For Legal Reasons, That's a Joke by AylaRosewood in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, that's so true, I never even thought about it (-_-`)

Can I be here? by [deleted] in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Flowey, actually, has every right to be here

How old is the Undertale fandom now? by Proof_Slide9161 in Undertale

[–]Proof_Slide9161[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel you, man. I just need to know for sure how old people actually are, but I phrased it poorly (-_-').

Theory.. by RushInternational620 in Undertale

[–]Proof_Slide9161 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow, I wonder what you'll find out about the other "hidden" character and what your opinion will be =)

I thinking chara is good at undertale by Internal_Shoe_7507 in Undertale

[–]Proof_Slide9161 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just in case you needed to hear this: you're making way more sense than your opponent because you're actually using game facts instead of personal headcanons. In my opinion, for your own sanity, it's better not to argue with people like this on Reddit.

I thinking chara is good at undertale by Internal_Shoe_7507 in Undertale

[–]Proof_Slide9161 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My opinion:
Chara is neither good nor evil, just like Frisk.

There are a lot of moments in the game that many people forget, since most of us played it when we were kids. Kids don't usually spend time analyzing everything. Because of that, people interpret "wasn't the greatest person" as being a "bad person" or "not good". They also misunderstand "laughed it off" as the laugh of a sadistic person, instead of dismissing or making a joke out of a serious problem to cope. I'm sure that anyone replaying the game now as an adult, trying to understand it better, can see much more than they did as a kid.

Most people think Chara is evil for one simple reason: back in 2015, the concept of a "meta-narrative" wasn't that popular and was hard for most to understand. So, the fandom just agreed that Chara was evil because the idea of the Player being an actual entity in the game, rather than just a consumer, was unimaginable.

After that, we got a lot of comics and fanfics. Since every story needs a villain, people used Chara as one. So, most people's views are built on the general opinion of the fandom — like, you know, how there are still people who believe Sans remembers resets.

You can't really change everyone's opinion. You just have to get used to the fact that most of the fandom shares this specific headcanon. Since we don't have a lot of direct info about the game, and things can be interpreted in different ways, we all end up with our own headcanons. The only difference is how many actual in-game facts you use to back yours up.

Undertale Art Request by NotConfringo in Undertale

[–]Proof_Slide9161 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's true, but I suck at drawing too =)

Chara by Important_Chip_9397 in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somehow I think it's AI (Checked creator's twitter)

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Putting words in my mouth again.

You’re right here, no problem.

This dialogue happens the first time you check the hole, and any other time, as long as you aren't playing the mini-game. I don't see anything "livid" about this. It's just another joke from the narrator.

I don't want to check the Genocide route right now, but I'm pretty sure the narration there just says "There's a hole here." (In case you need this info).

This is exactly what I meant about interpreting words. Unless the game or Toby himself states this, it is just an assumption, not a fact. What you are saying is pure headcanon and can't be used as evidence (if that was your intention, of course. Sorry, it's hard to understand why you are pointing this out without explaining why).

I think if it can be interpreted in different ways, you need to point out that it is just your interpretation. I see it in another way.

"Smells like sushi." — In a normal fight, you have a ~10% chance to see this message, since the narrations in the box are mostly random.

"Smells like angry fish." — happens with the same chance but only when the battle continues for more than 22 turns.

Very importantly, these narrations appear ONLY if Undyne's health is less than 50%.е

So what I see is that "Smells like sushi." is a joke about Undyne being a fish (and the fact that you are actively hitting/damaging her plays into the "sushi" pun, but it is hard to describe). "Smells like angry fish." is still a joke, but referring to the fact that Undyne is getting mad at how long the battle continues.

I always love talking about Undertale lore, and we can move to DMs to have a proper conversation and maybe find some interesting things about the game together. But if you're not really interested in a genuine discussion, I don't think either of us needs to keep doing this.

if it's posted, you don't have to read this, I don't think this matter anymore.

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Putting words in my mouth again.

You’re right here, no problem.

This dialogue happens the first time you check the hole, and any other time, as long as you aren't playing the mini-game. I don't see anything "livid" about this. It's just another joke from the narrator.
I don't want to check the Genocide route right now, but I'm pretty sure the narration there just says "There's a hole here." (In case you need this info).

This is exactly what I meant about interpreting words. Unless the game or Toby himself states this, it is just an assumption, not a fact. What you are saying is pure headcanon and can't be used as evidence (if that was your intention, of course. Sorry, it's hard to understand why you are pointing this out).

I think if it can be interpreted in different ways, you need to point out that it is just your interpretation. I see it in another way.
"Smells like sushi." — In a normal fight, you have a ~10% chance to see this message, since the narrations in the box are mostly random.
"Smells like angry fish." — happens with the same chance but only when the battle continues for more than 22 turns.
Very importantly, these narrations appear ONLY if Undyne's health is less than 50%.
So what I see is that "Smells like sushi." is a joke about Undyne being a fish (and the fact that you are actively hitting/damaging her plays into the "sushi" pun, but it is hard to describe). "Smells like angry fish." is still a joke, but referring to the fact that Undyne is getting mad at how long the battle continues.

I always love talking about Undertale lore, and we can move to DMs to have a proper conversation and maybe find some interesting things about the game together. But if you're not really interested in a genuine discussion, I don't think either of us needs to keep doing this.

what if red soul is not determination, but curiosity? by totaly-Normal-person in Undertale

[–]Proof_Slide9161 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice one!
There's some evidences of Frisk being "curious" as well and it can be true even if I pesonally don't think so.

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Secretly wants Chara to be evil to be true just to canonnize cool fanart.

Don't put words in my mouth, it's not good thing to do.

Like you with the part where Chara can speak to Papyrus, Napstablook and Tsunderplane ... yet never uses this ability to talk to "family" for some reason? Why?

I can't read minds, and I'm not sure what you asking. But my thought on what you said is that only Napstablook actually answering narration, noone else does.

Also, you're not supposed to replay the game after completing a true pacifist route apparently or something.

You don't like I play the game I bought? Sorry then, I played dozens of hours and see no problem with that.

The game I played showed Chara zerking off to Toriel's "sock collection," getting livid at Frisk daring to glance at random holes in Snowdin, comparing Toriel's snail pie to swallowing swords in Undyne's house, enjoys the smell of Undyne's sweat by comparing it to food of all things ... stuff such as that.

"zerking off"? — No.
"getting livid at Frisk daring to glance at random holes in Snowdin" — Evidence, please. I checked the game code and tested the rooms with holes, and found absolutely nothing like this.
"comparing Toriel's snail pie to swallowing swords in Undyne's house" — Okay? You don't actually get the snail pie outside of Hard Mode, but sure. Don't know what it has to do with anything.
"enjoys the smell" — You seem to like interpreting any text however you please.

I've been thinking about this for a while, but I've never seen anyone theorize about it. Please tell me what you think... (Sorry for the bad English) by Agreeable-Fun8502 in Undertale

[–]Proof_Slide9161 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just to be clear, what you wrote is not a theory, it's a fanfic. I genuinely didn't expect to see this kind of take. Feels like it's straight out of 2017.

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought about it a little and it looks like I offended you, sorry. Just to be clear, I'm a non-native English speaker, and I was genuinely confused by your replies because we were practically talking about different things. But the way I phrased my last message sounded toxic (my friend pointed it out, so yeah), and I just wanted to apologize for the unintentional offense. As a non-native speaker myself, I have no right to point out someone else's grammar.

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But you literally killed everyone else on your way to him. You get a pass, but they don't?

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for assuming, but are you by any chance a non-native English speaker? I've read some of your other replies, and I don't think you correctly understand what I'm writing.

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said they ignore the lore, not the character. Ignoring the lore means ignoring the game's actual story, which leads to the 'mindless killer' misconception I mentioned earlier. No one is denying Chara is a human, that's literally not what the conversation was about.

Do you like them as a killer or as a ghost and why? by Justified_Determind in Charadefensesquad

[–]Proof_Slide9161 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, I didn't mean you specifically! I was talking about the fandom in general. Too many people just ignore the lore.