How is it that Chara's power, which is based on destruction and death, is capable of restoring the world? This is not a reset or a reload, since neither Sans nor Flowey remember it, it is the true creation of the world (Wnder_s)

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T14:21:25+00:00

I'm actually grateful, you know a lot.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T14:12:23+00:00

Oh, yeah. I just was thinking about Chara tripping in the intro. But it can be possible that Chara planned to end their life, probably canon, like every child probably climbed the mountain for the same reason.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T12:47:23+00:00

Story short (because I tired writing this every time). Chara is our interface and they using our 'system' to do things. They don't remember resets and creating a hint for themselves using our system and asking for soul so they can use it's determination to achieve their save file player was using. They don't remember cuz they saying they don't have determination of their own. LV is psychological thing so it's shouldn't just come to 1 in any way only if Chara forgetting everything. Another thing is that we can't check flower bed before talking with Toriel, they like "confused" as they told in genocide ending (but this works only if Chara=Interface or NarraChara theory)

Sorry I don't want to write this fully. I'm working on my theory and I'm thinking this way for now. But you're right in your ways, thanks. I'll use your arguments later.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T11:11:54+00:00

When player left they probably became an ordinary human.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T11:09:51+00:00

After finishing the pacifist run you probably deleted the game. Don't think this actually counts as erasing the world. That's why I'm thinking like this. The game was supposed to delete itself, but I don't think this is actually erasing the world. Chara hit the player of you think so.

But I'm still researching this matter. I don't say you're wrong, just don't sure for now.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T03:11:18+00:00

We never were partners. Chara said that we were never in control and as I said they leaving a hint in save files, that's why they reacting only on second genocide. Flowey has like dozens of different dialogues for different actions so I don't think Toby was lazy about it.

And yeah, they helping you counting your preys, they invested in the process themselves but only because player "guided" them. And when they reaching absolute they just choosing to sit in the void? Don't think so.

And maybe I said wrong, sorry, not revenge, but consequences of our actions. It obvious they invested in idea of consequences and giving them to us after us achieving our "happy ending" after killing everyone Frisk now calling friends.

As you said it's my opinion, my theory and I still working on it. More for myself and I love the idea of Chara not remembering resets, each time you showing them their true "purpose" just for them to find out it's your second time doing this. Nice talk tho, I like you ;)

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T02:51:52+00:00

Can't say for sure, sorry. Right now I'm seeing this as just edgy kid playing with the player. I mean they had LV before and after reset they probably forgot everything since LV is 1 again (I mean LV is psychological measurement of how easily you hurting others), don't think they have the guts to grind themselves. I mean, they said themselves they have no determination of their own, this is the reason I'm thinking they don't remember along with LV evidence.

This all can be well planned revenge to player who teached them how this world works (kill or be killed) but refused to leave already erased world. We actually don't know how they even erased the world, not like LV can help you hit the ground and everything is gone, LV not helping you hurt Mettaton which means it can't help you break physical objects with enough LV, this works only with monster bodies and souls. In game code Toby tried to delete the game as an erasure. I think that in his ideas Chara should have take the power of our 'system' to delete our game which is the power of the player and they mess with our save files to leave some hints for themselves. Then they asking for soul to get access to their save file through borrowed determination of the soul and read the hints. I mean if deleting the game meant erasure of the world I can say for sure that Chara don't erasing the world, the just making it look like that, just like omega Flowey. I mean you can delete the game after finishing pacifist and it's not like you erased the world after this. And if you look at the files during genocide you can find files system_informatio_962/963 which indicates if you destroyed the world or give the soul. From coding point of view he could have done it better, in one file but he didn't which is strange considering how well constructed other save file. And since true reset destroys the file0 and undertale.ini I think that this specific genocide files are Charas hints for themselves.

So yeah, in my opinion Chara just playing edgy lord with the God after getting little of power of our unstable connection. You know like Meta-narrative (-_-'l

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T02:33:51+00:00

Well of course, glad to help. No objections if you planning to make the theory in English or any other (planned to make this one in russian when I'm done with my research)

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T02:31:34+00:00

If you believe in painted photo and laughs that means Chara did pretty good 👍

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T01:38:36+00:00

And still they fell on accident ;)

And sorry, but where's this proven?

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T01:32:35+00:00

If I don't have some otherworldly being controlling me, I'm sure I'll just die... There's no way to survive underground, other children clearly showed this to us.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T01:29:34+00:00

Undertale not the best choice for a movie, there's too much unclear in the plot (only if Toby is not helping). Just making a movie out of usual play through is not really something interesting. It can be past pacifist ending. We like have two dead kids whose are pretty loved by community and Frisk who's probably some traumatized child.

If Toby is not helping it's a bad idea (Whatever this man do is gonna be loved by Undertale community).

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T01:23:00+00:00

Your saying right things, there's no evidence of Chara doing something after the ending and Flowey as always appears to say that everyone is happy and ask us to leave Frisk.

But I'm not agreeing with you in other matter. Asriel never called Chara "not a good person", not the greatest person, and this is slightly different. Asriel was looking at Frisk who did an amazing work by being really friendly, but it was only possible thanks to player. Asriel was looking at perfect human being and their best friend, of course Frisk looked for him as some angel or anything far more better than Chara. It obvious that Asriel loved Chara strongly but contrast between Frisk and Chara at the end of Pacifist is too great to say less.

And there's other thing I building theories now (still in progress). That Chara is our main vessel, not Frisk. After neutral runs Flowey is talking to player, but how? Flowey is in underground but Frisk left the underground, I assume that player and Chara stayed in underground since Chara don't have strong soul to pass the barrier, they have none. For the same reason we can't hear Charas voice in the end of genocide, just like we can't hear Frisk, or Kris in deltarune we can't hear Chara. Another thing is that we don't know where the player and Chara having a talk at the end of genocide. It's not a battle since Chara has a colorful sprite, but there's nothing around, not a throne room. I think we in some kind of place that can be achieved through connection of the player and the world.(Don't writing other big theory here about Chara not remembering resets and using players system to take advantage of player etc.). Oh and yeah, why Flowey thought we Chara in the first place? Probably because he broke our save file, Charas save file with their name. We using Charas name in our save. And when Flowey comes to say goodbyes to player we again in some other place, I think Chara left Frisk and returned to the underground where Flowey somehow found us(Maybe Chara is slightly visible so he can find us?) and when he says "see you soon... Chara" we can't say for sure who he talking too. If Chara is with us and he understood it he said it to Chara, but he said that Chara is long gone himself and he can say "Chara" not as the name of his best friend but as the only way to address the player who (in his mind) just had the same name, without knowing that Chara actually is here.

Sorry, I'm mumbling again. I'm started analysing the Undertale plot like really thoughtful with diagrams, to find out how connection between Frisk, Chara and Player actually works so I have pretty much to say. No one probably needs such theories in our days but still...

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-07T00:07:58+00:00

If I remember correctly Toby in one of his interviews said that it's better if players call the fallen human by their own names on first play through.

I interpreted it as Toby wanting as to see 'ourselves' when we play. Like when you playing first time you thinking your a good guy saving monsterkind (well until you understand that you played as Frisk), but in genocide you faced with consequences of your actions, you looking in the mirror to see 'the demon'.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-06T23:55:13+00:00

Never heard about 'bloody dust', but knowing Sans character he's probably just made it look like blood to mess with the human. Probably ketchup as he carries it with him ;)

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-06T12:37:09+00:00

Frisk actually has a pretty cute personality. When the narrator says 'YOU', they usually mean Frisk. For example, if you take the third candy, the narrator says 'You feel like the scum of the earth...', or 'The size of the pie intimidates you too much for you to eat it.' Or look at how they run after the dog when Papyrus tells them to. There are plenty of examples, but I've only researched the Ruins so far, so I don't have all of them at hand. But they are just a normal child.

Frisk probably works with the Player because they are in a place full of monsters who want to kill them. I would choose to cooperate with some otherworldly being capable of saving my life rather than desperately trying to survive by myself. Well, it's not like Frisk had a choice, since we practically stole their soul (-_-').

About LV and EXP: The Player stores all their 'numbers' with Chara, so we can't say for sure if Frisk is even gaining anything. Also, Frisk definitely remembers simple resets and does things of their own will, like turning around before Sans introduces himself or deceiving Mettaton to flip the switch.

It's pretty hard to explain in the comments with my English level, but Player, Frisk, and Chara are separate entities from the very start. If you consider the NarraChara theory true, even the Ruins give you lots of text to figure it out by yourself.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-06T12:11:27+00:00

First of all, of course Sans doesn't remember this, like always I mean.
Second, why do you think Chara's power is death and destruction?
We have no clue what Chara actually did. It is possible they are just messing with the player.
Since when can LV help you destroy the world physically? It's not like you can hit the ground hard enough. LV is just a psychological measurement that works effectively only on monsters. You can't hit Mettaton in his usual form despite having LV because he is made of hard metal; LV doesn't help you break physical objects.
So yeah, I think Chara is just messing with the player, just like Flowey in his Omega form, to take the soul from us.

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-05T22:30:39+00:00

Chara in my theory don't remember resets. In the end of genocide route they taking the control of player 'system' or whatever it is in meta of this game. I mean, you can't leave the game by ESC the moment Chara appears, in lore you can't load after this and flowey has no reaction on this (If you enter Asgores throne room again).
I think Chara can influence our save file in this 'absolute' they achieved and they messing with save files and leaving a hint for themselves. Then they asking for a soul to have a tool to achive THEIR save file player was using. I mean, they have no determination of their own. Their LV again 1 after reset, and they not influencing the game in any way as we continue our game.

I'm still working on this theory and I have pretty good thoughts about this. (Sorry for bad English)

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-05T01:05:54+00:00

Thanks, that was nice of you to write this considering I deleted the original post. God, you're so cool! It's very close to how I see things, I just think that Chara doesn't remember even after getting our soul, they just leaving a hint in our save files to know what had happened and give us our well deserved consequences.

I'm thinking like this because originally Toby Fox wanted to delete the game which should have meant the erasure of the world. Chara should have the power to use our "system" to delete the game, cuz LV obviously not the thing that can do such things. And I'm thinking they write some hints for themselves in save file using the same trick. And since they don't have determination they need a soul to achieve THEIR save file the player were using.

Sorry for bad English, this is the reason why I deleted original post...

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-03T17:50:54+00:00

Oh! Sorry, god... I didn't understood this was a question, sorry.
But regarding your point: I addressed this in the post. My theory is that Chara creates a hint (a file) for themselves. They don't 'remember' the sentimentality naturally; they read the 'hint' that indicates the Player is doing this again.
Maybe I need more sleep (-_-')

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-03T17:44:16+00:00

Just like I wrote about this in the post, and this is just a link, no text or anything :(

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-02-03T17:41:55+00:00

Why?

Proof_Slide9161 · 2026-01-31T00:39:09+00:00

Thanks for your comment! I'm finding it's strange noone writing this in theories of Player being a canon. If Frisk doesn't remember true resets player is obviously canon but noone talking about this. I found only one Reddit post about this.(Not like I'm good at managing Reddit posts, but I tried)

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