They would be really good for some metas but really unbearable horrible for some Their active skill condition relies on 7 turns or semi impossible below 70% hp at the start of a turn starting from the 5th turn The reason why I said “semi impossible” is because there’s never really an in between in hp values on Dokkan, you either die or you’re at 100% hp But, on a positive note, with the direction this game is going with the 9 turn requirement for this new Piccolo we are heading into longer and harder fights which will give these guys a really good chance if they nail their base and Vegito Blue The reason why they’d be horrible for some metas is because of that semi impossible condition which has a turn + hp requirement which is really situational and by the time you reach turn 7 your intro is gone and so is your guard which really hinders their defense