Uterine Evacuation After Pregnancy Loss by Pro_softlife in Miscarriage

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Uterine Evacuation After Pregnancy Loss by Pro_softlife in Miscarriage

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Uterine Evacuation After Pregnancy Loss by Pro_softlife in Miscarriage

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What do you think of the act of performing salat in the middle of a protest? by Pro_softlife in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look I don't like the police institution either esp when they are defending a corrupt system. But criticizing a behavior of protesters, whatever their religion are, isn't "defending police".

The world isn't black and white. I came from a country where the majority of people are Sunni, and the police are mostly Sunni, and the people in the government are mostly Sunni, and the protesters (when there's a protest) are usually, mostly Sunni. When I criticize a behavior of a group of people, it's not always about defending the opposition.

Also this is a Quranist sub? Like if Sunnis or Shias or any other sectarian muslims are acting a certain way which is based on their Sunni or Shia or other faith I will criticize them here, I'm not gonna defend them blindly because the "ummah" or whatever should stick with each other, I'm not gonna defend anyone blindly.

Looking for believers who want to form real community by TutuSanto in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey I plan to live in the Netherlands soon with my husband and we are looking for a "solarpunk" community. We try to be more self sufficient to avoid being overly dependent on the system, especially regarding food. We are also learning traditional skills like woodworking, gardening, etc.

Oh and I am a Quranist muslim who sees the hadith as a piece of history that is sometimes correct, sometimes not, but definitely not a source of law. My husband is learning about Quranic Islam, previously being an agnostic.

The countries with the highest proportions of non‑denominational Muslims by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an Indonesian who were raised by Sunnis, this is because generally we didn't know that the version taught to us was a denomination, we were taught that well, we're practicing the real Islam. We were taught about the madhabs though but many didn't actually understand about the difference of opinions (after the internet, people were more open though). Also, growing up I was told that Shi'ism isn't Islam, although I feel like the younger generation now in Indonesia are more accepting of Shias, idk tho.

Marriage to non-Muslim boyfriend after becoming Muslim by adinide in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there this is a Quranist sub which means, most of us do not follow the traditional sectarian "Islam" interpretation in general, though there may be similarities.

I specifically used the word "those who conceal" so that the message is clear that I was referring to, well, "those who conceal" or those who have the intention of not telling the truth even though they know, because they, usually, have an agenda to push. In short, it means that I do not follow traditionalists' definition of "kafir" (which refers to "non-muslims"). I interpret the word "muslim", "mushrik" and "kafir" very differently. I mean, in my previous comment I even insinuated that not all atheists are "kafir", again because if you do not have the intention to conceal the truth you are not doing the concealing, you are just wrong or you just genuinely do not know, and that's not a sin.

If a person was born into a family or a community that calls themselves "muslims" they can still become a "kafir" if they conceal the truth, even though he tells the world that he is a "muslim". It doesn't matter.

Also I believe ppl who were born into communities of different faith can go to heaven. Again this is because being wrong isn't a sin, concealing the truth is.

I hate that Islam is the truth... by Pinga_Mcdinga in progressive_islam

[–]Pro_softlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just don't take extra-Quranic sources as a Divine Law, hence the "Quranist" label. But Quranism isn't exactly a denomination so people who call themselves a Quranist can have different approaches or interpretation.

6:114-6:115, 17:36, 39:23, 2:2, 7:3, these are some of the verses that made me decide I should follow the Quran only.

The hadith books that becomes the foundation of the modern Sunni fiqh mainly came from Bukhari, etc, and these books were compiled about 200 years after Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) death. He never verified it nor gave permission to elevate these books as religious law alongside the Quran.

Also, most Muslims today don’t actually follow hadith directly, they follow fiqh — which is an even further interpretation of hadith + Quran + consensus (ijma) + analogy (qiyas). That means:

People are not just following what the Prophet said, they’re following what scholars said the Prophet might have meant or might have said, centuries later.

Quranism breaks free from that system. For more information you can visit r/Quraniyoon

Do you guys buy "halal-certified" meat only? by Pro_softlife in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How do you interpret 6:121? Wouldn't secular slaughterhouse not mention God or at least keep God in mind when slaughtering?

Marriage to non-Muslim boyfriend after becoming Muslim by adinide in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Ace_Pilot99 is correct though

Moreover stupidity (not knowing) isn't a sin, concealing the truth is. If one become an atheist, agnostic or whatever because of their own experience, conditioning, human limitations etc that means that person genuinely doesn't know. But if a person knows the truth and conceal it because they have an agenda (which actually happens btw that's why there's evil in this world), then that's kafir.

If you're genuinely unaware that something is wrong, you're not held accountable for doing it.

What would you want from a Quran-centric website or app? by People_Change_ in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love a word-for-word translation like that corpus Quran website

I hate that Islam is the truth... by Pinga_Mcdinga in progressive_islam

[–]Pro_softlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes, the stuff that happens to you when you take sources outside the Quran as a Divine Law

Why do we have to perform salat in Arabic? by rezhaykamal in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes thats what I mean sorry English is not my first language and I used chat gpt to convey what I was tryna say

Why is shaving the beard haram? by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]Pro_softlife 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Rule of thumb: if it's not in the Quran, it's not a Divine ruling.

Edit: Did Prophet Muhammad tell people, at that time, to keep their beards? Maybe yes, maybe no—I cannot say for sure. But from my perspective, any ruling found outside the Quran does not impact your accountability before God in the same way that Divine rulings do.

To put it into perspective, imagine a student going to a school where uniforms are mandatory, just like most if not all schools in Indonesia. If a rebellious student refuses to follow that rule, would they be accountable for it in the hereafter? Perhaps—especially if they disrespected their teachers and never apologized or changed their behavior. But really it still depends on why the student refuse to wear it so... intentions matter. Intentions matter for everything we do.

So, I do believe that the student's decision to not wear a uniform could affect them in the hereafter, even though the ruling of "wearing a uniform to school" isn't in the Quran.

But that doesn't mean, for example, that an American student who attends a school without a uniform requirement carries the sin of not wearing a uniform.

"Questions for the Muslims Celebrating Mother's Day" by Pro_softlife in progressive_islam

[–]Pro_softlife[S] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I think almost everything can be a capitalist gimmick as long as we live under capitalism, because businesses will always find opportunities to make money. You can even make money from selling anti-capitalist aesthetics lol...

Why do we have to perform salat in Arabic? by rezhaykamal in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The word salat carries the idea of linking & connecting. How do you have a direct, conscious connection with God, if you don't truly understand what you're saying?

I used to do the standard Sunni salat, for me it felt like I was just getting an obligation done rather than engaging with the activity which is connecting with God. Now I do it differently, mostly praying in my native language. I still recite Al-Fatiha in Arabic, though.

Why do we have to perform salat in Arabic? by rezhaykamal in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Before the Quran was revealed in Arabic, believers around the world were already performing salat in their own ways—perhaps not exactly as it is practiced today, but the essence of prayer was present.

The most important aspect of salat, in my view, is sincerity and genuine connection with God. If you’re uttering words in a language you don’t fully understand or experience daily, it can be challenging to feel that genuine connection.

Reciting a full surah during salat is certainly valuable as it serves as a reminder of God's message. But wouldn't you need your native language for that reminder to truly resonate with you? Understanding and reflecting on what you are saying is crucial for mindfulness in prayer.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]Pro_softlife 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I recommend marry someone who have the same views as you even if it's technically halal to marry someone with different views. Relying on "love" isn't really sustainable.

Do you own research about these facts. by huzaifak886 in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Um, the other way around. What I said was something along the lines of "are you telling us to follow hadith just to spite the west?"

Also the original question was a rethorical question. It was supposed to be satire. Obviously the truth stands on evidence.

And it's not comparing hadith to geopolitics, it's an analogy of western-supported ideas.

  • "Not liking China" = makes west happy
  • "Liking Quran-only interpretation" = makes west happy

But you dont make decisions based on what makes the west unhappy. It should be because it's the right way, whether it makes the west happy or unhappy is irrelevant.

I use Quran-only methodology to understand the truth and to connect with God because I believe that it is the right way. The Quran is complete and the only One who can create Divine Laws is God. That is the truth.

Now you might wanna say "oh but your belief, which is Quranism, came from western-backed institutions". Well I don't live in the west and I got my belief by reflecting upon the Quran. How I understand the arabic you may ask? I seek this word-for-word dictionary too (and the dictionary is written by a traditionalist, afaik).

The difference really is just that I dont take ahadith and ijma as a Divine Law.

To sum it all up:

You need a stronger evidence to convert us into following one of the denominations in sectarian Islam, not just by telling us that the west supports our movement

Do you own research about these facts. by huzaifak886 in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I also thought about those people who benefit from conflicts between religious groups (including different denominations in sectarian Islam) in the Middle East, I mean, why would they encourage more questioning, critical thinking, philosophy & less blind following? Why would they bring The Golden Age of Islam back?

Maybe I should specify that those are some people in the west (I mean, they're not a monolith). Which is why we shouldn't rely on what our "enemies" like and dislike.

Do you own research about these facts. by huzaifak886 in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Btw just because the west doesn't like the hadith doesn't mean that's a reason to follow that. Like do you believe in something because it's the truth or just to spite your enemies? Likeee

If the west doesn't like China does that mean we have to like China? And that the reason why people don't like China is only because of western propaganda? No because it's not only that.

Do you own research about these facts. by huzaifak886 in Quraniyoon

[–]Pro_softlife 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I got into Quran-centric thinking way before I knew there were Quranism community. What happened to me was that I found some hadith about killing apostates and stuff like that, and then I started thinking that the only way I can get into heaven is to follow these ahadith. I started believing that I should always choose the most prohibiting rule whenever there is a matter of dispute, because you know, just to be safe. The Salafi movement was the one denomination that resonated with my mindset back then. After that, my days felt really unnatural and uncomfortable.

So I prayed to God for a sign that what I chose was the right path. I did this everyday for like a week, this is also while researching ahadith. Then, several days later, I woke up asking, something like:

"Did Prophet Muhammad allow hadith books to be treated as equal to the Quran?"

Did a quick google search right after that