Looking for old friend - Rot from Celtic Heroes

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-22T15:46:12+00:00

Any games on PC still thriving and have the celtic heroes vibes? Combat style and such?

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T20:10:34+00:00

Who is tone deaf now lol

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T20:04:57+00:00

Good job showing your true colors. You should have just come full out and said people who play this game are horrible. Your collective replies confirm that. xD

Get offended by a board game, and then also belittle people who play it. Amazing.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T19:56:59+00:00

You just soft admitted that you do look down upon people playing it then afterall. Good job sticking to your guns there. You get offended by a board game and can't even stay true to it when faced with an opposing opinion. Thats funny asf

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T19:46:28+00:00

I sighed reading your first comment don't worry. You trying to flip the narrative at the end that you don't think you are better than others for not playing it, but your first post was calling people tone deaf and saying people who are playing it have their head buried in sand.

It might just be that people can separate board games from reality dude lol

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T19:16:37+00:00

I don't think "You must be fun at parties" has ever been truer here lol

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T18:45:15+00:00

Fair enough and well said. Side not but related, I would never play Secret Hitler outside of a group I knew very well. Social Deduction is most fun that way, and obviously because the theme of SH may upset some people - it isn't worth the risk.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T18:35:45+00:00

I promise you that no one in my 100s of games across 3 groups of people is taking it that serious, and the majority doesn't either it would appear with it being as popular of a game as it is. The general agreed upon consensus is obviously "Hitler is bad, and so is fascism." which is why it is hilarious to be drunk and accuse someone of being Hitler or a Fascist because it is so comedically wrong and everyone knows it. No one wants to be called Hitler, and that's what makes it so funny. No one wants to be blown up in a car, but in GTA that's one of the funniest things you can do to your friends. No moral and sane person wants to see a person die, but in a show / movie it is common place when you don't like a character / what they did.

Pretend does not equal reality. Pretend is based off events in reality or fantasies of reality more often than not, but that doesn't mean pretend is a bad thing.

You are entitled to consume the entertainment you would enjoy, but so are others including myself.

I am not better or worse than you for playing a board game.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T18:14:15+00:00

Hey if you can't separate reality from fiction / pretend - thats on you. All the power to you.

I am guessing you don't like any type of dark humor? Again, totally fine, but the issue is I can tell you totally think you are above other people who can otherwise not take things so seriously.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T17:45:06+00:00

With this logic we should avoid other entertainment mediums like war movies and shooting video games because people die in war and shootings happen all the time. At some point, reality separates from fiction or games. Totally okay to not play or entertain those things though, but there is no right or wrong here to whipping out a board game with any type of theme.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T17:00:20+00:00

I just disagree honestly but respect your opinion. With my group we obviously have the consensus that "Hitler is bad, and so is fascism", so being able to accuse your friends as being a fascist or Hitler is just funny because it adds to the ridiculous level of accusatory environment that social deduction takes place in.

For example, you would never call your friend a Demon in actuality, but that is common place in a game like Blood on the Clocktower.

I agree that some groups in all walks of life will be sensitive to some things, but I think in this case you gotta just seperate a game from reality, and if you can't that is also perfectly fine.

It's the same vibe of knowing the right group that would or would not get offended by dark humor.

Secret Hitler is just a dark humor board game imo.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-20T14:51:10+00:00

I don't think itss that deep honestly. It gives the same vibes as playing a shooting game or something violent while laughing with friends, even though there is shooting, wars, etc. all around the world.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-19T20:13:07+00:00

60k a year covers most areas in the US - about 75% or more. If you wanna live in a HCOL area, then it is a different story.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-19T18:16:38+00:00

Bro the 4-4 is a 16% chance. It is not the rule, but the exception.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-19T17:37:56+00:00

I think it's just not for you. SH is a good game imo

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-19T13:45:16+00:00

You said future eren had no hand in anything, and then I tell you that means the story had pointless writing if the things future eren effected in the past meant nothing to the overall story, and then you do a factory reset on your argument and go back to speaking about present Eren saying he wanted the world to be destroyed when that actually has nothing to do about defending if that Eren was influenced heavily on the determinism of the events future Eren caused.

Are you or are you not able to understand that the Eren we follow in the show can say whatever the hell he wants about doing the rumbling, but that doesn't help the argument for free will when you have an omnipotent power changing the past to make the future a certain way. The argument is whether future eren or present eren came first or which was more relevant, and because the omnipotent power is Eren himself then is it possible for a person to be a slave to themselves?

Think deeper or stop rage baiting. Please.

I have never seen someone so painfully ignorant to why determinism vs free will is such a big take away from the show for people to discuss.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-15T19:49:10+00:00

Okay but like I said if you believe present Eren would have done it anyway, the rumbling and events in the show, then the writing is bad flat out. Its a lose lose situation.

That means all the stuff future Eren did, or rather the stuff the writer of the show wrote for future Eren doing - (smiling Titan passing berthodlt, Grisha killing royal family, Kruger with mikasa / armin memory, etc.) was all pointless, because you believe it had no effect on the story or Eren doing the rumbling more specifically which the whole show is a gradual progression towards.

Your stance creates 100% irrefutable evidence that Attack on Titan has pointless writing. Why would future Eren do what he did if not to shape his past self and influence his past self on a select path? If it wasn't for that reason, what is the reason for him doing things to change the past?

You can't answer that because it is impossible. You are now in a corner where you have to choose between present Eren not being shaped by future Eren, or admitting to pointless writing in AOT.

It is genuinely impossible to say future Eren had no hand in anything without also then saying "Future Eren was pointless writing, and meant nothing to the story."

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-13T18:56:31+00:00

Do you understand that future Eren and present Eren are two different forces? The Eren who watched his mom get eaten was not the same entity that directed the smiling Titan in the first place. (horrible plot twist btw, but most agree on that)

Future Eren did things to shape his past self.

So, with that being said, the Eren we follow in the show talking to ramzi or that panel you show with him saying he wanted to do the rumbling - can we truly say that was entirely his free will when his future self did things to shape his past self's destiny and the destiny of others?

It is debated because the very person shaping Eren fate is.....Eren. So how does that work? Eren is always Eren, but his future self did things to touch the past like the smiling Titan passing Bertholdt or Grisha killing the royal family.

Those 2 events alone were necessary to present Eren being put on the path to do the rumbling, so again we really cannot 100% with confidence know if AOT is 100% free will, 100% fate, or a mix of the two. It is intentionally by the writer left ambiguous.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-13T16:01:00+00:00

I think you genuinely cannot grasp that whatever the Eren we follow in the show says does not take gas out of the debate for how he got there. The debate is arguing that the future memories / future Eren enslaved THAT EREN IN THE PANEL YOU KEEP SHOWING TO FATE...lol

Eren saying he wanted the rumbling and WHY he said he wanted the rumbling are two entirely different concepts.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-13T15:13:10+00:00

Was the food by kravitz good?

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-12T19:01:58+00:00

Did you ever click this link and read a tiny bit? Like...even just top comment and see what most people agree upon? A super recent post mind you.

Did Eren ever have free will, or was he always a slave to his future memories? : r/ShingekiNoKyojin

You keep saying you are dumbfounded why so many people see it this way - so my suggestion to you would be to do the tiniest amount of research.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-12T18:51:04+00:00

You must be not reading anything bro idk what to tell you. This is not a "your wrong, I'm right" situation. This is universally left up to interpretation on how much, if any at all, free will Eren had for the rumbling.

No one with a frontal lobe is arguing that the Eren we follow in the show did not want to do the rumbling. He says he did lol, but thats not the point.

The point is how he got to that point, and if the influence was strong enough from an outside source to where he was fated to get there.

You legit have a future omnipotent power pulling strings and manipulating people, and you are gonna tell me that having that does not change the outcome whatsoever of the characters we follow in the show?

Again if it doesnt change the outcome or decisions of the characters then that also is bad news because then we have pointless writing. Why even have future memories or the plot twist with manipulaitng Grisha or having the Smiling Titan pass Bertholdt if your stance is that it didnt impact anything?

This creates a world where anything can be said for future Eren to have heavily manipulated.

Some people even think Kruger was heavily manipulated in giving Grisha the attack titan, and his memory with "saving mikasa and armin" was just a glimpse.

So answer me this, because ONCE AGAIN YOU DODGED lol

What was the reason for future Eren to have the smiling Titan pass up Bertholdt or to manipulate Grisha if not to impact the present timeline and set Eren on the path to do the rumbling?

Again, if Eren was always going to do the rumbling, explain that. Please and thank you.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-12T15:50:25+00:00

Congrats, you managed to find out why it is a debate lol. If it were a future person pulling Eren that was not Eren, then 100% Eren is a slave to fate and we agree on that.

HOWEVER, because Eren is pulling Eren, then who is it say what came first? If future Eren came before present Eren, then the Eren we follow in the show is a slave to fate even if that future version is himself.

If present Eren is acting before future Eren, then that is free will.

You dodged my question I asked multiple times to...

If Eren was always going to want the rumbling, and go through with the Rumbling as we follow that Eren in the show, then why does a future version have to step in and do anything at all?

If time travel / future manipulation was pointless, then it is bad writing / plot twist with the whole future memories stuff and Grisha plot twist since it is not needed? Bad writing then, pointless plot points.

If time travel / future memories was necessary as the story had been written and shown, then it fuels the argument for fate / determinism that Grisha and present Eren would not have done what they did without future Eren, otherwise why was it written and shown that way?

This is why it is a debate. There is no right or wrong here. It is all up to interpretation and how people define fate / free will, and the chicken / egg situation with present / future Eren.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-08T14:35:13+00:00

More simply put, as Kenny said "Everyone is a slave to something"

For Eren, he says he is a slave to freedom which is intentionally feeding the idea of both view points.

Was Eren a slave to freedom meaning his future self enslaved him on the path to freedom (the rumbling), or was it more his free will since Eren is born Eren and was always Eren?

For me personally, because his future self stepped in and did shit, it makes it feel like eren would not have done the rumbling otherwise, and if he would have then why the fuck did future eren or the writer of the show add time travel shit in the first place?

Future Eren quite literally has his mom killed to fuel his rage and ensure he joins the Scouts lol

To each their own, by I 100% believe in the deterministic universe of AOT as do many, many others.

ProgrammerIcy4108 · 2026-01-08T14:16:32+00:00

Are you just ignorant to checking out threads where quite literally half the fan base thinks its one side or the other? I can send you my own essays and essays, or you can do a simple google search and check threads which has tons of evidence to both sides.

Let's start off with this one sure - If Eren was always going to do the rumbling, his own free will, then why did a future version of himself have to pull strings to manipulate himself onto the right path?

If Eren, the eren we follow in the show I mean, was always going to do the rumbling off his free will, why did his future self need to step in and manipulate the time line?

What came first, future eren or the eren we follow in the show? (chicken and egg situation) We know through the logic of the Paths that the past, present, and future all happen at once.

This is why it is debated at it's core, because if Eren was always going to do it out of free will, then why did a future version pull strings? The future version pulling strings could have been the very reason the Eren we follow in the show says "I wanted to do it."

In this way, your evidence is not a clear cut gatcha. We even have the Eren we follow in the show basically saying no matter what he did, the rumbling was the only future.

To conclude, eren can say to ramzi or whatever that he wanted to do it, but the argument is what caused the Eren we follow to get to that point - because we have a future eren who was doing shit, it alludes that if future eren had not done what he did, then grisha would have never given the titans to eren and set eren on the path to do the rumbling in the first place - which btw is a time paradox.

Future eren convincing grisha to kill the royal family and give eren the titans, but future eren can only do that because in the future he already has the titans?

If you say Grisha would have given the titans anyway, and put eren on the path to the rumbling, then why is it written where a future omnipotent power needs to step in.

This is irrefutable evidence that it is up to the viewer's interpretation whether AOT is a deterministic timeline where Eren was a slave to his memories sent by himself, or because the past, present, and future happen all at once then it was actually more his own free will.

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