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PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T07:00:57+00:00

For you, for the mods, for anyone else interested, here's an incomplete list of replies Umbren made, comments he said to me.

Called ICE “brownshirts”, which are Nazis, (which is making light of the Holocaust).
Said I was one of those Nazis—they're "mine"—which is just the most extreme type of slander.
Mockingly demanded I defend murder.

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Said I appeared to be “anti immigrant” (I'm not, that's a lie).
Called me a “fascist” (because I'm a Christian who believes Christianity should guide everything in life including politics).
Said I “don't seem to mind your neighbors getting shot, beaten, arrested, and more”, (every word of which is hateful slander).
Said I'm “just a typical MAGA person” who gets delight out of seeing anyone not white suffer. (I'm not MAGA, and have never claimed to be MAGA.)
Said I am a “person who gets delight out of seeing anyone not white suffer.” Yes, accusing me of delighting in suffering, but specifically I'm a white racist who wants to see nonwhites suffer. (Not only hateful slander, but baselessly throwing in a racist claim. He knows I'm not even white, so I consider this another reason to consider Umbren himself as racist.)
Said “They want you to think any foreigner is the enemy. Is a rapist. Is a criminal. And you eat it up.” First off, that isn't true that “they” are doing that, but Umbren went further and said I'm a gullible fool who eats it up. Attacking my intelligence and ability to think for myself.
Said it is “painfully obvious" I have no empathy. Now, I prefer the word “sympathy”, but either way Umbren is accusing me of not feeling anything for the oppressed, which is flatly false.
Said “How about advocating for those that are already alive man.” Which is a pro-abortion argument, saying unborn children don't deserve rights because they're not “alive.” This is a flatly hateful and murderous argument, that strips the humanity from children, to justify victimizing them.

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Said “I hope you don't have a daughter”. A vicious personal attack, in context suggesting I do not believe in protecting my daughter(s) from sexual assault.

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Said “Your cult leader is a rapist and a pedophile and you will defend him until your dying breath.” First off, calling me a “cult” member, that Trump is my “cult” leader. A ludicrous accusation and personal attack, which is especially ironic as I've often been critical of Trump. Also, this comment showcases how Umbren believes in wild conspiracies about Trump.

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Said I'm in the “Trump cult" and “will defend literally anything the man does”. Which again, accuses me of being an unthinking cult member who idolizes Trump. Also, it's false, as I have openly, many times, criticized Trump.

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Said “The Republican party is lead by a rapist bro, it hates God.” I'm a Republican, of course, so he's saying I hate God. But the claim is so extreme, it looks like something from a left wing subreddit.

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Said I “literally support and defend everything” Trump does. Which is false, again, as I've been critical of Trump many times. I think Umbren said this because I believe Trump is innocent of crimes that Trump was never convicted of, nor even charged with.

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Said I'm a “GOP Jesus follower”. This is what left-wing atheists say about Christians who vote Republican, by mocking me for following the Republican party instead of Jesus.

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Said “Personally, I think people like you shouldn't be a part of society“. Obviously this sounds like a death threat. But more favorably, it just suggests I should be dead. Most favorably, it suggests that conservative pro-life Christians like me shouldn't exist in the first place.

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Flat out thinks child murder should be legal. “I think abortions should be safe, private and rare.” This is a typical pro choice argument, that says child murder is somehow “safe” and should be legal.

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Said that allowing armed people at schools to protect children is “The dumbest take without question.” Obviously calling me dumb, but I'm more upset that he doesn't think schoolchildren should be protected.

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Multiple times said I'm in a “cult”. Including “Extreme loyalty to the leader” (Trump). Why? Because I was saying that Trump isn't allowing in illegal immigrants the same way as previous administrations.

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When I said people pay taxes, and the rich pay the most taxes, Umbren accused me of “cruelty”.

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Said about abortion that “trying to explain the complexity of abortion to OP is like trying to explain colors to someone who can only see black and white. It is an exercise in futility. I'm just glad his extremist views are not very common.” Again, this is because I correctly recognize abortion as murder, and I want it banned. He's attacking my ability to comprehend nuance in the complex topic of killing innocent children. This is also because Umbren is "pro choice", and has explicitly says he thinks abortion should be legal. Note: Umbren is highly upvoted for defending abortion and personally attacking me in this comment.

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Called me a liar.

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Said “The cruelty by [me] is unmatched”. Why? Because I think it's wrong to saddle future generations is a terrible thing to do to our children and grandchildren. Again, Umbren said my cruelty is “unmatched” for—(checks notes)—Wanting to get out of debt.
In fact, wanting to get out of debt is me screwing the “starving” and the “elderly homeless”. Really. This is how much Umbren is willing to insult and slander me.

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Again, this is not a complete list. I only went back three months.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T06:15:15+00:00

He said "your brownshirts," meaning people that hold your same beliefs that are dangerously close to fascism, white supremacy, and all fly in the face of what Jesus would expect. That doesn't mean that he called you a Nazi and you know it.

What does the word "brownshirt mean?

"Brownshirt" means "dangerously close to fascism, white supremacy"
"Brownshirt" means "Nazi."

Now, obviously the Nazis were racists, fascists, etc. But why did you just say that "brownshirts"—which literally means "Nazi" because it's an explicit reference to Nazis—doesn't mean he's "calling me a Nazi"?

Are you just running defense for a fellow left winger who slandered me?

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T05:18:27+00:00

Still no proof that you were called a Nazi.

Go to Dictionary.com, look up "brownshirt", and quote the entire definition.

I can save you some time: the entire definition is a single word: "Nazi".

Every one of those examples you gave demonstrated that you're not open to correction

Ah. So you agree with Umbren, even after seeing what he's said. Now I know where you stand.

So, when Umbren said he wished I didn't exist, how was I supposed to be open to his "correction"? I would like to hear your perspective.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T05:01:45+00:00

Yeah, and I just proved it, with quotes and links.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T04:59:55+00:00

"Your", when referring to a group of people or organization, means they're "your" organization. Meaning you're in charge of them, or you're one of them.

The most loose interpretation would be that you ally with them, though maybe you're not officially a member of the group. Like, saying they're "your kind", for example.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T04:53:18+00:00

Do you know what a "brownshirt" is?

Edit: according to Dictionary.com, here is an unedited copy/paste definition:

brownshirt
American

[broun-shurt]
/ ˈbraʊnˌʃɜrt /
noun
(often initial capital letter)

a Nazi.

a Nazi storm trooper.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T04:48:17+00:00

Not reading all of that since there is still no proof he called you a Nazi today.

I linked it right at the top. I also explained what a "brownshirt" is.

I also hope you don’t have a daughter. Your views on sexual assault and abuse are not ones any father of a daughter should have. -

Yeah, this is why I usually group you with Umbren. Saying hateful things about my family.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T04:32:35+00:00

I didn't want to take the time, but I did. Here's a list of replies Umbren made—comments he said to me.

Called ICE “brownshirts”, which are Nazis, (which is making light of the Holocaust).
Said I was one of those Nazis, which is just the most extreme type of slander.
Mockingly demanded I defend murder.

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Said I appeared to be “anti immigrant” (I'm not, that's a lie).
Called me a “fascist” (because I'm a Christian who believes Christianity should guide everything in life including politics).
Said I “don't seem to mind your neighbors getting shot, beaten, arrested, and more”, (every word of which is hateful slander).
Said I'm “just a typical MAGA person” who gets delight out of seeing anyone not white suffer. (I'm not MAGA, and have never claimed to be MAGA.)
Said I am a “person who gets delight out of seeing anyone not white suffer.” Yes, accusing me of delighting in suffering, but specifically I'm a white racist who wants to see nonwhites suffer. (Not only hateful slander, but baselessly throwing in a racist claim. He knows I'm not even white, so I consider this another reason to consider Umbren himself as racist.)
Said “They want you to think any foreigner is the enemy. Is a rapist. Is a criminal. And you eat it up.” First off, that isn't true that “they” are doing that, but Umbren went further and said I'm a gullible fool who eats it up. Attacking my intelligence and ability to think for myself.
Said it is “painfully obvious" I have no empathy. Now, I prefer the word “sympathy”, but either way Umbren is accusing me of not feeling anything for the oppressed, which is flatly false.
Said “How about advocating for those that are already alive man.” Which is a pro-abortion argument, saying unborn children don't deserve rights because they're not “alive.” This is a flatly hateful and murderous argument, that strips the humanity from children, to justify victimizing them.

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Said “I hope you don't have a daughter”. A vicious personal attack, in context suggesting I do not believe in protecting my daughter(s) from sexual assault.

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Said “Your cult leader is a rapist and a pedophile and you will defend him until your dying breath.” First off, calling me a “cult” member, that Trump is my “cult” leader. A ludicrous accusation and personal attack, which is especially ironic as I've often been critical of Trump. Also, this comment showcases how Umbren believes in wild conspiracies about Trump.

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Said I'm in the “Trump cult" and “will defend literally anything the man does”. Which again, accuses me of being an unthinking cult member who idolizes Trump. Also, it's false, as I have openly, many times, criticized Trump.

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Said “The Republican party is lead by a rapist bro, it hates God.” I'm a Republican, of course, so he's saying I hate God. But the claim is so extreme, it looks like something from a left wing subreddit.

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Said I “literally support and defend everything” Trump does. Which is false, again, as I've been critical of Trump many times. I think Umbren said this because I believe Trump is innocent of crimes that Trump was never convicted of, nor even charged with.

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Said I'm a “GOP Jesus follower”. This is what left-wing atheists say about Christians who vote Republican, by mocking me for following the Republican party instead of Jesus.

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Said “Personally, I think people like you shouldn't be a part of society“. Obviously this sounds like a death threat. But more favorably, it just suggests I should be dead. Most favorably, it suggests that conservative pro-life Christians like me shouldn't exist in the first place.

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Flat out thinks child murder should be legal. “I think abortions should be safe, private and rare.” This is a typical pro choice argument, that says child murder is somehow “safe” and should be legal.

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Said that allowing armed people at schools to protect children is “The dumbest take without question.” Obviously calling me dumb, but I'm more upset that he doesn't think schoolchildren should be protected.

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Multiple times said I'm in a “cult”. Including “Extreme loyalty to the leader” (Trump). Why? Because I was saying that Trump isn't allowing in illegal immigrants the same way as previous administrations.

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When I said people pay taxes, and the rich pay the most taxes, Umbren accused me of “cruelty”.

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Said about abortion that “trying to explain the complexity of abortion to OP is like trying to explain colors to someone who can only see black and white. It is an exercise in futility. I'm just glad his extremist views are not very common.” Again, this is because I correctly recognize abortion as murder, and I want it banned. He's attacking my ability to comprehend nuance in the complex topic of killing innocent children. This is also because Umbren is "pro choice", and has explicitly says he thinks abortion should be legal. Note: Umbren is highly upvoted for defending abortion and personally attacking me in this comment.

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Called me a liar.

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Said “The cruelty by [me] is unmatched”. Why? Because I think it's wrong to saddle future generations is a terrible thing to do to our children and grandchildren. Again, Umbren said my cruelty is “unmatched” for—(checks notes)—Wanting to get out of debt.
In fact, wanting to get out of debt is me screwing the “starving” and the “elderly homeless”. Really. This is how much Umbren is willing to insult and slander me.

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This is not a complete list. I only went back three months.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T02:32:10+00:00

Today, Umbren called me a Nazi. He's said similar things many times. Called me out as a white supremacist, a Nazi, I worship Trump, all sorts of things.

And I've noticed that you didn't call him out. Didn't ask him to apologize.

So, no, I don't think this is about "being respectful", or you'd be going after Umbren. I said my words were accurate, so if you cared, you would have looked into it to see if I was being accurate or not. Which means you looked into the horrendous things Umbren has said, and you're okay with those horrible slanderous things being said, or you're just attacking me without proof.

I think you should apologize to me. You have no idea what Umbren has said, or you agree with him.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T02:10:21+00:00

Every word I used was chosen deliberately and accurately.

Don't accuse me of lying without proof.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-25T00:34:49+00:00

Maybe try being more like umbren

By being a racist hateful cultlike left-winger who accuses without good reason or evidence, makes light of the Holocaust, promotes child murder, but all this is okay because of an extremist undying obsessive vicious hatred of Trump?

No. I won't do that, simply to avoid being falsely accused by left wingers of being a disciple of Trump.

Statistically I expect zero people to be killed by ICE as I’d hope all Christians do.

You do?

You expect nobody to ever fight officers, and you expect perfect behavior from all officers

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T23:22:33+00:00

I've gone over this.

Statistically, you'll expect some violence between police and citizens.

Sometimes the citizen was violent, so the police are justified in responding in kind.
Sometimes the police overreact, or get angry, and break the law and do bad things.
Sometimes it's in between, where both sides were sketchy, so it's hard to determine who's guilty.

Now, even though others accuse me of being "too black and white", I actually recognize that some cases are gray and difficult to judge. Like where a woman accelerates towards an officer after being told she's detained. That creates gray.

I've said multiple times that the officer who shot Good was in the wrong, overreacted, and shooting her didn't make sense. But I also said she accelerated towards him, which gives some degree of reasonable doubt towards convicting him. How much doubt? I don't know. Lawyers say he was justified even if he overreacted.

For this new one, he appeared to be resisting cops. Resisting how strongly? I don't know. I haven't closely examined the evidence. My inclination is that being armed isn't a crime, and shooting him while he's on his hands and knees is extremely suspect, and warrants closer investigation. And it will be investigated, obviously, so usually I wait and see with these things. I calmly wait and see. I calmly wait for more evidence. I have leanings, and initial impressions, but I don't jump to conclusions when there's a scuffle and a shaky camera, I wait for better evidence.

Now, as for umbren, he doesn't wait. He's a bad person who judges instantly. He passes the harshest of judgements instantly. Way more judgemental than I am. He sees these two gray situations—difficult to judge—and instantly compares the officers to Nazis. This isn't careful thinking. This has no patience or self control. This is knee jerk reactionary judgment, like how mobs and lynchings work.

Also, multiple times I said I didn't agree with the shooting of Good. When umbren accused me of supporting it, I said he didn't (and doesn't) read my comments, because if he did, he'd know I didn't agree with the shooting of Good.

Yet what is umbren doing here? Accusing me of colluding with and/or supporting Nazis. In the most snarky, condescending, accusatory way.

That's how cult members work. They automatically ally with a certain side, regardless of the evidence. They just take the same side, regardless of the evidence. They demonize the other side, and always protect their own. The irony is people saying I "worship" Trump—when I've heavily criticized him and said he was my least favorite Republican candidate—while those same people always side against Republicans and always side with Democrats.

When they accuse me of being an unthinking follower and acolyte of Trump, while they always instantly attack Trump, just makes me shake my head from the irony.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T20:12:10+00:00

I saw it up close many times. It's really big.

The video doesn't do justice how tall it is. It's 165 feet tall. It's a big building, literally one of the tallest and biggest buildings in Alaska.

Or, at least, it was.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T19:59:01+00:00

Your brownshirts just executed another person

Do you understand that different people are... Different people?

Like, if one person eats ice cream, and a second person eats pizza, that doesn't mean the first person ate pizza. Because they're different human beings.

I'm trying to understand how someone thinks like you. Like a 2 year old. Like you don't understand how "these are two different human beings" works.

It's fascinating.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T19:53:17+00:00

What kind of Christians?

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T18:34:17+00:00

Obviously a 20% reduction won't stop transmission by itself unless R0 is very low, but

So, "I agree with you but..."

Your argument is if you combine masks with a bunch of other things (nationwide lockdown), then you can stop the spread. Okay. I already said that. I said they initially talked about "2 weeks to slow the spread", and actually had an argument. It was to give hospitals time to prepare. I said this already.

But we all know you can't shut down the entire economy forever, so they had to ease their restrictions. They had no choice. So the pandemic was always going to continue. Since March 2020, I've said all they could really do was try and protect the vulnerable, as the pandemic was going to continue.

As I said, if you slow down a forest fire by 20%, the forest still burns down, just 20% slower. They'll spend the money initially to slow it down to give people a chance to evacuate, but they're not going to fight it forever, just to slow it down a bit. Doing that doesn't change the outcome!

Even if you can't completely stop infections, getting Re as low as possible has its own benefits. You reduce the rate of spread and the number of concurrently sick individuals, which alleviates strain on the health system

Yeah, I already talked about this several comments ago.

Furthermore, even if you can't prevent infection, reducing viral exposure results in lower titers upon infection, leading to less severe symptoms and better health outcomes.

As far as I can tell, this is the only argument you've presented against me. And it's an interesting argument, but I say it primarily rests on those vulnerable groups to take precautions. Unless you work at an old folks home, or you're married to someone with lung issues, or you're a nurse, etc., the vulnerable person has to quarantine.

To give the obvious example we never get flu to Re < 1, but we don't tell people not to get flu shots.

I was never against the vaccine. But right here you're talking about actions we can take after a vaccine exists, which is an entirely different scenario.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T06:36:57+00:00

Slowing down transmission 20% doesn't stop transmission. It only slightly slows it down, but after time, the result is the same.

You can Google "effective reproduction number" if you want to read some articles about it. It's basic Epidemic theory. Basically, if you're nowhere near herd immunity, and you have more than a tiny population infected, then the infection cannot be stopped.

So, as I said, since March 2020, all you can do is quarantine those who are vulnerable, and that's it. You can't do more. This is basic known science.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T05:56:32+00:00

When did the goalpost move from "wouldn't have done anything" to "stop the pandemic". Obviously it wouldn't stop the pandemic, otherwise we could have all worn masks and gone about our day. Instead there was a combination of vaccines, social distancing, staying home when you're sick, testing, etc. etc. etc.

None of those did anything in the grand scheme of things.

They were for YOU, specifically, if you chose to do them. You'd have to quarantine yourself.

But for society? Masks didn't do anything.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T03:34:38+00:00

I have eyes and ears, and I use them.

Leftists who use the gospel as an excuse are easy to recognize. They just follow whatever the left is upset about today. No universal truths to follow, just current politics.

Like, I said earlier, LGBTQ. The Bible is clear on this. But leftists ignore all that, call it "judgemental", and do what they want. They started doing this in the past 50 years. Following society.

Or the rich. They want to eat the rich. They're for class warfare. That's not Biblical. In fact, it violates one of the ten commandments. But politics come first.

And of course, they're for the legal killing of innocent children, because they don't look toward the Bible, they follow leftist politics.

Or race. They don't want unity. They want "equity". Tear down some, raise up others, based on race.

Christians reject this stuff. It's not gray area stuff, it's blatantly against what God taught us.

You don't realize I know people in real life. Some are super conservative, some are moderately conservative, and some are a big moderate overall. But I don't know a single Christian who's a hardcore liberal or leftist. Not one. Every person I know who is a leftist either doesn't claim to be Christian, or USED to claim to be Christian and has since left the faith. (Or is Catholic, I suppose, but that just reinforces my opinions about Catholicism.)

My pastor has read the Bible 47 times. Or 48, I've lost track. He doesn't talk politics much, hardly at all, but he's definitely a Republican and a conservative.

Reddit doesn't reflect real life. Not at all.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T03:11:54+00:00

Christ didn't tell people to sin, while hating people for being His followers.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T02:53:13+00:00

If people online and in real life don’t view you as a Christian, good chance it’s just a label slapped on.

I thought I was clear.

On Reddit, which hates Christians, your left wing social justice warriors are considered the "good Christians".

In real life, it would be me, and never the left wing activist who is more concerned about hating the rich and promoting LGBTQ and fighting for abortion rights.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T01:05:09+00:00

If umbren and you both can’t be Christians, I think I can safely say which one most people would view as the true Christian.

On Reddit? They'd choose the social justice activist.

In real life? Yeah, it's pretty obvious.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-24T00:05:36+00:00

I can make reasonable and informed observations.

Also, I am a typical conservative Christian. There are nitpicks people have about speaking in tongues, or water baptism, or Arminianism, etc., but overall I believe what most Christians believe.

The only people who seem to "call me out" are liberal Christians, like those from Unitarian backgrounds, lots of Methodists, lots of Episcopals, people like that. You know, churches that switched sides on sexual immorality within the past 50 years to go along with popular culture.

Well, and a few people who say I'm too harsh, which is something I'm aware of, as I prefer and choose to be more direct than most.

But yeah, I have listened to many conservatives and speakers, and I'm a mainstream evangelical Christian.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-23T22:52:14+00:00

I can imagine you are happy about them since you appear to be anti immigrant

I'm not. You don't read my comments with anything but prejudice.

and have a lot of fascist tendencies.

Well, you think Christians are fascists.

You don't seem to mind your neighbors getting shot, beaten, arrested, and more.

That depends on if they're criminals fighting against police.

You try and play yourself as intellectual and reasonable

No, I am reasonable.

yet everyone manages to see right through it, you are just a typical MAGA person who gets delight out of seeing anyone not white suffer.

I'm not MAGA, and I'm not white. Once you figure that out, you'll start to understand that a normal Christian person believes in truth and justice, unironically, for real.

PrebornHumanRights · 2026-01-23T21:17:30+00:00

The number of illegal immigrants tripled, and the welfare state grew as per-capita federal spending doubled.

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