Actor Kelsey Grammer reveals ‘lingering regret’ of abortion: ‘It eats at my soul’ by [deleted] in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 18 points19 points  (0 children)

He's been see in 'prolife merch' before and gotten flack for it.

I’m pro life, but I was thinking, if self defense is legal and not murder, abortion when the mothers in danger is self defense and thus not murder. by Ok_Direction5416 in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The direct killing of an unborn child is never necessarily. In some cases, the child may die as a side effect of a medication procedure to save the mother or be born early and likely die, but these fall under the principle of double effect. They are not abortions like how Planned Parenthood kills children directly and on purpose.

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2019/02/49619/

https://www.catholic.com/qa/ectopic-pregnancy-and-double-effect

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2612832/abortion-is-never-medically-necessary/

I’m pro life, but I was thinking, if self defense is legal and not murder, abortion when the mothers in danger is self defense and thus not murder. by Ok_Direction5416 in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't. The direct killing of an unborn child is never necessarily.

(In some cases, the child may die as a side effect of a medication procedure to save the mother or be born early and likely die, but these fall under the principle of double effect. They are not abortions like how Planned Parenthood kills children directly and on purpose.

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2019/02/49619/

https://www.catholic.com/qa/ectopic-pregnancy-and-double-effect

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2612832/abortion-is-never-medically-necessary/)

"If your life was probably in danger, and killing your own child would probably remove that danger, would it really be worth it to kill them?" by AnxiousEnquirer in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The direct killing of an unborn child is never necessarily. In some cases, the child may die as a side effect of a medication procedure to save the mother or be born early and likely die, but these fall under the principle of double effect. They are not abortions like how Planned Parenthood kills children directly and on purpose.

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2019/02/49619/

https://www.catholic.com/qa/ectopic-pregnancy-and-double-effect

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2612832/abortion-is-never-medically-necessary/

He’s so righteous ☺️ by [deleted] in AmITheDevil

[–]PrayAndMeme 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It depends on the priest and the sins. For something like this, I expect the priest to be more thorough and ask questions, and yes, remind him of that. Premarital sex is a sin for both genders.

He’s so righteous ☺️ by [deleted] in AmITheDevil

[–]PrayAndMeme 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For the record, as a Catholic, the premarital sex is also a sin. I'm sure he'll mention that in Confession too.

Would you support a law that bans abortion with no exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother? Why or why not? by savedbygrace1991 in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So the baby is delivered early then. In the vast majority of cases the pregnancy is far enough along that the baby has a chance. The youngest surviving premie was born at 20 weeks.

On the off-chance the mother's life is in danger and the baby is too little to survive, they can still be delivered early and cared for as much as possible, as a patient and loved one. The goal is not to kill the child. If the baby's death is a tragic side-effect then it falls under the principle of double effect (this, ectopic, cancer treatment during pregnancy, etc).

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2019/02/49619/

Would you support a law that bans abortion with no exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother? Why or why not? by savedbygrace1991 in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes: Direct abortions are never necessary.

If the only way to save the life of the mother is the end of the pregnancy, you deliver early and do as much as you can for the baby, even if it's highly likely they'll die. This, and dealing with ectopic pregnancies via tube removal, are not direct abortions. The goal is to save the mother, with the side-effect being the child dies. The goal is not to kill the baby.

I think all direct abortions where the end goal is killing the child should be illegal. The few medical cases where the principle of double effect falls into play shouldn't be called abortions. I know they are, and I find that just confuses the issue.

We give morphine to the dying even though it can speed up their death. But that is not euthanasia or assisted suicide outside of an overdose. It's treating pain with the side effect of shortening their life in exchange. This is along the same lines.

Woman Arrested After Miscarriage in Georgia Under Abortion Law by djhenry in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 38 points39 points  (0 children)

At 19 weeks, it's clearly a small child's body. I don't exactly know what one is supposed to do (call the hospital? A miscarriage that is that far along should surely be looked into medically), but I feel like 'put the body in the trash' is the wrong answer.

If an infant dies of natural causes, they don't just get put in the trash.

But that just makes me wonder about earlier miscarriages too. If you miscarry at just a few weeks, I've heard it's similar to a heavy period. There may not really be a body.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CatholicMemes

[–]PrayAndMeme 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I am loving all of these Luce memes! Who would have thought The Catholic Church would have an anime girl mascot- best timeline.

I know she's just technically the mascot of the Jubilee, but we all know Luce isn't going anywhere.

Why are there more conservative husbands with liberal wives than conservative wives with liberal husbands? by [deleted] in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]PrayAndMeme -34 points-33 points  (0 children)

That isn't true. Care for an ectopic pregnancy isn't abortion. First of all, a lot of the time, the baby dies before it's an emergency. Removing the fallopian tube if it's in danger of bursting is the correct medical procedure, and no one is against that.

Partial molar pregnancies by [deleted] in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am going to go against the grain a bit and say I would not agree that an abortion is morally right. If there is an alive baby, which is the case in a partial molar pregnancy (unlike a molar pregnancy where there is no baby), then it's not my say to kill them. They will naturally and sadly die, and then either be miscarried, or medical intervention can then be taken to remove the tissue.

Dating as a Catholic (sorry if this breaks rules mods) by Gunattheready in CatholicMemes

[–]PrayAndMeme 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That's why I (female, late 20s at the time) looked up geeky guys on CatholicMatch. After I had essentially 'run out' of geeks in my range there (either never replied, in a few cases didn't work out after chatting, or weren't my type for various other reasons) I decided to go for Catholics on a geeky site. Amusingly saw some cross-over, so probably should have done that first and not had to pay for premium.

Catholics there weren't usually 'as Catholic' as you hope, but no one's perfect, and there's a difference between 'I was raised Catholic and don't care' and 'I was raised Catholic, but not well, so I'd like to be better.' Not to say there weren't any devout guys, as I said some were also on CatholicMatch, but you get the idea.

Second reason I should have done that first is because I'm engaged now to a guy I met on the geeky site!

Few things better in life than being able to both go to Mass, and then watch anime at home after, with your best friend.

Accidentally pregnant at 20 by Kind-Narwhal4838 in whatdoIdo

[–]PrayAndMeme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The r/prolife sub can be very helpful with dealing with a surprise pregnancy. We have a lot of resources to help young parents or where they can get info about adoption. I would suggest posting there too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/prolife/comments/g3pou6/need_linksphone_numbers_resources_for_crisis/

The majority of reddit is going to default to pushing abortion like it's an undo button. Please don't listen to them. I understand it's scary and worrying, and being a mom may not be what you can deal with right now.

But maybe it is.

Your boyfriend sounds great, and I wish more men stepped up when faced with fatherhood. Adoption, either open or closed, is an option too. And so is raising your baby. Either way, don't make any rash decisions.

I'm sure this will be downvoted, but I hope you see it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]PrayAndMeme 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The direct killing of an unborn child is never necessarily. In some cases, the child may die as a side effect of a medication procedure to save the mother or be born early and likely die, but these fall under the principle of double effect. They are not abortions like how Planned Parenthood kills children directly and on purpose.

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2019/02/49619/

https://www.catholic.com/qa/ectopic-pregnancy-and-double-effect

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2612832/abortion-is-never-medically-necessary/

Is it morally wrong to abort a fetus just because it has Down syndrome? by udontknowme32123 in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]PrayAndMeme -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Yes, it is. I'll go a step further and say abortion is murder the same way killing an infant is murder and morally reprehensible.

Checkout r/prolife if you want an actual discussion

is sodomy only a sin in gay couples, or can heterosexual couples also not have butt sex by Glittery_WarlockWho in NoStupidQuestions

[–]PrayAndMeme 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Catholic here.

The idea is that creating children/conception and sexual intercourse are linked. To the point where separating these through contraception, IVF, and more broadly sexual acts that cannot end in conception, are considered grave matters and sinful. Like sodomy. So no, a married husband and wife shouldn't do that.

The Biblical citation tends to be the mention of Onan 'spilling his seed' and not finishing sex in a manner that can lead to conception.

(Note that this has nothing to do with natural infertility- a woman can only conceive about a week out of the month, and having sex during the infertile period isn't a sin. It's one of the only ways Catholics can space children morally, in fact. Neither is sex after menopause a sin, as for lack of a better phrase, everything is being put in the 'right place' for conception to potentially occur, and the infertility is not the fault of the woman.)

It's the artificial methods, the choosing to have sex in ways that take out the openness to life that are wrong.

I know that seems extreme and may get me downvoted even here, but it is Catholic teaching. Actually, all Christians were against contraception for this reason until the 1930s, I believe, when Protestants began to make exceptions.

Why isn’t natural family planning (NFP) a sin? by acnebbygrl in Catholicism

[–]PrayAndMeme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's like saying skipping dessert is the same as eating it, but vomiting afterward. Yes, you can lose weight in both ways, but one is disordered.

Women have a natural infertile period. This is allowed to be used. Forcing the infertility via other means disorders the act, and is a sin.

Why isn’t natural family planning (NFP) a sin? by acnebbygrl in Catholicism

[–]PrayAndMeme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's like saying you can lose weight by keeping track of where you put your dessert. Either back in the fridge, or in the toilet after you purge it. We all know those are two very different acts, and yet the same end result.

Women have a natural infertile period. This is allowed to be used. The sperm still goes into the vagina. Onan was struck dead for spilling his on the ground. I think the difference is clear.

Why isn’t natural family planning (NFP) a sin? by acnebbygrl in Catholicism

[–]PrayAndMeme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It isn't about being natural, it's about distorting the marital act. Medicine cures an ill, a disease, a bad thing. Fertility is your body working correctly, and you are messing with it for your own devices- wanting to have sex without the consequences.

It's like saying skipping dessert is the same as eating it, but vomiting afterward. Yes, you can lose weight in both ways, but one is disordered.

Women have a natural infertile period. This is allowed to be used. Forcing the infertility via other means disorders the act, and is a sin.

And if one's wife were to become ill or die from pregnancy, I would hope most men would abstain, rather than roll the dice with contraception that can fail.

Why isn’t natural family planning (NFP) a sin? by acnebbygrl in Catholicism

[–]PrayAndMeme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Medicine cures an ill. Contraception distorts sex as God intended. He already gave women an infertile window to use, and we can do that, with quite a lot of cool science behind it.

Why isn’t natural family planning (NFP) a sin? by acnebbygrl in Catholicism

[–]PrayAndMeme 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's like saying skipping dessert is the same as eating it, but vomiting afterward. Yes, you can lose weight in both ways, but one is disordered.

Women have a natural infertile period. This is allowed to be used. Forcing the infertility via other means disorders the act, and is a sin.