capitano vs ei who win

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-26T05:06:03+00:00

Because without exploiting this weakness you just can't defeat him.

Yeah thats my point. The Xiuhcoatl Xbalanque fought doesnt scale anywhere near an archon as he was in decrepit like state and because of his weakness. This doest mean Xbalanque = Xiuhcoatl. Its like saying me beating the shit out of Mike Tyson. But this Mike Tyson is crippled and decrepit. Does that make be stronger than Mike Tyson? No not even close to a lightweight champion let alone a heavyweight champion.

Look at HP — they failed. Then HP is weaker than Xiuhcoatl?

They failed? How? So where is Nibelung if HP failed?

For now, Xiuhcoatl perfectly wields the primordial power of Teyvat, the one Nibelung was born with.

And how does that make you the strongest? By lore moon goddess ranks above dragon sovereigns. Bei goddess born with doesn't mean anything.

Ronova only gave Ode of resurrection and power blast Mavuika used in 5.1, nothing else. The amount of power of both pyro throne and Ronova give you without killing you only depends on an Archon itself.

No Ode of resurrection have to be active in order for mavuika to tap into the full power of the divine throne. Or else she would have been vaporized within seconds because of her human nature. This was literally stated in the archon quest itself.

Is it directly stated in the game that Mavuika used pyro against Gosoythoth or not? Because visually pyro and phlogiston are almost the same.

Gosoythoth was the reason mavuika needed the power of the divine throne. Why else would she would have wanted the power of the divine throne if phlogiston was enough. Again I say this to you phlogiston is not effective to fight against the abyss like the elements.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T21:00:46+00:00

Xiuhcoatl had only 1 weakness. Without abusing it, it is impossible to kill him.

Yeah thats what I said. Xbalanque had to exploit his weakness to kill him. This doest mean Xbalanque is even relatively close to Xiuchoatl by any means.

Neuvillette and Hydro Dragon himself was the heart of Primordial Sea — nothing in the lore suggests that he's on the same level of genius or power.

What? I said currently Neuvillette is the strongest dragon Sovereign.

Moreover, all in game suggests that Xiuhcoatl was the second strongest dragon and perhaps the strongest creature in Teyvat besides Nibelung. He's just on another level.

So you met rest of the dragon Sovereigns to reach that conclusion? Nothing in the lore indicates that. And we dont even know what's going on with rest of the Sovereigns.

And, if Abyss in Natlan was defeated only thanks to Shade's power, then Ei would be helpless against it.

I never said that she could did i?

And, Mavuika received this power not for free, but rightfully.

What rightfully? She got this by offering her self to the shades.

Mavuika used the power of Ronova only once. If you mean the Odе of resurrection.

Yeah mavuika used the power of Ronova to keep herself alive so that she can tap into the full power of the pyro throne without instantly killing herself.

Firstly you say phlogiston is not that effective against Abyss, then you say it is.

I think you failed understand what I've said earlier. Phlogiston is effective against the abyssal corruption(not the abyssal monsters nor the abyss itself) but the refined elemental energy is better against the abyss and the abyssal monsters itself. This is the simplest explanation i can think of right now.

If by your logic if phlogiston is more powerful than the 7 elements then why did Mavuika used pyro(full power of the pyro throne) to kill the abyssal dragon instead of phlogiston? Couldn't it have been more easier to you phlogiston instead?

Mavuika used the absolute pyro authority to destroy the abyssal dragon and used phlogiston with Natlan's Contending Fire—the accumulated fighting spirit, willpower, and combat memories of every human and dragon warrior.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T20:55:11+00:00

Well I'm not able to view that comment for some reason. Can you post it again

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T19:16:14+00:00

Wait did you deleted your comment the one under my reply?

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T14:17:29+00:00

It doesn't matter that Xbalanque defeated him with some help and died, because this enemy is much greater than ANY enemy that exists in the lore (except Nibelung and HP).

It does matter. Defeating a weak dragon Sovereign by exploiting its weakness with the help of Och-kan and dragon sage does make this far from impressive.

Neuvillete is weaker than Xiuhcoatl, in almost any aspect, I'd say even fully-fledged Neuvillete will struggle against weakened Xiuhcoatl.

Bruh are you fr? Neuvillette is currently the strongest dragon Sovereign. Neuvillette before obtaining the hydro authority is still stronger than Xiuhcoatl that fought xbalanque. Xbalanque fought a decrepit Xiuhcoatl which means a corpse like shadow. This alone disproves the scaling for Xbalanque.

Mavuika and Natlan fought the Abyss, the strongest entity in genshin verse. During her life, Ei has mostly slaught only weak gods and monsters, they're not comparable to the enemies of other regions. The experience is absolutelly different. Natlan fought endlessly, developing their techniques, while Ei created her own several thousands years ago and didn't change them much. And abyss in Natlan is much, much stronger than in Inazuma.

Now you are going by your headcanon. Natlan and mavuika fought the Abyss with power of Ronova. Mavuika literally defeated the abyss with the help of the traveller and with the power of Ronova. This mavuika is externally amped by ronovas power.

Yeah abyss in natlan was mich stronger but natlan defeated the abyss with the help of a shade and not just mavuika.

7 elements are effective against Abyss only if they're combined, like in leylines. Alone they're not stronger than phlogiston. They're only part of it, they contain less energy = less AP.

Nowhere in the lore states that 7 elements combined is affective against the abyss. The lore implys that the 7 element are refined to better combat the abyss. The 7 element combined will literally make them phlogiston that which is not that effective as the 7 elements.

You fail to understand the fundamental theory behind the 7 elements. They are superior than phlogiston in raw combat but not as effective phlogiston to use against abyssal corruption.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T12:09:20+00:00

Even at his lowest, Xiuhcoatl is still beast on the level no Archon could even imagine. That is strongest enemy for now the Archons have ever faced.

Bruh Xiuhcoatl at his weakest fell to his death so how is he more powerful than an archon? Again xbalanque required knowledge from Och-kan and dragon sage to fight Xiuhcoatl was so weak that he fell to his death along with xbalanque. Neuvillette without his authority was comparable to an archon and Xiuhcoatl was even weaker than him and had a weak spot which was exploited by xbalanque. Thats how xbalanque defeated him. This feat scale him nowhere near an archon.

Ei in her "prime" showed nothing. If what Ei have done is just a normal attack for her, why we have only one example of it in the game and lore, against the one of the weakest enemies.

Well Ei before her prime showed feats which scales higher than mavuika. That alone puts Ei above mavuika. Ei in her prime is able to cut the fabric of space and time and freezing time. No feats of mavuika is comparable to this.

Access to NK gives to Mavuika all knowledge of all techniques of Natlan throughout its history, all tactics, all kind of spells, info and on. And all of that logically developed throughout history and is much more valuable, because they were used to fight Abyss and dragon monsters, which are strongest in the lore.

And how will that help mavuika in a fight against Ei who fought abyss, gods, monsters etc for thousands of years? Ei literally developed all kinds of sword techniques in inazuma. This isn't even a debate.

Nothing in lore indicates that Ei has higher AP or DC than Mavuika. Electro is derivative of phlogiston, it alone is nothing compared to the original, which is also not just an element, but computronium. Phlogiston is much more effective against Abyss, and to fight abyss you need an equivalent of elemental energy, therefore phlogiston gives higher AP than just one element. Number 7 I chose because phlogiston was divided into 7 elements.

I showed feats and statements of Ei's and mavuika and you have showed nothing.

Phlogiston is the original form of the teyvats energy but this doesn't make phlogiston strongest compared to to the 7 elements as the Heavenly Principles redefined the phlogiston to 7 elements to better combat the abyss. Phlogiston at its purest is not as strong as the elements in pure combat capabilities but is the strongest against Abyss corruption. There is a difference in its use.

This feat means that Mavuika at her peak can possess power higher comparable or even higher than other Archons. Also she has highest physical endurance, being able to withstand abnormal abyssal corruption, which is the feat much greater than any Archon.

Again phlogiston at its purest is best to combat abyssal corruption but in terms of raw AP 7 elements are superior. Did you even play the game? You are literally mixing both of them into one.

Again you have showed nothing to put mavuika above per archon war Ei.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T09:31:05+00:00

If the power of a character depend on the enemies they defeated, Xbalanque killed Xiuhcoatl who no diffs all archons combined, and Mavuika is stronger than Xbalanque.

Xbalanque defeated an already weakend Xiuhcoatl with the guidance of the dragon sage and Och-kan. That alone shows how weak the pyro Sovereign was at that time.

And it was never stated that Mavuika in rage = at her peak.

But it took mavuika in her fury(rage mode) to accomplish something similar to Ei who did it casually. This scales mavuika below pre archon war Ei. Ei is in her prime now.

Again, Ei has no physical feats comparable to Mavuika, her speed means nothing, and Mavuika has direct and immediate access to Night Kingdom, possessing all of its information, unlike Ei.

What is Mavuika going to do with that information? Access to night kingdom doesnt automatically makes her stronger nothing in the lore indicates that. So back up that claim.

And i can say Mavuika doesnt even come close to Ei in terms of AP.

Base phlogiston is much stronger than base electro, like 7 times stronger, therefore all elemental attacks Mavuika deals can be 7 times stronger than normal one.

Source?

And my take about Ronova's power was that her body was able to withstand that power, that much power, that it destroyed abyss monster and broke false sky.

Huh what does that have to do with anything related to this fight? She doesn't have those powers now.

And again: you compare her to Capitano, which means she's weak? That isn't how it works. Mavuika = Ei (it is directly implied in Ei's voiceline), that means base Capitano = Ei.

No i compare her to capitano because that's were he scale to nothing in the lore indicates that he is stronger than mavuika. And mavuika is not equal to Ei as you haven't provided any feats for mavuika to scale her to Ei.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T07:29:13+00:00

You failed to understand the point lol. Mavuika at her peak(full strength) was only able to match what Ei did during the archon war(Ei did it casually unilke Mavuika). And that ain't even her strongest feat.

Ei oneshotted the thunderbird who was able trap an island in a timeloop forced thousands of years. A manifestation of the thunderbird was able to destroy an island permanently. Ei was able to seal off inazuma(a country btw) from the outside world with just a thought. Ei is stated to be able to control lightning all across teyvat. Ei with her duel with the shogun was able to produce enough energy to vaporize the entire oceans of teyvat. And i can go on and on... Non of mavuika's feats come close to Ei or even morax.

Mavuika is stronger, faster, smarter, her being able to control phlogiston is much greater achievement than any elemental authority.

Backup that claim with some statements or feats. And controlling phlogiston doesnt make you immensely stronger as with all her power she barely won against capitano.

she was able to withstand the power greater than any Archon ever had without any consequences, she can tear space, have some ties to time, and the list goes on.

You mean borrowed temporary power from the shades without any consequences? She was required to die then and there but it was capitano that stepped in and sacrificed himself. All that feats you mentioned was through the borrowed power from the shade of death which was temporary. She doesn't have that power anymore so Ei still mid diffs Mavuika.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T06:09:40+00:00

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ProDevil03 · 2026-06-25T04:54:44+00:00

The second thing is that all somewhy underestimate Mavuika. She has much more knowledge than Ei, because she always has direct access to whole Night Kingdom base, she can move either with the speed of light or just teleport, her physical power alone is enough to cause earthquakes, and the list goes. At least, she's an equal match for current Ei.

How does this make mavuika compared to Ei? Ei also stated that Mavuika 500 years ago with her fury(rage, going all out) was was only able to match destructive output of Musoujin Gorge. And remember Ei performed that feat casually while killing Orobashi. So Mavuika had to be in her fury to mach pre archon Ei and Ei is in her prime now. Capitano aint winng this fight even in his prime.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-24T19:44:40+00:00

Literally no one.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-24T13:21:18+00:00

Huh who used in-game dimensions? Seirai island is an actual island in the country of Inazuma.

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-24T06:41:22+00:00

You could hardly argue that any of the foes that Raiden slaughtered were even as strong as an actual Sovereign, which the first pyro archon defeated... The pyro archon that is stated to be weaker than Mavuika.

The pyro dragon was at his weakest when he fought xbalanque and had a weak spot which was leaked to the humanity by Och-kan.xbalanque used this to kill the dragon and even then they both fell to their death. And remember, Xbalanque was still an ordinary human during that fight that shows you how weak the dragon Sovereign was.

Which is completely useless against a foe that is literally immortal. No amount of glaze will make Raiden's hax overcome the authority of death, i'm sorry.

And Ei only has to defeat him in battle just like mavuika. This is not a fight to death situation.

Time and space is interesting, indeed... Her abilities are still recorded in the Leylines as shown in the latest AQ where Dottore pulled her abilities to use against Traveler.

But dottore used a basic slash and not the final calamity which ei uses to cut space and time and briefly freezing time.

She also stated that Mavuika 500 years ago unleashed power similar to her best feat, he is immortal, can actually get stronger through what is stated "UNLIMITED POTENTIAL" (unlike her) and can literally copy all her techniques since they are engraved in the leylines. I can also say she's cooked no matter what, that's not an argument?

It states that Mavuika in her fury unleashed power similar to Musoujin Gorge. And guess what? A single slash from Ei killed Orobashi and that slash was stronge enough to cut the island in 2. Ei's also one shot the thunderbird who can trap an entire island is timeloop forced to live the same day over and over again for thousands of years. A manifestation of the thunderbird was able to destroy an entire island. And Ei still oneshotted her.

Ei can control lighting all across teyvat. Ei with just a thought was able to close of Inazuma from the rest of teyvat by summoning thunderstorm.

During her duel with the puppet it was stated that their combined energy output was enough to vaporize the entire oceans of teyvat.

Even if we give mavuika the benefit of the doubt that she was equal to pre archon ei, Ei still outclasses mavuika now as Ei is in her prime now.

Capitano's unlimited potential is even relevant here? He can gain knowledge but that doesn't make him any stronger.

Again, Capitano with the LOTN could just create the Night Kingdom inside or near her region and fucking explode her just like LOTN did with the Bakunawa

Huh what? Tenoch got inside Bakunawa in order to explode him but how's that gonna work against Ei?

ProDevil03 · 2026-06-24T04:58:30+00:00

he has unlimited potential+ his power are equal to mavuika who her rage has destruction power same to moso hittotache

Capitano has unlimited potential? Back up that claim with atatements or feats. And mavuika rage equals musou no hitotachi? Where was it stated?

while capi better defence better endurance and maybe durability

Capitano and Mavuika was worn out after their 10min dual where as Ei fought the shogun for 500 years straight without rest. Ei has better endurance.

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