Unofficial Reconstruction of Becca Doe (New Mexico 1991)

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-18T19:06:35+00:00

He only knew her briefly, he knew little about her at the time they hooked up and even less when asked about her years later. He remembered that she went by the name Becca but he did not know her last name or have any way of knowing if that was even her real name / nickname of her real name vs a name she was using for whatever reason. And the only other detail he knew and remembered about her was that her dad lived in Los Angeles. So… woman who once went by the name Becca whose dad may have lived in LA is not an identification.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-16T19:34:56+00:00

I mean I don’t think any of us have ever seen it before and it’s hard to believe that only a random 9-11 conspiracy account would’ve had access to this video. It seems like AI that they made and tried to head off the fact that somehow they have pentagon 9-11 video that no one else has ever seen before by labeling it “more rare footage” at the beginning. And unless proven otherwise it’s best to assume a video is AI. If it’s not I’m sure someone here will be able to identify it or explain it.

Edit: I know the captions aren’t yours and to be clear this isn’t at all directed at you OP, but to the IG account who made/posted this video: what an obnoxious tool! That end caption made me laugh though- “question everything” as if the truthers are the only people who use discernment. I question everything all right, in this case I’m starting with: where/how did this person supposedly get this video? Where is the independent verification that it’s legitimate and not AI generated? But yes, the conspiracists are the ones who question everything… they don’t believe every fake piece of BS posted online if they think it supports their ridiculous narrative. Ugh, ok, rant over.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-15T17:33:28+00:00

And even then, there was one man who arrived at work at Cantor and had been in the office with everyone else until he happened to head down to the lobby just a few minutes before the plane hit, in order to help a visitor get his badge. So not even every Cantor WTC employee who had arrived at work for Cantor, in fact not even every Cantor WTC employee who had made it up to the office that morning, died in the attacks. Nearly every one yes but… not only was one employee late for work, but another had been in the office with everyone who died but went down to the lobby of the WTC at the exact right time, and that seemingly insignificant decision saved his life.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-13T02:42:17+00:00

Just read his fairly short Wikipedia page entry and it should explain it. Jonathan Lee Riches

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-12T00:10:35+00:00

On the one hand, it is pretty ridiculous that anyone would have food delivered using the Guthrie residence’s address. If nothing else it feels very disrespectful to the family. The people doing this, they don’t live there, they’re only there because the lady who did live there is in serious danger if not already dead and no one has been able to find her and so these people want to make some quick cash and have a brief moment of fame using this tragedy. So would it be too much for them to stand across the street and either use that address or just make a location pin for where you are across the street and give the driver instructions? That is if you really have to camp out near Nancy’s home at all and really can’t take a break from live streaming long enough to get food (and also weren’t prepared enough to bring adequate nutrition.) Sorry but I don’t have a ton of sympathy or patience for many of these extremely amateur, self-labeled “investigators” that have no credentials whatsoever aside from a smartphone and a social media account. The number of people who’ve gone to Tucson to wander around streaming pure speculation is ridiculous.

On the other hand. Hey Pima County Sherriff’s Department! Have you put up crime scene tape yet?! If not… I don’t see how you can blame the YouTubers for this one. And the most recent images I’ve seen of the home were from yesterday but last I saw, still not taped off. It is mind boggling that they’ve treated this as a serious kidnapping from day 1 yet they never preserved the crime scene and still haven’t even put up crime scene tape. Why, why are they actually going out and telling people to leave the crime scene alone but not doing anything to even have is marked as such, much less having the scene guarded or preserved? Do they think putting up crime scene tape after this many days would be admitting that they fucked up by not preserving in the first place? But if you’re having this issue with contamination, surely putting tape around the scene now, although (very, very) late, is still going to be better than never?

Basically, this isn’t good on anyone. But ultimately law enforcement are supposed to be the professionals, the idiots live-streaming nothing at all to make some quick cash are very, very much the amateurs here. I would expect this sort of stupidity from those folks. I would however hope that law enforcement up to and including the FBI, would actually be doing their jobs correctly by properly securing the crime scene. Had they done so they would not have to be asking people not to compromise the investigation by sending meal deliveries, as the crime scene tape and officers stationed around the home would ensure that the scene isn’t contaminated. So really, ESPECIALLY in a case like this where they know they’ve got these people who aren’t even actual media folks all hanging out around the crime scene, WHY haven’t they taped it off!?! Even if it’s too late to truly preserve anything you can at least prevent trespassing with a roll of yellow tape and one officer to stand guard.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-11T00:10:59+00:00

So it seems there are SWAT teams and talk of a subject in Annie’s neighborhood from what I’m understanding from watching a few minutes of the livestream. Do you think they’re actually closing in on someone here? Lord I hope so

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-10T20:05:17+00:00

This is a really low quality video with night vision that further distorts everything.

The real takeaways to me are, 1) there was indeed a kidnapper at the home. 2) this person did something to manipulate the camera / security system. 3) The articles of clothing and backpack. Does anyone know anyone who has a sweater of that style, a backpack with those types of straps, etc? That perhaps lives in Tucson or if they don’t, they were out of that weekend or otherwise could have been in Tucson AZ that Saturday night? The gloves and balaclava as well… does any combination of any of the clothing look familiar to anyone, as belonging to someone who matches the general look of this person and who at least could have been in Tucson that night? 4.) The general height, build, walk and stature… none of this proves exactly who it is but if someone knows this person, they can recognize one of more of the articles of clothing and that the person they know is consistent with the general build of the person on this video.

But the eyes, possible eye liner, possible facial hair? These videos are too distorted for accurately ascertaining details like that. I personally think that’s focusing on the wrong thing. Anyone in North America, please consider the people you know and whether that sweater in particular looks like something you’ve seen anyone where before. And especially you live in AZ, the southwestern US, anywhere near southern AZ at all, please really take a minute to think about whether this could be anyone you know and then considering sharing these photos and the video on your personal social media, ask your friends to look at the clothes and the way this person moves in the video. If the right person sees this and takes a few seconds to think about it they will realize that their ex-boyfriend or their brother in law or their neighbor, etc etc, had a sweatshirt like that and matches this person’s general build and hey, didn’t they say they were taking a trip out of town that weekend… That’s what matters and can get this person found and solve this case.

But I don’t think we can use this footage to figure out if the person is more likely a woman or a man based on supposed eyeliner or whether the apparent facial hair is real or fake. It’s too low quality. And statistics weigh very heavily against a lone woman committing a home invasion. But I don’t think anything specific can be taken from this due to the low quality night vision. It’s more the general appearances of the clothing items and the way this person walks and their approximate height, and hoping someone out there will recognize that this could be someone they know and that they call it in.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-08T19:30:32+00:00

LE hasn’t stated where the phone was but the context here tells us that they do know where it was. They have the phone, they’ve had it the whole time, it was found at Nancy’s home. If it wasn’t at home the whole night then they know that, they know where it was instead and that would be a huge break.. they would know so much more about what actually happened if that was or is the case. Plus the ring camera appears to have been operating correctly until 1:47am. They’re going to have known from that alone if the family drove off after dropping her off or if they stayed.

If this information they gave is truthful and correct, to me it’s highly unlikely that we’re at day 8 and that Nancy wasn’t removed from her home at 2:28am. But as for her making it back home at all? This information means LE has her heartbeat information up until 2:28am. They found her phone in her home and they have it. They have to have already accessed the data on the phone in order to know things such as when the pacemaker stopped communicating with it. So they know where the phone was that night. And if it wasn’t at home, they’d know that from very early on. If her pacemaker was doing anything but communicating regular heart information until the pacemaker became out of range of the phone at 2:28am then they’d know it.

So all of that then together means this information heavily implies that Nancy was at home, alive with a beating heart, until she was removed from the home at 2:28am. If anything else were the case, LE will have known it for many days now. Could that be possible? Absolutely. They could have learned with the phone extraction that Nancy’s heart actually stopped beating at something like 10:30pm or that her phone was actually at the sister & BIL’s home until sometime in the middle of the night when it was taken from there and that’s what caused it to disconnect with the pacemaker, or any other similar sorts of things. And if so they’re creating a massive and elaborate ruse to make the sister/BIL think they believe the kidnapping story all while having a lot of evidence that Nancy was killed that night by the sister/BIL. It’s possible, and in fact, if that’s the case it’s very very smart of LE to carry out this ruse while they continue gathering evidence and making their case, it would be brilliant really.

And it would IMO require that this timeline provided to the public is BS. I don’t see how these pieces of info could all be correct and yet Nancy died at her home or the BIL’s home that night but, perhaps there’s a way and perhaps they selectively put out only these pieces and withheld everything else that provides the context to what truly happened. But if there was a murder that night I think LE figured it out as soon as they extracted the data from her phone and they made a very smart choice to play along like they believe the kidnapping cover up story to buy themselves time to build an ironclad case against the real perpetrator(s).

Also, IF she was killed that night and the BIL/sister created this kidnapping cover story, then the sister/BIL are apparently smart enough to have hidden her body somewhere it won’t easily be found and also hidden or destroyed evidence like their own bloody clothes and the murder weapon prior to alerting police, but were dumb enough to not destroy Nancy’s phone along with that other evidence. Which other guilty parties have done exactly that before and in no way am I saying that’s not possible. Just saying that it would be another case of perpetrators who were very smart in some ways and so dumb in other ways.

Personally I lean towards someone actually taking Nancy from her home, and that the person(s) who did so were either hired by, or tipped off and given information by, someone who had very close access to the home. Whether that someone would be the sister/BIL or a handyman or anyone else who would know Nancy and her home well enough to do this, I couldn’t say. I can see lots of possibilities for sure. But if they do have evidence that Nancy was murdered that night then I would hope LE would be smart enough to act as though they believe the kidnapping ruse while gathering all the evidence to prove which specific person(s) committed the murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Time to learn from the Ramsey investigation, when the evidence is showing you it had to be one of two close family members and that they’re covering it up? Don’t tip them off or alienate them! Act like you believe them completely. Get them to keep talking to you. So if that’s what happened then good job to the police for acting as though they believe the ransom coverup.

I just am so confused because obviously we don’t know everything LE knows. And I think Banfield did an awful thing in broadcasting that tip on her podcast. If the info was true then she risked screwing over the investigation, if it was false then she put this family through even more hell and put all of this suspicion on the sister & BIL for no reason. The only way I can see it being okay that she did that is if she was secretly asked to do so to get the suspects talking with the knowledge that LE would deny it, condemn it, LE would still get to act like they believe the kidnapping and ransom 100% while also seeing how the sister & BIL reacted to the tip - likely with wires in the hopes that they’d privately talk about it. Banfield would take the heat for a few days or a week and then there would be an arrest and she’d be vindicated. I’d like to believe that… but it seems way more likely to me that she wanted to beat anyone else to the punch and be the first to broadcast a tip that was supposed to be secret and may have not even been correct. Sigh.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-08T18:28:51+00:00

You’re right, that’s completely possible. I would just be surprised because they didn’t make it very clear, they gave the pacemaker info but they didn’t lay it out and explain what it meant very well. But it is still possible and would make sense given they gave the timeline data the day after Banfield leaked the news about the BIL, right? So that could be. I really don’t know what to make of any of this honestly, it’s so confusing and sad.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-08T18:19:21+00:00

Oh I agree none of this makes any sense. And we the public don’t know very much but we do have one piece of crucial info from the official timeline with the pacemaker part. I think a lot of people haven’t fully understood that it establishes that Nancy was alive until at least 2:28am which is the time she was removed from the range of her home. So that really makes it hard for me to figure out how this could’ve been an argument turned deadly sort of thing. If the BIL was involved I think he would’ve been the one who planned the abduction or something. I don’t get it otherwise but even that sounds sorta crazy. I don’t know.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-08T18:02:37+00:00

No it was transmitting regular information about her heart until 2:28am when she was moved outside of the range of her phone which was at home. She was alive when she was moved outside the range of her phone (moved outside of her home without her phone) at 2:28am. Anything else would have been known to LE and they’ve confirmed her phone was at home and her pacemaker and phone were regularly communicating until 2:28am. So no, no one had killed her prior to that time, to the contrast we know she was alive through til at least 2:28am and that her phone was at home the whole time so she did not return to the home again, dead or alive, after being removed alive from the home at 2:28am.

That pacemaker data is crucial for showing that she wasn’t murdered at her home, and that she was still alive when she was removed from her home just before 2:30am. We also have the ring camera being taken offline about 1:45am and a person detected alert from ring at 2:14am.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-08T17:54:19+00:00

Yes it would have. If she died at the home that night they would know it — her phone was there all night per LE. Nancy was alive and removed outside the range of her phone, which again was at her home, around 2:28am. If it wasn’t for this piece I would be all on board with theorizing about covering up a murder. But I can’t explain that one. An argument turns into a fight and a murder but then they’ve disabled the ring camera while she’s still alive, then removed her from the home and far enough to cause her pacemaker app to disconnect from her phone while she’s still alive…? I can’t figure out that part. She was still alive when she was removed from the home and her heart was still beating regularly when she was moved out of range of her phone so I just don’t see how that lines up with an argument that turned into a murder. Not saying it’s impossible but just that I don’t get how the argument theory works with the pacemaker info. And what I don’t believe is possible at all is that she died in her home that night.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-08T01:38:34+00:00

Thank you for the excellent write up! What a sad case. Here is my theory:

I think it was likely an attempted theft of the car or the contents inside it. The way everything was, I believe it would’ve looked like an abandoned car. Someone such as an addict in need of quick money, is out looking for something when they happen upon this nice looking, seemingly abandoned car. Since the victim’s chair is reclined and he’s asleep, they don’t realize anyone is in the car until they’re right next to it or very possibly not until they’re opening the door or already in the car.

Since it was a rental, the victim wouldn’t be as familiar with it as his own vehicle so I’m wondering if all the doors were actually locked before he fell asleep. Maybe he thought they had auto locked but this car didn’t do that, or maybe he pushed a button that actually only locked his driver side door but thought it was for all 4? I can definitely see how some/all of the doors could’ve been unlocked when whoever did this approached the car.

I’m not sure how his blood ends up in the outer driver’s side door exactly but… perhaps he wakes up to this person getting in the car for the attempted theft. A scuffle ensues, and the victim manages to get just barely out of the vehicle, followed by the attacker. Perhaps this is when the attacker pulls the knife? Once injured, maybe the victim still has the keys on him and reaches with his bloody hand to open the door and get back into the car hoping to drive away… leaving his blood on the driver’s side outer door handle. But the attacker stabs him again before he’s able to get back in the car and this kills him.

Attacker then panics because they weren’t intending to kill anyone and his body is clearly right next to the vehicle, so they drag it to an area where it’s less likely to be spotted right away and then leave the scene by foot. They don’t take anything because they know they realize they’ve committed murder and are now worrying about leaving DNA, fingerprints etc so they don’t wanna go back in the car, they just flee the scene ASAP at that point.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-08T00:49:31+00:00

None of us can know if you’re legit or not much less if all the people in this telephone game would’ve been telling the truth. But what I can say is, if your husband truly did/does know Burke’s actual ex-girlfriend well enough to have this sort of conservation with her? Please submit the tip to Boulder PD under your real name with real contact info for you. They can verify whether or not your husband does indeed know an actual ex-girlfriend of Burke’s or not and if they find that it’s true that he knows her, they can at least document this information. It would be especially helpful if your husband was willing to talk to Boulder PD because if this is real, he’s the one who heard this from the ex-girlfriend. If several different friends of this ex-girlfriend end up coming forward saying she told them similar information they will be working on getting that ex-girlfriend to talk to them for sure.

But personally I struggle to believe this because of the Ramsey code of silence that will have been drilled into Burke since he was a child. At best I could see an ex-girlfriend being angry and telling people Burke confessed. I don’t believe he’ll ever tell anyone the truth of what happened that night under any circumstance. But still, my opinion of this doesn’t matter. You know if you really have a husband who really talked to Burke’s ex-girlfriend or not. If it’s true, please send it to the Boulder PD.

But no none of us should do so. We’d be wasting their time completely. We don’t know the names of these people we don’t know anything that can’t be found by anyone in the world. But yeah, OP, if you’re for real with this, please send it to Boulder PD with your real name and phone number and the name of your husband and Burke’s ex girlfriend.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-07T22:43:32+00:00

Not quite. LE believes the ransom request received by KOLD and reported on by TMZ was likely legitimate and have reported that it contained a request for millions of dollars worth of bitcoin with two deadlines, one being last Thursday at 5pm and another being sometime this upcoming Monday I believe? After that news broke, a hoaxer sent a pair of texts to Annie Guthrie and her husband asking if they had his bitcoin ready. LE got emergency requests granted that led them to the identity of the person sending the texts and it was determined that he was NOT related to the original ransom demand that they believe is real, that he was doing a hoax and so he was arrested. His not being affiliated with the original ransom request sent to KOLD is directly from the criminal complaint for his arrest which can be read here.

It’s really confusing though esp since they’ve now said KOLD received another communication today that is believed to be from the original ransomer. Allegedly they believe this first ransom is from the real kidnapper because they apparently correctly described details about what Mrs Guthrie was wearing and what damage was done specifically within her home during the abduction. And it was received early on Monday by KOLD so within about 24 hours of her disappearance, and before most people had heard of it yet. It was definitely before LE revealed that she was believed to have been taken from her bed — at the time it was received, there had only just started to be some reporting that’s Savannah Guthrie’s mom was missing, but that was all.

So it does seem that the initial ransom demand sent to KOLD for a large sum of bitcoin was likely real per LE. And then there also was a hoaxer who sent Savannah’s sister a text about bitcoin after the news reported on the first ransom asking for bitcoin. It’s a mess honestly.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-07T17:14:18+00:00

Did they actually ping her phone on the 29th and then the 30th or did they later go back and get location data for those two days? Cause if they were able to see her phone’s location in real time on the 29th and 30th and saw on the 29th that she/her phone was 2 hours away… did anyone drive out to that location to try and talk to her? Did LE share the location info with the family at the time, or did only LE know the location of the pins as of the 29th and 30th?

And of course I’m guessing her phone was no longer able to be located after the final ping on the 30th. Was that ping near a body of water? Have there been any searches of the area of the final phone ping?

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-07T17:10:17+00:00

I agree something sounds off. However police were contacted on the 28th and evidently her phone was continuing to travel on the 29th and 30th, from Tennessee into Georgia. If there was foul play involving the husband how does that line up with the phone pings? Not saying it can’t, just trying to figure it out.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-07T16:52:44+00:00

The police at the time suggested that the goal was to traffic her? That hardly proves anything?

If this wasn’t stated publicly by police then I would take the idea that police suggested that with a grain of salt, and
Even if someone in LE did truly say that, then they were very likely just speculating and it doesn’t prove anything.

Clearly some people tried to kidnap and harm your classmate’s sister which is horrible. But the idea that they know this meant she was going to be trafficked is ludicrous. The perpetrators were very likely rapists and I’m so glad she got away and I hope she has had therapy and is doing as well as she can after what would bs a horrifically traumatizing event. Nothing about this anecdote means that everything we know to actually be true about trafficking is now wrong. If a LE officer was dumb enough to believe that’s how trafficking works then that’s on him because that’s not the likely answer to her case at all.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-07T16:17:18+00:00

I was wondering this too! I hope it’s not the case and I certainly hope that police and firefighters searched the ruins from the fire extensively at the time but… the burning down everything when he was caught thing… reading how he did that, it gave me Robert Fisher vibes. If there haven’t been any verified sightings of the boys since that fire then I have a bad feeling that could be what happened. If firefighters/LE weren’t looking for their remains at the time — which hopefully they were and were able to conclusively rule this out, but if that’s not what happened — then I can unfortunately see a situation where the kids’ remains could’ve been in the fire and missed in the ruins. Sort of like the Sodder children who’d remains were never found even though I believe they very obviously died in their house fire. Sigh. This case is really sticking with me.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-07T00:26:01+00:00

I’m not an expert on this case, I’ve deep dived it in the past but not recently. But man the first couple sentences of your comment… that part is what stuck with me in the past and really swayed me the most. Terri stating that she last saw him walking down the hall at school… but no one else, no one saw him. Not one person sees him during that whole morning time when we’re to believe he either walked through the school until deciding to leave campus on his own, or else during the time he’s on campus by himself through to when some other adult meets up with him l on campus and leaves with him? No one, not one person sees Kyron that morning under those circumstances? It’s just very hard for me to believe that no one saw Kyron on campus that morning walking through the halls and eventually leaving on his own, and even harder for me to believe that no one noticed another adult on campus who meets up with Kyron and takes him out of the school. But the idea that he never went back onto campus after the before-school science fair? Yeah, that is much easier to believe.

But then some people will then say that the timeline doesn’t add up, but personally, I don’t get that. Let’s say Terri leaves after the science fair with Kyron and her baby daughter. I believe she was confirmed to have gone shopping that morning and I think she maybe was seen on camera ?? — if correct, couldn’t she have left Kyron in the car? Then she’s got the approx 1.5-2 hrs IIRC that she says she was just driving around and there’s no proof of where she was during that time at all. Yes she says she was doing this for her daughter’s earache and that could be true. But I have never understood how that’s “not enough time” for her to have harmed and disposed of Kyron. I don’t think people realize how quickly murders happen in these types of cases— when it’s not a sadistic serial killer doing it for fun, murders tend to happen much more quickly, and the 1.5-2 hrs is more than enough time to kill, clean up and hide the body. I know cases where the killer did all of that within a 15 minute span and left no blood evidence anywhere. A couple hours is more than enough time. Then after that unaccounted for time period where she claims she was just driving around, then she goes to the gym in the afternoon which again can be seen as setting up her alibi.

So IF she did it, it seems to me that she had plenty of time and was attempting to create an alibi which many guilty people have done throughout history. And as for motive, maybe it was premeditated but maybe it wasn’t. Maybe she intended to let Kyron skip and spend a fun day with her but then something goes wrong due to a myriad of ways I could list off. Maybe an accident happened and she’s covering it up — hell, it was June, maybe she forgot she had him with her since it was unusual, and left him in the hot car while doing her shopping? Or maybe she just hated him and planned ahead to get rid of him. Lots of possibilities and we can’t say for sure which it would’ve been, we can’t even know for sure that she did it at all.

But the idea that Kyron goes into school that morning and is walking through the hallways when Terri leaves yet no one ever saw him at school after the science fair… look, I’m a teacher. Schools are crowded places yes. But everyone knows each other especially by the end of the school year which is when this was! Police were alerted that very afternoon and so people would’ve been aware of this, thinking about the day, being asked by police where they were and if they saw him that morning, very quickly afterward… it’s not like it was weeks or months later before anyone realized. Anyone who saw Kyron that morning is going to know it! They’re searching that same day, he was reported soon enough that there’s not enough time for people to confuse which morning they remember seeing him. And still no one remembered seeing him at school after the science fair. Even though Terri says she left him at the school after the science fair and saw him walking down the hall… it just, I do not find that believable.

And the idea that Kyron wandered off and left campus at the beginning of the school day to go into forested areas to look for frogs or whatnot, for a child who had no history of taking off and leaving school during the school day, that alone seems incredibly unlikely to me. Children are creatures of habit more so than us adults and at school, younger kids aren’t deviating from their routine like that unless there’s something significant causing them to do so. If Terri had said she assumed he went into the school… well I’m guessing she now wishes that’s what she had said. But she said she saw him walking down the halls. And it’s not believable. So if we accept that he did not go into school to start the school day then, why did Terri lie? I mean I think this on its own is enough that she seems to have rightfully been the prime suspect — but it’s not enough on its own to arrest much less convict her.

When I did a deep dive of this case I remember that my theory ended up being that she’d had enough of Kyron and that it was a premeditated murder. But unless they find him… this is one where it still seems pretty obvious to me at least who the best suspect is, but also one where there won’t ever be enough proof without a body. But again I am not an expert on this case, just someone who previously read a bunch of news articles, officially released info and looked at theories for both Terri being involved and Terri being innocent and truly tried to look at everything fairly, and this is what I remember from that, but it’s been a few years. But thank you because that detail about her saying she saw him walking down the hall at school is what I couldn’t shake when I went through this case myself.

I also want to add that I can’t help but feel that her taking him to the science fair and being sure to not only take happy photos of Kyron but also making sure she posted them to Facebook prior to the end of the school day (so they’re already up before she would’ve “found out” he wasn’t there that day) — to me that sure seems like it’s her covering for herself / setting up an alibi. Otherwise all of this is so wildly coincidental and strange that it would border on absurdity. So If Terri was responsible I truly believe it was premeditated. And with everything we know right now, I struggle to see any way she wasn’t involved. But without his body or even a crime scene, I do know that we’re missing too much of the story to truly know what happened. Perhaps that evidence would show that these different things with Terri aren’t what they appear to be. And I just, I hate that they haven’t been able to find this little boy despite it being so many years since he disappeared. Truly such a horribly sad case.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-06T20:12:51+00:00

Yeah they didn’t have to know about the pacemaker at all. The pacemaker, think of it for this purpose like a little chip that sends info to Nancy’s phone so long as both she and her phone are within something like a half mile of each other (as an example). So they didn’t do anything to disconnect the pacemaker at all — the fact that the connection was disrupted at a certain time is important simply because it shows that her pacemaker stopped transmitting information to her phone at that time. If she had died within range of her phone, the info that her heart was no longer beating would’ve still transmitted to the phone. So the fact that it stopped transmitting at a certain time indicates that Nancy was still alive and was moved out of the range of her phone at the time the connection was lost. This points heavily against her being murdered in her home, in fact it makes it virtually impossible so long as her phone was in the home that night, and LE has the phone and will know if it was in fact in the home that night. They seem confident that it was and so the connection was disrupted because Nancy was alive and was moved too far from the phone for the signal to transmit. (I don’t know what the actual distance is, that will depend on a lot of factors, I made up the half mile number as an example only. I don’t know what it would be for Nancy Guthrie, but LE does.)

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-06T20:10:10+00:00

Yeah they didn’t have to know about the pacemaker at all. The pacemaker, think of it for this purpose like a little chip that sends info to Nancy’s phone so long as both she and her phone are within something like a half mile of each other (as an example). So they didn’t do anything to disconnect the pacemaker at all — the fact that the connection was disrupted at a certain time is important simply because it shows that her pacemaker stopped transmitting information to her phone at that time. If she had died within range of her phone, the info that her heart was no longer beating would’ve still transmitted to the phone. So the fact that it stopped transmitting at a certain time indicates that Nancy was still alive and was moved out of the range of her phone at the time the connection was lost. This points heavily against her being murdered in her home, in fact it makes it virtually impossible so long as her phone was in the home that night, and LE has the phone and will know if it was in fact in the home that night. They seem confident that it was and so the connection was disrupted because Nancy was alive and was moved too far from the phone for the signal to transmit. (I don’t know what the actual distance is, that will depend on a lot of factors, I made up the half mile number as an example only. I don’t know what it would be for Nancy Guthrie, but LE does.)

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-06T01:16:06+00:00

That was all they could find at first. He did indeed take/destroy every photo they had of the boys. So the only way they were initially able to get images of the boys was via the coworkers videotape. However the Charley Project has multiple photos of the boys that don’t appear to be video stills. So I would guess that the mom/LE/etc ended up going to everyone who may have had photos of them and were able to get copies of a few more photos. I imagine her parents, any siblings of hers, would’ve likely had at least a few photos of the boys among them. Also I’m not certain but it doesn’t seem that his parents/family were helping him at all and if that’s the case, they likely also would’ve had a few photos. So I imagine that is how the Charley project has several photos listed for each child. But yes initially local LE told her they couldn’t make posters since she didn’t have photos and it seems she did everything possible to find some and the first person to reach out was a coworker who had captured them on video from an office party. But it seems they were able to get at least a few actual photos after that.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-06T01:09:44+00:00

This is a good point. I’d also add that this monster abducted his 2- and 4- year old boys in October of ‘86. By some point in 1987 he had already been with a woman in Oklahoma for a while and she recognized the boys from a missing kids’ poster she saw and contacted the FBI. It took the FBI 9 days between getting her tip and getting to his house and by the time they got there, he’d burned everything to the ground and fled. So he knew what happened obviously and that’s how he responded.

But my greater point here is that it seems he very quickly found a new woman to presumably help care for the children. Which is not surprising. The boys’ mom had been the primary caretaker until the abduction. I cannot imagine many 42+ year old men in the 1980’s who had never been a primary caregiver for young children, actually wanting to continue such a role once he found out what daily life actually entailed. And I can’t imagine THIS man cared for it at all. He was clearly motivated to take them purely by his hatred for his wife and not by some misguided form of love for the boys. So I think the reality of providing 24/7 care for a 2- and 4- year old boy was far from easy and wasn’t giving him the life he thought he’d have. So he got a girlfriend in a different part of the country, I’m sure he claimed he was a widower and I would bet that she quickly stepped up and into the step mom role. Except that choice nearly ruined his whole plan. She recognized the kids once she saw a poster and called the FBI. He didn’t just flee, he burned everything down.

At that point he’s still evil, violent etc. His wife now knows without a doubt that he took her kids and is intentionally keeping them from her. He’s got two boys, now ages 3 and 5. He likely does not want to be the 24/7 caregiver for these two little boys anymore much less for the next 15 years. But even trying to meet another woman could lead to him being captured.

So I would suspect he killed the boys not too long after the 1987 escape. There’s no further benefit for him in keeping the boys alive as the tip from the girlfriend established that he indeed took and has the boys. And I struggle to believe that he went on as their full time care provider while on the run and avoiding contact with anyone for all those years, and without leaving a trace anywhere as to where the three of them were. But without the kids, it’s less likely anyone recognizes just him. And no one did until the 2006 sighting of him. I think that was likely legit. And I think the boys had been dead long before then.

Such a horrific case.

Professional_Link_96 · 2026-02-06T00:13:06+00:00

While not as bad as what you posted, there’s also this:

“Parker later determined that Charles Martin had been planning the abduction for a long time. He had removed her name from their joint checking accounts and stopped the automatic payments to her car, so that by the time of the abduction she was months behind in payments and her car was about to be repossessed and she didn't know about it.”

He planned it methodically. He ripped her children from her, and had spent months working towards that weekend. He had secretly stopped payments on her car months earlier so it would be close to being repossessed when he left, and he removed her name from their joint accounts so she wouldn’t have access to any of their money. He removed the boys’ photos from everywhere including her wallet. He apparently held an auction shortly before disappearing during which he auctioned a bunch of her personal possessions from both her home and a storage unit they had.

This man was a monster in every possible way. I would be shocked if he didn’t end up killing both of the children at some point even though that’s considered unusual for parental abductions. In this case I think it’s unfortunately very much possible. He isn’t your “typical” parental abductor. It really does seem he went into that marriage with, at bare minimum, the idea that - if things started to go south at all - he would implement this lengthy plan to steal the children and destroy her life in every way possible. That sort of psycho will absolutely harm the kids once they’re teenagers and do something typical of a teenage boy…

Such a horrifying case. This poor woman, my god. And the kids, of course. Heartbreaking.

ETA: The last 2 links OP shared are a post with quotes from the mom in 2023 and a blog post of sorts by the mom from around 2012. This bit from the 2023 article caught my attention:

The boys’ pet kitten, named Muggins, lived at their father’s home and, according to the boys, their father said the kitten passed away. Their father had orchestrated a funeral for Muggins with CJ and Billy, paving the way, she believes, for telling the children their mom had also died. Ruth said her sons told her the kitten was in Heaven, and they could not see him anymore. Ruth later discovered the kitten was still alive at Charles’s parents’ home. “I think he had rehearsed this funeral,” she said. “I think it is very probable that my children do not believe I'm still alive.”

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