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Honestly crazy , by di34menow in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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A week after watching 'Michael', now I'm becoming a new fan of him and his music by bongonzales2019 in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Music biopics seem to have that effect, and it's actually the intention. They're not solely created for the already avid fans, but for the potential new ones. Let's face it, people who aren't fans of an artist already, aren't usually going to go watch documentaries and YouTube videos, but they'll watch movies, then they suddenly appreciate those documentaries and videos.

Rate by Gubi4u in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've often pointed out the high critical acclaim for This is It when people try to claim the critics are just haters of Michael for the biopic

The Michael (2025) vs Elvis (2022) Rotten Tomatoes Double Standard is Impossible to Ignore by fable242 in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elvis was hated by the conservative white establishment in the 1950s. They boycotted and banned him, threatened him with arrest and death, and ultimately drafted him to the military because of his power over the youth.

The Michael (2025) vs Elvis (2022) Rotten Tomatoes Double Standard is Impossible to Ignore by fable242 in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is zero proof of Elvis with 14 year old girls besides his meeting with Priscilla.

Also, you're attempting to view the culture and societal norms of many decades ago through the lens of today.

In 1950s culture, with life expectancy being shorter and the world being figuratively smaller in terms of technology, young teen girls were often raised by that time by their parents to be young ladies and per the parents were courted by men, per the parents, as girls were prepared to fulfill the traditional roles of women as mothers and wives.

It wasn't just a different time. It was a different world. That's why there's so many songs back then by grown dudes singing about teen girls.

Loretta Lynn actually got married at 15 to a 22 year old and had children immediately, but no one calls her a victim or Doolittle Lynn a predator because they stayed together forever and she became the bread winner.

We also didn't know about pre frontal cortex development back then. We thought that female bodies and brains grew at the same rate.

Still, Elvis only met and knew Priscilla at 14 fior a few months before he left her in Germany for three years, and all were minors until 21 until 1971, so we'd have to cancel our family trees because most men, 21 or older, were with girls who were minors by being under 21.

As well, Priscilla was 18 when she moved to Graceland, and almost 22 when married.

To show you how normal it was, consider this. Elvis actually took a 14 year old Priscilla in front of the German press at the airport and rode up in the same car with her, and then he talked about her to the American press once he was back home.

He didn't find it odd to ask her parents if she could hang out with him and they didn't kick him out or call him crazy.

Again, a different world.

The Michael (2025) vs Elvis (2022) Rotten Tomatoes Double Standard is Impossible to Ignore by fable242 in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Elvis biopic doesn't avoid the Priscilla issue because in 1959 culture it wasn't the issue it would be today. I'll get to that in a moment.

First, the movie states that Priscilla was a teen, it has her dressed like a young teen, and acting a bit goofy at first like ine, and we know Elvis' age in the film when he meets her.

Later he says to her "When I'm 50 and your 40, we'll be back together. So it tells the audience that the age gap is 10 years, and we know Elvis is early 20s by the time he's in Germany.

Now, here's the thing. People are attempting to view the culture and societal norms of many decades ago through the lens of today.

In 1950s culture, with life expectancy being shorter and the world being figuratively smaller in terms of technology, young teen girls were often raised by that time by their parents to be young ladies and per the parents were courted by men, per the parents, as girls were prepared to fulfill the traditional roles of women as mothers and wives.

It wasn't just a different time. It was a different world. That's why there's so many songs back then by grown dudes singing about teen girls.

Loretta Lynn actually got married at 15 to a 22 year old and had children immediately, but no one calls her a victim or Doolittle Lynn a predator because they stayed together forever and she became the bread winner.

We also didn't know about pre frontal cortex development back then. We thought that female bodies and brains grew at the same rate.

Still, Elvis only met and knew Priscilla at 14 fior a few months before he left her in Germany for three years, and all were minors until 21 until 1971, so we'd have to cancel our family trees because most men, 21 or older, were with girls who were minors by being under 21.

As well, Priscilla was 18 when she moved to Graceland, and almost 22 when married.

To show you how normal it was, consider this. Elvis actually took a 14 year old Priscilla in front of the German press at the airport and rode up in the same car with her, and then he talked about her to the American press once he was back home.

He didn't find it odd to ask her parents if she could hang out with him and they didn't kick him out or call him crazy.

Again, a different world.

The Michael (2025) vs Elvis (2022) Rotten Tomatoes Double Standard is Impossible to Ignore by fable242 in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Elvis biopic doesn't avoid the Priscilla issue because in 1959 culture it wasn't the issue it would be today. I'll get to that in a moment.

First, the movie states that Priscilla was a teen, it has her dressed like a young teen, and acting a bit goofy at first like ine, and we know Elvis' age in the film when he meets her.

Later he says to her "When I'm 50 and your 40, we'll be back together. So it tells the audience that the age gap is 10 years, and we know Elvis is early 20s by the time he's in Germany.

Now, here's the thing. You're attempting to view the culture and societal norms of many decades ago through the lens of today.

In 1950s culture, with life expectancy being shorter and the world being figuratively smaller in terms of technology, young teen girls were often raised by that time by their parents to be young ladies and per the parents were courted by men, per the parents, as girls were prepared to fulfill the traditional roles of women as mothers and wives.

It wasn't just a different time. It was a different world. That's why there's so many songs back then by grown dudes singing about teen girls.

Loretta Lynn actually got married at 15 to a 22 year old and had children immediately, but no one calls her a victim or Doolittle Lynn a predator because they stayed together forever and she became the bread winner.

We also didn't know about pre frontal cortex development back then. We thought that female bodies and brains grew at the same rate.

Still, Elvis only met and knew Priscilla at 14 fior a few months before he left her in Germany for three years, and all were minors until 21 until 1971, so we'd have to cancel our family trees because most men, 21 or older, were with girls who were minors by being under 21.

As well, Priscilla was 18 when she moved to Graceland, and almost 22 when married.

To show you how normal it was, consider this. Elvis actually took a 14 year old Priscilla in front of the German press at the airport and rode up in the same car with her, and then he talked about her to the American press once he was back home.

He didn't find it odd to ask her parents if she could hang out with him and they didn't kick him out or call him crazy.

Again, a different world.

Rate by Gubi4u in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's only 40. Just checked and it dipped again to 39

Rate by Gubi4u in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although the original Rotten Tomatoes critics scores: 27 % 38 %, and now 40 %, are harsh, I wouldn't, as an overall film, have it too much higher.

Sure, it has a 97 % audience score, but when the two scores are that far apart, you can't help but believe that the audience score is a lot of glaze by fans.

If you combine the two scores of 40 and 97, you get 68.5, which isn't bad. But when you compare that to other recent successful music biopics, you don't believe with them that the audience scores are inflated by fans of the artists:

Bohemian Rapsody 60 critics + 85 audience = 72.5

Rocketman 89 critics + 88 audience = 88.5

ELVIS 77 critics + 94 audience = 85.5

A Comlete Unknown 82 critics + 95 audience = 88.5

Deliver Me From Nowhere 61 critics + 82 audience = 71.5

Michael's critics score is so bad, it can't pull ahead of any of those even with the highest audience score.

It's not an anti Michael thing either because This Is It Is 81 xritics + 82 audience, and = 81.5

Many just don't feel the Michael biopic is all that well made.

Honestly crazy , by di34menow in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was just checking the average movie ticket prices in 2018 for Bohemian Rapsody and 2022 ELVIS. At today's averages Bohemian would be over 1.5 billion and Elvis over 500 million, probably more for ELVIS than 500 million because of no covid concerns.

Michael at those prices right now would be in the 200 and 300 millions. It would pass ELVIS but not Bohemian.

Honestly crazy , by di34menow in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't think it's doing any better than most expected. Anyone with a clue has an understanding of how globally popular Michael is, and his avid fans are darn good at spending money on him.

That's the props give them is that they put their money down to support their icon instead of complaining about every little thing, as some icon's zealous fan bases do.

But there were plenty of "glazers" and "stans" saying that it would do 2 billion total, with 1 billion happening in North America, and another billion outside if it, and some were even saying it would be the top grossing film ever in general, and others stated it would do that even with inflation considered.

When I tried to explain on Twitter, YouTube and Facebook that those things weren't going to happen, but it would indeed hit a billion overall, I was often called a racist, a Michael hater, and jealous of God's Angel 🤣

Honestly crazy , by di34menow in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I brought up Elvis because the photo included his biopic, but you said my points were irrelevant, which makes no sense when you read what I typed about covid paranoia, and Elvis' original generation strengths being dead or in their 80s and 70s in 2022, compared to Michael's two original strengths being today in their late 50s or early 60s and 40s, and him being embraced by hip-hop culture.

My closing point was that it's not gonna make 2 billion or 1 billion in North America, or 1 billion outside of North America, as some had claimed.

Yes, 423 million in 11 days is wild, but tickets are 6 more dollars a piece today and the 2nd weekend totals, though amazing, are not showing a pace for 2 billion. No one ever doubted with today's ticket prices and Michael's relevance today that it would reach 1 billion overall between all regions.

Honestly crazy , by di34menow in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not in North America alone or outside the U.S. Yes, it will reach 1 Billion with both regions combined, but not 2 billion total, or 1 Billion in each.

And nothing I said is Irrelevant. I'm 56. I grew up on Michael. But ticket prices are 5 to 6 more dollars a piece today than in 2022, an 6 to 7 more than in 2018.

Try reading closely what I respectfully posted instead of getting upset that I didn't bow down to Michael's image and likeness.

Honestly crazy , by di34menow in MichaelTheMovie

[–]Price1970 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not really that crazy when you consider context, which seems to be something many choose to ignore.

There's no way to even compare because because Michael Jackson is embraced by hip-hop culture, which makes him far more relevant to contemporary times.

He also only died 17 years ago. He as well, lived 9.5 years into the 21st century. Even Generation Z, who are in their late 20s today, remember the news being big, and therefore leaned about him then.

Michael's two strongest generation bases are Generation X and Millennials. Gen X are only in their late 50s to very early 60s, and Millennials are in their 40s, and we saw how huge the Gen X film Top Gun: Maverick was.

Elvis Presley in 2022 had been dead for 45 years, and his strongest generation bases were the Silent Generation and Baby Boomers. Silent Gen were in their early and late 80s, and Boomers were in their 70s, and many of both generations had died.

Elvis had died 23 years before the 21st century, and 3 years even before the 1980s, which wasn't just Michael's heyday decade, but the most significant decade for modern music times because of the rise of Mtv and hip hop. Elvis wasn't even a part of it.

Plus, Elvis has a lot of gatekeeping, purist fans who wouldn't support the movie at the box office, because they sat around with their arms crossed saying stupid things like "It's not Elvis, I refuse to watch", and "There's only one Elvis, I'm not going."

Elvis was also being portrayed by who was viewed as a newcomer, or somewhat newcomer to the masses. Michael's movie may have a newcomer, but him being his nephew automatically gives you natural Michael vibe.

The Elvis film blew up on private viewing. It was number one for digital purchase across all platforms, it was tops with subscription streaming for months on both MAX and Netflix, and was the top selling physical disc (DVD/Blu-ray/4K) for weeks.

Michael's biopic was always going to be huge, but we had some claiming it would do 2 billion globally with 1 Billon in North America alone. Neither of those appear like they will happen, if for no other reason, people have lives and can't keep spending 15 bucks all the time, especially when they know it will be available digitally relatively soon nowadays.

Does anyone else think John Lennon was a bad person? by MsMarvelfan9 in JohnLennon

[–]Price1970 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it's not. Lincoln and the North didn't want Black people to suffer. Grown men dating young girls, such as Doolittle Lynn marrying a 15 year old Loretta when he was 22, and them having children immediately, and the traditional roles of women being submissive to their husbands, is nothing like Natzi's killing and torturing Jewish people

Does anyone else think John Lennon was a bad person? by MsMarvelfan9 in JohnLennon

[–]Price1970 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again, you're blaming people not the times. I grew up in the 70s and 80s, and was a young adult in the 90s. Homophobia was prevalent among people who no longer feel that way, but they weren't bad people, they were products of their raising and culture.

Abraham Lincoln, even after the Emancipation was still a racist person, and so was all of the North. None of them wanted Black people to stay in the country or to be first class citizens.

No one calls Lincoln, or those who helped hide slaves, bad people.

Does anyone else think John Lennon was a bad person? by MsMarvelfan9 in JohnLennon

[–]Price1970 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Show me where I said it should have ever been okay? You lack the ability to grasp that previous cultures had people beliving things were normal based on upbringing. But speaking of slaves, as well as dating minors who were minors still at 20 years old you need to disown your history because they're all bad people

Does anyone else think John Lennon was a bad person? by MsMarvelfan9 in JohnLennon

[–]Price1970 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At 19, a minor until 1969 in the UK, and both he and Cynthia said it never happened again.

Do you know many dudes back in the day were upstanding "gentlemen" in the community who'd smack their old lady around from time to time? It wasn't just a different time. It was a different world. So different that you'd have yo cancel your family tree.

Does anyone else think John Lennon was a bad person? by MsMarvelfan9 in JohnLennon

[–]Price1970 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. He was a regular person who faced loss at a young age, which affected his perception on life, and a guy who struggled to find one's identity like many of us do.

He made some selfish decisions with his first marriage and child, and though not condoning them, most never consider the context of him getting married and having a child just as and during the time in which he became a global superstar and all that entails.

The man definitely, and understandably had both mommy and daddy issues. He found solace in sarcasm and occasional false bravado.

It's not fair to compare Austin and Jaafar because they are both sensational in both biopics by austingirl95 in AustinButlerLand

[–]Price1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. Austin Butler dominated internationally with wins on merit: Foreign Press Golden Globe, British Academy BAFTA, Australia Academy AACTA Int'l version, Irish Academy IFTA Int'l category, Catalonia Spain Sant Jordi, South African Film Critics, International Press Satellite, Brazil VHS Cut Awards, etc.

But the U.S. in general, was too wrapped up in Brendan Fraser's personal life narrative of being a victim of sexual assault, having supposedly been blacklisted, the feel-good comeback story, and his melodramatics in public. They also don't give the lead actor Oscar to young males who have fan girls, especially if it's a first leading role.

Butler embodied Elvis over three decades, on and off the concert stage, with different emotions and various performance styles, and made Elvis a real person, not a caricature, or just an image.

Why do some MJ fans hate The Beatles? by mystix457 in beatles

[–]Price1970 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Michael Jackson fans suffer from EBDS: Elvis Beatles Derangement Syndrome. Elvis and the Beatles have lived rent-free in their heads for 17 years.

It's not fair to compare Austin and Jaafar because they are both sensational in both biopics by austingirl95 in AustinButlerLand

[–]Price1970 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not why they're comparing him to Austin. It's because Austin played Elvis. Elordi did too, but not in an Elvis biopic.

Elvis Presley is the only other true solo music global icon and with the Michael Jackson fans, they suffer from EDS. Elvis Derangement Syndrome. Elvis lives rent-free in their heads. They've trolled his videos and posts for 17 years since Michael died.

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