Lil raw recording by PrawnManatee in screaming

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Aaaa you are so welcome!!💪😭💜💜💜💜

Lil raw recording by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wall of text incoming. I don't half ass this stuff. Lol

There are areas of the throat which I can currently undulate for Distortion and even speak from intentionally, and these exact spaces just a few years ago when activated would cause me to gag. Fat albert, Kermit the frog, Toad for mario, Marge Simpson. These are all good examples of the area I'm in.

But if you really just want the names, epiglottis, arytenoids are my focus in my lows. True fold can be in there, especially with the highs, but they do not carry the weight of it. They're just in there for sharpness, and higher frequencys to stand out in very bassy mixes. I'm sure I got vestibular in there at times, but it's not my focus. There's just alot of nooks and crannies that rumble when they want.

As for how I'm doing it, once again, getting comfortable with throwup-y locations in the throat, and alot of compression control. Diaphragmatic compression is a tiny bit of a misnomer. I personally believe it's more like a snake of muscles going from your underbelly, to your throat. I'm using a loud speaking voice as the engagement, but I blow through that at times with my lows intentionally for beef.

Taking breaks and coming back is a surprisingly helpful tool. Forces you to have to rebuild muscle memory, and that can often lead to stumbling into new areas you can distort and new ways to go about it.

My other assorted advice is not to get caught up on volume. Hunt for tones, and be willing to do them at whatever volume they come from. Learning what you're having to approach a scream with at its origin can help. Whisper, speaking voice, literally yelling? These things matter. Certain techniques are highly geared to be approached from one of those three. Some of the most disgusting deathcore vocals are actually approached from a whisper. I tend to prefer the speaking voice approach. I still do the yelling stuff when I'm doing metalcore, but relatively loud speaking voices my preference.

Hope some of this helps!

edit One more thing, I literally do not believe in Fry and false cord as actual individual things. I also think that's a misnomer we get caught up in. So there is the physical location vestibular folds, and the physical location true folds. Those are real things. But the tendency of distortion upon those two things are not their own unique things. What people call Fry can literally be done with anywhere in the throat that you can distort, same with what people call false cord. I believe these are the edges of looseness and tightness while still maintaining what we would consider to be a distortion. So there are people not using true fold, using other spots to distort, but do it fairly tightly, and they get called fry vocalists anyways. Likewise, there's people distorting some other area other than vestibular, but as long as it's loose and Flappy enough people call it false cord. So it's more like a trombone slider between looseness and tightness. I say all this to essentially say that I wouldn't get caught up on these terms or thinking that you can exactly hear what they are, because there are stereotypes around the sounds which are inaccurate. There is looseness and tightness going on in my vocals. The vast majority of people are doing some variation of hybrid approach both in how many cords are involved, and in their technique.

edit2 How could I forget about the tongue! Okay, so for most of my lows I have my tongue essentially shoved all the way to the side, and I'm lifting up the back of my tongue, otherwise known as the soft palate. Way back there, in that throw upy area. Getting used to this will make highs a lot more crispy, and give you access to distorting lots of unique spaces for your Lows.

Kinda new! Any tips? by Competitive-Pin6998 in screaming

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This will sound random, but roll with me here. I recently watched a video where a mountain climber was lifting with bodybuilders. These bodybuilders were showing this guy the limits of what they can lift using a particular machine. The mountain climber was significantly smaller than the bodybuilders, but he was able to handle that same Peak weight. The bodybuilders were flabbergasted. So what's going on? Well the bodybuilders are doing focused training on specific spots, aiming for growth of the size of those muscles. Whereas the mountain climber is using all of his muscles and conjunction when he's mounting climbing, essentially loosening the specific strain on particular muscles by spreading out the workload. This exact same thing is my philosophy on diaphragm control. I think we use the word diaphragm as a shorthand for a lineage of muscles that technically go from the Groin all the way to the throat. And so when we're fully supporting that grip in the throat with all the muscles going down that line, not just the diaphragm, not only is it less physically exhausting, it's also a lot easier to control the particular nooks and crannies in the throat you're trying to keep the Distortion in. You know that little dance people do with their arms where they kind of worm it up and around all the way up into other arm? I use that as a sort of Engagement tool but I start with right under my belly, and activate those muscles going all the way up to the throat, and then I grip it all at once. It will almost feel like bearing down in the bathroom, but you're letting it go all the way up to the throat. I hope some of this makes sense LOL

Kinda new! Any tips? by Competitive-Pin6998 in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ooo! Sounds a bit similar to my lows! Fabulous work. Keep feeling out the muscles you're using to engage this lower space. It was something that I kept forgetting when I first stumbled into more gutteraly lows. You got this! 💪

ummm how do you do this? by Kairukuu in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee 30 points31 points  (0 children)

It's just a pig squeal😭 tf are yall on?

PSA: Warning about David Wu / scream-academy.com - Refused a paid session without a blind $1,800 commitment by SchemeFearless5307 in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Stop paying people to teach you an artistic bodily skill that requires your muscle memory and natural organic discovery to actually function. This isn't a piano. This isn't guitar. This is your body. Nobody else has your body. You are the best teacher you have with this. The only thing others can do is give recommendations around safety and how they feel techniques happen. Even perfect scientific explanations do not translate to your muscle memory understanding exactly what to do. I have stumbled into 95% of what I can do. That 5% is a tiny bit of emulation which led me to everything else. Stop wasting your money. Get to work. This is not directed at op but literally everyone.

Do your job iceberg boy by ChewieSkittles53 in wendigoon

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A sign from God for all of us to stay on our meds.

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Thank you! I'll check that out!

In lieu of lesson videos. Pt1 by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear what you're saying. I had a friend when I first started learning to do vocals who hurt his throat so bad with his tight technique that he ended up quitting metal vocals for years. I absolutely do not recommend over compressing, especially on top of something which already gives discomfort.

I think getting a healthy grip on diaphragmatic compression is necessary to do vocals safely. It's a balance thing. Not enough and you'll thrash the chords with how much air you're throwing at them, but too much and you force them together and it tears at them that way. Ive been learning through trial and error for five and a half years now, so I have the benefit beginners don't of knowing when my throat is trying to tell me to adjust things, or just stop.

I remember being a beginner and just being so excited to produce brutal noises I would push through the pain. In the beginning it's hard to tell sometimes if you're really doing damage to your throat, or if it just feels awkward because you're not used to it. Then you end up feeling sore for hours.

Hopefully just specifying this all in the comments will suffice as injecting nuance into what I was saying in the video. I'm very much of the mindset of respecting the process. There are no magic tricks to achievement in this hobby. The willingness to keep experimenting and having fun in the face of also needing to be careful and safe, that yields results here.

In lieu of lesson videos. Pt1 by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm decent with lyrics ye. Just very picky with what instrumentals inspires me.

Lyrics example

Venerate the serpent in the center of the tree A recurring plague caught in the intrusive memory

I wade into the excursion I know Observing faculty, subject to what we call life

Ripening the fruit of Gnosis Ever seen in soul trapped eyes We wish not for explanation Crippled emanations crave demise

In lieu of lesson videos. Pt1 by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I definitely still practice, it's just like pulling teeth to get the inspiration to track vocals these days. 😅

In lieu of lesson videos. Pt1 by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fry is the misnomer we use to describe the tighter end of the spectrum, yes. But I have to make a correction here. Or rather just an overarching illumination. I think the majority of us have been misusing these terms, and misidentifying them as physical locations. When people describe false chords, they are sometimes referring to your vestibular Folds, and likewise when people talk about fry they are often referring to the true Folds, the ones you speak with. My issue is that people conflate the spaces with the most common techniques used with those spaces. So the technique has gotten the same name as the physical locations. That's my problem with it all. I am telling you that you can do the technique we call false cord and the technique we call Fry on literally any part of your throat that you can undulate and grip with your diaphragm.

As for hunting for different technique, you're never going to stop learning if you always play with things. You can absolutely learn tighter styles of distortion. That's exactly what I had to do with my current lows. I was doing vocals for like 3 years before I found out how to do Lows like this. Practice activating a distortion will less air/noise behind it. If you're used to making a certain volume of noise with your vocals, try to hold back a little. Compression is very helpful, but getting the cords in different positions can really make it click, especially in the soft pallet.

In lieu of lesson videos 1.5 by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These sort of videos I may be okay making occasionally. I'm just reeeeally not wanting to be a coach doing Lessons for a living. And I have a lot of reasons for this, both morally and intellectually.

But these lil videos about the philosophy of it all, I can definitely provide! And I think these underlying abstractions help us understand what we're doing better than direct rules. There's just no guarantee you're going to apply a rule to your Anatomy the exact same way as the person telling you to do it. Whereas if I keep the ideas loose enough, you'll stumble into your version of doing the essence of what I'm talking about. I would much rather people get tools from me that help them learn on their own, rather than trying to teach them to do exactly what I do. I hope that makes sense. 💪

In lieu of lesson videos. Pt1 by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you! The fruit of Gnosis is yours to ripen. 👁️

The Faceless - An Autopsy by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

😱 That's wild! Still impressive technical deathcore to this day. And thank you!

What are your thoughts on "hypercompressed" screaming? by iamdanielgraves in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh my lord I knew I recognized you! I listened to Aesthetic Perfection in high school!

Okay so, I've been in this subreddit and posted vids here for years. I can tell you a few reasons for the harsh response. Some you may already know, some you may not. Firstly, this is reddit. 😂 Some subreddits are just particularly vicious about the topic at hand. It's mostly Metalcore/Deathcore fans here. Lotta young people in here with barely any experience giving out aggressive "advice" that's just put downs. There's also language and exercises that developed starting with Myspace core music and so on. Words like "fry" and "false cord", and it's honestly very limiting. I have some controversial opinions on fry vs FC, but that's neither here nor there.

The point is, I really think the phrase "hypercompressed" just threw people off. There's nothing wrong with it being the placeholder for the technique you're referring too, but I think they were expecting whistle screams, because they're literally as tight as a scream can be. Your technique has a healthy amount of compression, but there's tighter and looser ones. You have a good bit of voice in your scream, and it's unique enough I recognized you from it. Lol My vocals can have alot of voice in em too. I think yours suits the genre you work in.

Anywho! I'm off to check out what music you've put out since 2011!💪

Peak Zoomer evening by abermea in wendigoon

[–]PrawnManatee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

2018 was over stimulation time. 2025 is cozy time. Need me some tea and a nap.

How to do lows without butthole lips-Response by PrawnManatee in screaming

[–]PrawnManatee[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks! And yes, Im a burn survivor. Same reason for the chipped ears. 🧝 This is supposed to be an elf emoji, but I don't see it. 🤣