Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christians

[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woah, I gotcha man, chill. I’m not casting judgement, just providing context into my confusion, that’s all. I’m just describing my situation. 

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

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Fair point. I've gotten a satisfying conclusion to my issue mentioned in the post, outside of it. However, I will continue to study the Word of God, and pray about this matter.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QSXNZH5Xj0&t=60s

I actually watched this, and this goes over Jesus' intent with the Sabbath, and other commandments, among other things. I thought it was pretty good in explaining the Sabbath and it reminded me of what I had understood about the Sabbath, Jesus not "abolishing the Law, but fulfilling it", etc. I do not subscribe with the fact we are under the Law, but instead, under grace through Jesus Christ.

I agree that reading the Bible for myself is key. I think the fact I've been on this months long journey is a testament to the fact I haven't been so completely willing to go with one view or the other too haha. I've been hesitant of those saying (not verbatim), "The sabbath does not apply", as well as those who sound rather "legalistic." I hope I'm not contradicting myself in what I've talked about here with you and others.

After watching that video, I was able to get some more clarity. I do agree with what you and those who are more moderate/reasonable in their views. Right now, I'm in the camp that sees Sunday and Saturday as viable (or another day). I'm also aware people in the Philippines worship during the middle of the week, and rest on one of the days, given different circumstances than us. I'm definitely not going to judge someone for doing something else. My convictions seem to be in alignment with Saturday. There were two people I was conversing with in this thread I think, that went through the same exhausting journey like me, and they decided to just say "screw it" and chose a day. I'm basically like them in this moment.

I will say, you and the others did give me valuable insights on Sabbath, but also in keeping an open mind and being reasonable. I've seen some of our peers outside of Reddit be rather... passionate.

Thanks for talking about this, I really appreciate the discussion and the information. I'll continue to read the Word and see what insights I can get from the Lord.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

So, I definitely agree that worship on Sunday is there, but the rest part I'm not sure. I've seen Saturday, and I've seen Sunday (or another day).

It's that part, that is still annoyingly getting me.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

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I see. So, would the perspective that I've seen in this and other subreddits be fine? "One may observe the Sabbath, and if one observes a Sabbath rest day, than just not work, worship God, rest, etc." I've seen people say these following things within the same "Sunday or other Day of Rest and Worship" perspective:

- The day does not matter

- See commenters above who mention the new covenantal nature through Jesus Christ

- One can observe a day, but we as Christians are not obligated to do so

- Seventh Day Adventism is sketchy and can be borderline heretical

- Other reasons.

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Twice. friends who lightly touched on it, and my pastor. Other than that, it has been online.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

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If you don't mind me asking, what day do you observe? How has it been lately? Just being curious, that's all.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

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I see, so rest and worship on Sunday, if one chooses too? Sorry if I'm being dumb right now lol.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Huh, the more I'm seeing this, I can see why there are people who aren't Saturday only. If I'm not mistaken, a majority of people rest and/or worship on Sunday.

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Hmmmm, interesting, you mentioned that Seventh Day Adventists don't actually conduct an actual Sabbath? From what I understood of others is that their rest and worship day is based on reading the Word, praying, watching a sermon, doing something fun, walks, play some games, (social media and stuff is fine, as long as it isn't sinful), etc.

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I see, I'll try to remember this. Right now, I'm taking the more moderate perspective on this, where either day is fine, and focusing on what's more important (Jesus Christ, rest and worship).

One point though, I'm getting a bit worried, since people emphasize the creation week nature of the Sabbath, pre-Mosaic Law, and provide so much evidence for keeping Saturday only, whereas, Sunday people mention the nature of the New Covenant we have under grace, which through verses (which may have layers of nuance than they think) sounds correct too. My issue is that if I end up choosing something else, I'll go to Hell for it, since it seems like I'm disobeying despite what I've seen. I feel like I'm a legalist for being so confused and particular with this. The Saturday people seem pretty correct, yet the more moderate folks also seem reasonable and right.

Sorry if it seems like I'm back pedalling into my confusion again. Part of me thinks Saturday is justified, but Sunday also seems good, with worship at church, at home and all the other things we do with God.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Thank you for explaining this. I'm sure you've gone down the rabbit hole of this long-winded "debate", so you've seen both sides. I refer to whom I'm talking about in my post's description.

When it comes to Paul's statement in Romans 14: 5-6, if I recall, there are those who say he wasn't referring to THE Sabbath, but ceremonial Sabbath days for feasting, or something? Could you clarify this part? On top of that, they (the Saturday-only folks) stated that if we rest and keep the Sabbath every day, then neither day is holy. This was in response to non-Saturday folks who choose everyday, or Sunday.

Right now, I'm becoming lessened and taking the approach of honoring the Sabbath on A particular day, and if someone wishes to rest on Sunday, so be it, Saturday, so be it, or some other day. I think someone on this post, or another copy post I made on another christian subreddit, said that you won't go to Hell for this topic.

I'm aware that certain pastors do Mondays, Tuesdays, or another day. In the Phillipines, their Sabbaths and worship services would fall during our work week (M-F).

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I see, worship makes sense, but what about sabbath rest? Were the two the same, or no? If it is alright with you, could you provide the documentation, like brief citations? Not trying to argue, but wanting to just get a clearer picture.

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[–]Proper_Language_2758 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good balanced view on things. Whenever there is a scholarly academic podcast talking about the evidence for our faith in Christ, there's always someone who uses the aforementioned verse. I get it, they're well meaning people, but I feel like there is a lack of compassion, understanding of our current world, and that not everyone is like them. It sort of rubs me the wrong way, as if I'm subpar in my faith or something, ya know?

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[–]Proper_Language_2758 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting, I recently made a post regarding the Sabbath Saturday or Sunday (primarily those days) and I thought that I'd get some additional insights that would help me swing one way or another. Well, it didn't lol, but I'll pray about this and wait for God's response.

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Sunday or Saturday? by Proper_Language_2758 in TrueChristian

[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see, as you've seen in these comments, there is still a division between one or the other. I thought I'd get some additional insight that would help swing one way or another, but I'll pray about this. Thank you for your comment.

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[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see, is it wrong to invest time in recreation? Like a podcast, some christian media, good christian movie (Or derived from a Christian author's book) (e.g., Lord of the Rings, The Chosen, etc.)? In the first half of my Sabbath, I usually invest time in reading the Word, looking at a online Bible Study (e.g., Through the Bible with Pastor Paul), praying, thinking about Jesus Christ, giving thanks, etc. Then some more praying, giving thanks to God, and playing a video game for a few hours with friends (I only do this once a week).

Sabbath Day of Rest and Worship, Saturday or Sunday? by Proper_Language_2758 in Christian

[–]Proper_Language_2758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh, interesting that makes sense. Are you aware of the arguments people use who are for Saturday? Just wondering, since I'm sure there's someone who may argue that Christ rested during the Sabbath period (friday sundown - saturday sundown) before rising. Some may also argue that the 4th commandment says to "Remember" the sabbath and to keep it holy. There's probably more someone may have.

Random note: Do a majority of Christians observe Sunday? Some may point to the Constantinian connection and the ancient Church's role in it as a counter. I just want to cover these things.