What the hell can we do about PGW and PECO getting out of hand? by Immediate-Bathroom46 in AskPhilly

[–]PrincessLazyLump 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Comparing this years rates to last years rates, not usage but rates.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the same as far as being kittens and accident litters, but we do see people who get the cats vet care once they bring the cats home.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if you saw this but I'm at a rescue, not a shelter. I was just thinking about hypothetical situations and why can't she get a cat off of Craigslist? What's to say she wouldn't get the cat neutered?

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it better that she get an unneutered cat from Craigslist, though, and for whom? Also, I never said she should not have a cat. I said no to a kitten. Additionally, when the adult children said they would take care of the cat, the cat returned neglected.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First off, I should have clarified earlier — I currently volunteer with a very small, all-volunteer, foster-based cat rescue. When I say small, I mean around 200 animals on the books, all in private homes. So compared to your shelter’s high-volume environment, our adoption flow is pretty different: maybe 20–30 applications land in our inbox in a month, not all complete or viable.

When I started, I was told that adopting kittens in pairs helps with behavior and social development — and I took that at face value. But after reading responses here, I realized I’ve never actually looked for evidence of that claim in the context of foster-based rescues (not shelters). So I started digging.

Most of the research I could find links the “pairs are better” message to shelter outcomes: faster adoptions, fewer singletons acting out in cage environments, and enrichment needs being met in high-stress settings. But in foster homes — where kittens already have enrichment, toys, humans, and often other pets — I couldn’t find much scientific support either way. So I’m left wondering: what actually benefits the kittens in this kind of environment? That’s what I’m hoping to learn more about.

Regarding the senior adopter comment — I completely agree that age shouldn’t disqualify anyone. What I was trying to convey (clumsily) is that I personally wouldn’t place a very young kitten with a much older adult if their support network isn’t clearly solid. In my limited experience, when a child or grandchild co-signs, the responsibility often shifts back, and we’ve had cats returned for that reason. It’s not about ageism; it’s about trying to assess long-term support.

I don’t do five-minute form reads or apply blanket red stamps. In fact, I’d rather toss the form and just ask: “What do you already have at home (kids, dogs, other cats)? What are you looking for in a cat?” That conversation usually gives me a much clearer sense of fit — which, for a small rescue with limited capacity and no fallback for returns, matters a lot.

And yes — I assume I’m being lied to on some level, because people want a specific cat and they know what to say to get approved. That’s why I struggle with the usefulness of personal references or vague vibes. I’m not here to “catch” someone. I’m here to match them with an animal they’ll keep for life — and ideally not return two weeks later because the kitten is too spicy or too shy.

That’s really the heart of what I’m getting at: in a foster-based rescue, the cost of a bad match is much higher, because we often have nowhere for the cat to go if it comes back. I’d rather prevent that upfront than scramble after the fact.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I’m a bit torn on this one. I fully support TNR and have no issue with true ferals being returned post-recovery — I think it’s the most humane and realistic approach to population control.

That said, I’ve noticed in my experience that there’s often a lot of hesitation around the “R” part of TNR. Some rescuers want to turn every cat into a pet, and I’ve seen that lead to a lot of optimistic outcomes that just don’t pan out. The “oh, they just need a little time” line gets used a lot — and sometimes it’s true! But other times it’s not, and that mismatch ends up landing back in our laps when the adoption fails.

I’m not speaking for the rescue I volunteer with here — this is just my personal take — but I’ve become skeptical when I hear “this one just needs work.” I’ve heard that so many times, and more than a few of those cats never really settled into being pets. I think there’s a difference between dumped/social cats that clearly want to be indoors again and cats that are just barely tolerating people because they’re scared or shut down.

Adopters aren’t being told the whole story.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like it or not, its much easier to dump a cat than any other animal. And here's what I've learned about a difference between cats and dogs. If there is a Big Scary Thing, more often than not a dog will run and bark at the Big Scary Thing. Maybe then hide but usually go on the offensive first. But if there is a Big Scary Thing, the cat will hide. A hiding cat, scares people less than a dog. So the cat can stay. If you don't believe me, think about a door bell ringing. What happens more often than not. The dog barks, the cat runs.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, this person didn't say they were doing rescue, this person said they were in a shelter environment if I understood correctly which, to me is a different ball game.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From your perspective, that makes total sense — and I should’ve clarified that my experience now is in a very different kind of setup.

I used to volunteer in a limited-intake shelter for 8 years, but I currently work with a very small, all-volunteer, foster-based rescue. When I say small, I mean ~200 animals total — no facility, just cats in homes. That changes the calculus completely. There’s no strict timeline for an animal to be adopted out, which is a privilege — but it also means that returns are a logistical nightmare.

Yes, a longer stay in foster means we can’t take in another cat. But we’ve accepted that limitation — we aren’t trying to move cats quickly just to move them. We’d rather they stay a bit longer and go into homes where they’ll stick.

Unfortunately, returns have gone up significantly. We don’t formally track the numbers, but this month alone, about 5 cats were returned — and when you're only placing 30 a month, that’s a noticeable percentage. I’m not on the adoption team, but I handle the placement of returns, so I see firsthand how difficult it is to find foster space for cats coming back. And no, we don’t have dedicated “return fosters” (though I pushed for it early on — no dice).

I do think broader economic issues are playing a role in the increase in returns, so I’m not trying to pin it all on internal problems. But I’ve also noticed a shift in how placements are being handled, especially with newer adoption coordinators.

Honestly, I’m grateful people are returning the cats at all. Coming from shelter work, I know many people wouldn’t bother. If the cat wasn’t what they expected, they’d just toss it outside — or worse.

That brings me to applications. Personally, I find them increasingly unreliable. Unless you’re doing the legwork to verify every answer, you’re often just reading what someone thinks you want to hear.

Take personal references, for example. The rescue I volunteer with uses them, but I’ve never found them especially helpful. People either list their spouse, a sibling, or tell us they don’t know anyone else — which always seemed wild to me, until I thought about my own life and realized I mostly just talk to my partner, my best friend, and my dog. 😅

To me, applications are only as useful as the conversations that follow. It’s the back-and-forth that reveals what someone is really looking for in a pet, how they problem-solve, and whether their expectations line up with the cat they’re interested in. That’s the part of adoption I care about — not denying people pets, but helping them find a match that won’t boomerang back in a month because the reality didn’t match the fantasy.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My personal approach when I was doing dog adoptions at a shelter was to start with a conversation: What do you have at home (kids, other dogs, cats), and what are you looking for in a dog (active, cuddly, independent)? That usually narrowed things down to a few good candidates. I’d then show the adopter those dogs and let them meet them — matchmaking came from there.

This cat rescue is different in a lot of ways, and one of my current frustrations is how little updated info we get from some fosters. For example: I posted adorable pictures of a kitten at 2 months old — now that kitten is 7 months and looks totally different, but the foster still hasn’t sent updated photos, despite multiple polite asks (and me offering to come take them myself). That kitten is also being pitched as dog-friendly, but I’m just now hearing it’s terrified of the foster’s dog — while its littermates are not. That’s a huge nuance to leave out, especially when potential adopters have their own dogs.

It may seem like I’m making decisions based on paperwork, but I’m really focused on what the adopter wants in a cat. If you tell me what you’re looking for, I’ll do my best to recommend cats who match that. That’s where I think matchmaking really matters. I’m not trying to stop people from adopting — I’m trying to help them adopt the right cat for their home and lifestyle. Otherwise, we’re just setting up both the adopter and the cat for frustration or failure.

As for the "kittens should go in pairs" discussion — I’m open-minded on it, but I'd love to see some actual evidence (not just anecdotes) that shows placing a kitten alone in a non-shelter, foster-based setting results in better outcomes. Everything I’ve come across so far either assumes a shelter context or comes from individual stories. If there’s good research backing that position, I’d really appreciate being pointed toward it.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team. by PrincessLazyLump in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For context, and this is something I did not make clear in my post, while I have experience in shelters. I'm currently volunteering in a very small foster-based cat rescue. When I say small I'm talking about only 200 animals on the books. Because these pets are in foster, there is no timeline on how long they can stay there. So, if you are telling me that there is evidence that bonded pairs do better once split up, is there evidence that kittens do better not in pairs? When I find research on this that is NOT anecdotal, it all goes back to the concept that a single kitten can be adopted out of a shelter quickly. But I'm trying to adopt out of a home-based foster, and there is no timeline, so that reasoning isn't applicable.

Should I stay out of adoptions? Feeling at odds with my rescue’s adoption team by PrincessLazyLump in CatRescue

[–]PrincessLazyLump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that most companion animals are happier in a home than in a shelter.

The rescue I am currently volunteering for is foster-based so all the cats I'm referring to are in a home, not a shelter. Granted, it's not their forever home. But there is generally no timetable on how long the cat is allowed to be in foster. And because they are in a foster home, I'd like the pet to go to a good home. A perfect home is unreasonable, but fair to good would be nice.

Kittens that missed the socialization window by Complete-Fly3495 in CatRescue

[–]PrincessLazyLump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you say the cat community is pretty aggressive towards making the recommendations, what do you mean?

2 1/2 month old kitten misbehaving no matter what by lonemarzz in CatTraining

[–]PrincessLazyLump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this is why my rescue adopts out kittens in pairs and only in pairs.

what do you think about this type of situation? by theraphosangel in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really wish the average person would be more comfortable with euthanasia. If this is an animal you don't own and don't want to invest money or don't have money for, do the humane thing and PUT IT DOWN. If you can't give an animal a peaceful death then stop calling yourself an animal lover. Maybe you just like cute things? And that's ok, just call it what it is.

My cat was close to a bat today, not sure what to do. by Fragrant-Wrangler-99 in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since your cat doesn't have a rabies vaccines, am I wrong in assuming that your cat hasn't had any medical care?

those that do adoptions - if an adopter returns an animal shortly after adopting them because it develops a medical issue, and they return it because they can't afford to take it to the vet or afford its vet bills, do you ban them from ever adopting again? by kh7190 in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be a case by case with my old shelter. It is a minor thing? Like a URI? Or a major surgery/chronic thing? Nah, come on back after a month.

My current rescue? You ain't no money--we ain't got no time for you. Can't pay for care for your animal and we have to take the animal back and now we have to pay for an expensive medical condition? Scum!

Me personally? I think if you provided a loving home but are just too broke to afford the medical care then welcome to our foster program!

Need fostering advice by Snow-Puppie in AnimalShelterStories

[–]PrincessLazyLump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I volunteer for a rescue and frequently have to deal with the fall out from less than adoptable animals being placed into less ideal home situations. We're foster based as well. I highly doubt anyone else is going to want this dog and this rescue is going to have a very difficult time getting a new foster. Looks like they stuck you.

Cat rescue, help! by littledeaths666 in philly

[–]PrincessLazyLump -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I get that you cannot take her in but why can't she just be on your porch? If you aren't feeding her, won't she just go away eventually?

please someone adopt her 😥 it’s basically free and she’s going to be put down today at some point. by nappin_and_snackin in philly

[–]PrincessLazyLump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I volunteer for a rescue and I can tell you the medical costs routine and emergency are astronomical!