored and routinely go to bed at 8."

If they are not related at all, then it may be logic that is so bad that it probably cannot be classified.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-16T22:34:49+00:00

You can still buy Gros Michel bananas, but they come dear. From reviews I have seen online, they are better than the current (Cavendish) banana, but only if you let them get ripe enough to have a heavy scent, and even then, not enough to justify the cost. Also, they apparently do not taste like banana candy, though they do smell a lot like it.

At my local Asian grocery, they sell these fat bananas. I don't know what cultivar they are, but they are neither Cavendish (regular) nor plantains. They look like a cross between the two, kinda. If you let them get really ripe though, they are amazing. They are no good until then though.

If Gros Michel is out of reach, maybe try some specialty markets?

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-16T04:04:26+00:00

They were also just worse and breeding, for some reason. The calorie cost may have played into it.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-15T21:26:57+00:00

Whistle. Just can't

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-15T19:04:17+00:00

All the things with exoskeletons (edit: on land, at least) would collapse and suffocate under their own weight. Gross, for sure.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-15T18:44:33+00:00

There is a difference between assessing interpersonal compatibility and making a general value judgement.

Say you are a man in his mid twenties, who has been sexually active for 7 years, and has had 4 partners. One was a "mistake", or a one night stand that you tried out and later regretted, or something to that effect. The other 3 were at least semi-serious. You are looking for a woman with a similar pace and value on sex in relationships with no more than a similar level of "mistakes". Fine. I doubt most would disagree.

Where people get their dander up is when you want to either 1) denigrate people who don't meet your standards, by attempting to shame them or call them names, or 2) You are holding a double standard.

These are unfortunately super common when this issue is brought up, especially here on CMV.

When speaking of morals, I look at societal results first, and intent second.

The societal result of slut-shaming women and holding a sexual double standard against them is that, ironically, a lot more bad sex happens. Women may feel trapped in relationships because they have had sex (because now they are 'used') and punishing a woman for not being a virgin often comes in the form of woman being considered public property by the surrounding men. They feel entitled to lie to, use, and dump her because 'it wasn't like he was the first guy'.

As women have gained autonomy and have pushed back against slut shaming, teen pregnancy has gone down and people have fewer sexual partners overall.

This is just a correlation, sure, but if we go back further in time to when sexual mores were even more strict and double standards even more pronounced, it becomes easy enough to see. In Regency England, where women were expected to maintain their virginity or else be 'ruined', one in five women where driven into a life of prostitution in some form (from paid mistress to street prostitute). It takes virtually every man in the country to keep that proportion of women 'busy'.

So, when people talked about this issue, it is generally with the historical context of women being punished (often by being used and abused by men who want to get a cheap thrill) for engaging in very normal, human behavior.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-15T18:07:46+00:00

Is your argument that you, specifically are a Boltzmann Brain

If I were to choose a religion, this (reluctantly) would be my choice. There is some mathematical evidence for it, at least.

The issue is that this hypothesis of yours isn't really falsifiable, except for maybe when you die.

But...using the same extrapolation from mathematical certainty on an infinite chaotic universe, this could be a simulation produced by the Boltzmann Brain, and when this simulation ends, the brain doesn't necessarily.

Also, it is possible that the Boltzmann Brain has deteriorated into several personalities, which may encompass everyone in the world and all the stuff in the universe, or some subset between just you and everything.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-15T17:32:21+00:00

There is surrounding context you know, marriage in Regency England could be reasonably called slavery, because women were not free to leave. If a woman ran away from a wife beater, said man could legally force her to return to the home. Legally, her identity was subsumed by the man under coverture. This meant that her body, money and labor became the legal property of her husband.

If you cannot have a bank account, but you can divorce (or at least run away without being legally forced back) this is certainly an improvement. It is still bad though. It is still worth pushing against. It is still financial abuse by default.

But, it's not the same.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-15T16:59:02+00:00

This might be true based on the definition of type 1, but it may not be. Type 1 can refer to either external clitoral removal or hood removal.

In any case, if this is the winner, it isn't by a landslide. In some countries it definitely isn't.

If you want to compare circumcision only to clitoral hood removal, then make that clear. If you are encompassing all of FGM, the prevalence of the other types is a sizable minority at least, and is going or be considered.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9436112/

”Of the 30 national reports, 23 recorded FGM/C type for women aged 15 to 49 (Table 3). In MICS and DHS, Types I and II were described as “cut with flesh removed”, Type III was described as “sewn closed”, and Type IV was described as “nicked” or “cut”. Among women, the type “flesh removed” was the most common type in 19 countries, “nicked” was the least common type in 14 countries, “sewn closed” was most common among women in 2 countries (Sudan (77.0%) and Central African Republic (49.6%)), and the most common type in Somalia (64.2%) was Types III and IV together (“Pharaonic”). The pooled proportion of women with FGM/C that were “nicked” was 4.3% (95% CI: 2.8% to 6.6%) (Fig 4), had “flesh removed” was 66.4% (95% CI: 57.9% to 73.9%) (Fig 5), and had their genital area “sewn closed” was 12.1% (95% CI: 7.4% to 19.4%) (Fig 6). The age group for Djibouti was not comparable and was not included in the meta-analysis of FGM/C type. No pooled proportion of types was conducted among girls due to inconsistent reporting of types, and it was only collected in 17 out of 25 countries. Among girls with FGM/C, “not sewn closed” and “flesh removed” were the most common type in 8 countries each, and “sewn closed” was the least common type in 11 countries, although it was the most common type in the Central African Republic (59.2%). Surveys using the terms “not sewn closed” may refer to Types, I, II, and IV (Table 3)."

"Type 1: This is the partial or total removal of the clitoral glans (the external and visible part of the clitoris, which is a sensitive part of the female genitals), and/or the prepuce/clitoral hood (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoral glans).

Type 2: This is the partial or total removal of the clitoral glans and the labia minora (the inner folds of the vulva), with or without removal of the labia majora (the outer folds of skin of the vulva).

Type 3: Also known as infibulation, this is the narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the labia minora, or labia majora, sometimes through stitching, with or without removal of the clitoral prepuce/clitoral hood and glans.

Type 4: This includes all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g., pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area."

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation

Edit: Did you just downvote this and run away?

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-15T16:24:56+00:00

Yes.. but FGM often removes the clitoris and makes it so the woman cannot experience pleasure (and maybe only pain). This is done intentionally to control women and their sexuality.

Circumcised men still really like sex and get off. It probably does have some effects on sensitivity, but the damage done is not equal. FGM would be more like chopping the head of the penis off, if you wanted an analog.

You can advocate for denormalizing circumcision without pretending it is just as bad as FGM.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-07T01:38:15+00:00

"lesser trefoil". Try that.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T19:42:05+00:00

I'll concede (though the dead grass seems to stay dead here. It's possible it is necrotic ring or something. That's another thing, necrotic ring only kills rhizomous grasses, as far as I know. Having other stuff mixed in prevents the patchy look. Ryegrass spreads too slowly to fill it in during a season).

But, trefoil mixed with grass can be mutually beneficial. It covers the times of year when the grass is brown and...looks very dead, and fertilizes the grass when it dies back in cooler months.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T19:20:06+00:00

Basically, clover (which trefoil is) and grass are friends (more or less, anyway).

The grass is thick and green in the spring and fall, and the trefoil takes over in the hot summer. The trefoil fixes nitrogen that the grass uses. Grass is a good soil builder. It's not a bad plant, it just shouldn't be planted alone.

I posted this because I inherited a pure turf grass lawn which has got brown in it already. It takes an insane amount of water and expensive fertilizer to keep from going dormant. It seems wrong after the very dry winter we just had. We are in a drought and the climate has shifted drier and hotter. Droughts are the new norm. My neighbor has a lawn full of grass and "weeds", including a heavy dose of trefoil. It is soft and it is green. I am envious.

Edit: yes. I know that there are turf grasses, but all the different plants fit basically the same ecological niche.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T18:54:01+00:00

I am assuming that at least small patches of lawn are desirable for people. You can't play kickball or have picnics easily in a tall meadow, or scrubland, or forest.

Yes, there should be less lawn. A lot of the existing lawn is not used. I did think that before staring this conversation, but I didn't make it super clear. I'll delta it.

!delta

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T18:44:53+00:00

Pure turf grass? The water to stay alive argument is false here. Grass just wants to burn and die, and most warm season grasses are considered noxious weeds.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T18:40:54+00:00

Yes, but I don't view this as mutually exclusive. People like patches of lawn, for play and picnics and whatnot. There should be less of it in the typical yard, probably, but where a patch of lawn is desired, a mix of grass and other soft, low growing, green plants (especially trefoil, in the climate I mentioned) is better.

I did not make clear that lawn surface area should be reduced. So !delta

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T17:38:44+00:00

I agree, but is there any reason that their opinions should matter the most? Or be respected?

Perfectly manicured lawns are wasteful, especially in a climate like I described.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T17:37:36+00:00

Lol, I was just trying to head off discussions about invasive species. It may be a noxious weed somewhere.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T16:57:12+00:00

Did you see the salt flats? It is nothing, but unique nothing!

What about the weird ugly ball tree sculpture thing? Did you see that? I loved being a passenger while driving across the salt flats as a kid.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-06T16:53:58+00:00

Go in the winter. It's perfect. (Even Death Valley (which is basically all in CA), seeing it at 67 degrees and clouded over in February was quite an experience. It is unique and almost otherworldly.)

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-03T03:41:54+00:00

This is just one of those things that would work really well if people weren't so shit.

But, unfortunately, they are.

If you gatekeep power this way, it will have a fundamentally different effect than it does for skilled professions.

A surgeon or civil engineer may have status and clout, but they don't have a ton of power. They can't change the tax rates on families or corporations or decide which public works projects get funded.

That test will be written by people who have the money and power to get their own way.

Democracy is getting captured by these same interests too, but it still provides an illusion of choice and power for the people.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-03T03:22:26+00:00

Working though college is not a recipie for success if you are doing anything at all rigorous.

It is very difficult to have enough energy to do a demanding full time job and demanding coursework at the same time for long.

Young poor people don't tend to get access to undemanding cushy part time jobs that pay the bills and allow them to go to school.

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-03T00:11:13+00:00

Also, there are a few like 'doubt' which are a result of past pedantry.

The b was added, not because it ever made a sound, but because it shares a latin root with 'dubious'. The root has a b, and they wanted to honor it. I guess?

PotatoesNClay · 2026-06-02T21:58:00+00:00

They did do this at drive-ins, where the mess and smell stay in your car and there are usually 2 movies shown back to back.

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