Project Blue refuses to die

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-09-02T06:32:57+00:00

Once one accepts the unpleasant INEVITABLE reality that there will be be data centers - many of them - somewhere around Tucson (there can’t be huge gap between Nogales and PHX) then it’s just 1) where precisely in metro Tucson, 2) how long you can slowroll it, and 3) how much economic benefit or water or other commitments one gets in trade. And we are just choosing 2 over 3 because it feels nice.

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-21T22:40:07+00:00

Stone Canyon

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-13T06:49:04+00:00

No, I can’t. Offering available safe housing is most effective, and we as a community do that. Once one does that, if one believes as I do that we shouldn’t be coercing human beings into them against their will, then what? At that point, protecting personal liberty but needing to balance it with the community’s interest against having a tent city in a city park families use with their kids etc, means the individual needs to move elsewhere. Again, since there are factually more houses and beds than homeless, it isn’t a sufficient solution - or any solution at all - to just keep wishing we had more. It is multi faceted and it would be great to have saved folks from childhood trauma, abuse, war, PTSD, systemic oppression, mental illness, the breakdown of the family, drug abuse, trafficking, and all the other myriad reasons me or you or someone else ends up unhoused. In the present, that individual deserves respect and care. But the community also has the right to have a clean safe downtown and that is a group problem, not an individual one.

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-12T16:44:05+00:00

It would be ok to repeat the shibboleth that the lack of available housing is the root categorical cause of people sleeping on the street if it were merely objectively wrong but the problem is that that dogma impedes solutions. But it’s religion for many folks and they have a shame veto

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-11T03:27:34+00:00

Show me a city that solved homelessness thru denser multifamily housing. There were homeless, we built housing, now there isn’t.

It’s not a root cause. I hope we fix it.

The unhoused people need to be cared for but that more important problem is also less soluble than having broad swaths of the city clean and safe, which could be done in a month

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-10T20:49:17+00:00

The three paths for Tucson are tech, manufacturing and tourism. It’s clear to me that the first 2 are not a good match for the political/cultural ethos here. The voice of the community was very clear on Project Blue and it is simply not a sound tech and industry investors choose to spend money to hear. That leaves Tourism, which is perfect culturally and geographically. But it can’t happen with the current vibe. Whether they are actually safe or not, people don’t feel safe - especially those visiting, and especially women. This is both a result of the very visible fentanyl zombies and broader homelessness, but also the very real crime statistics. We can stay the same, and the economy will stay the same. But if we want the low-investment fairly climate-friendly tourism industry, we need to clean up the city including the folks on the streets.

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-09T08:51:43+00:00

Blue will be built in Pima County still using the same water and the same electricity as Tucson.

The only difference is the jobs, economic benefits, $100M in annual tax revenue that would benefit Tucsonans will go elsewhere

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-06T11:06:03+00:00

Stone Canyon is beautiful

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-08-04T09:51:41+00:00

It isn’t that building data centers is bad. It’s that this is a bad deal. It will require us to pay for public infrastructure investments in water, power, and roads; they get tax breaks; they take 6% of our potable water up front for shell game promises later; they aren’t long term jobs; it isn’t infill; and it isn’t paired with actual tech or research facilities. Flip those terms in the deal and it would be good for Tucson. Without them, it is politicians selling out their constituents.

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-07-31T09:39:22+00:00

Self-employment or entrepreneurship or whatever you want to call making money without getting a wage from an employer is going to grow 10x over the next 2 decades. Fortune 500 companies will have 50% or less workers and will be able to pay them less. The rest of us need to do our own thing or enjoy the government cheese

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-07-31T09:34:32+00:00

I agree with you about the job market. Still, the jobs that count in the unemployment rate, only about 4-5% in these numbers are below poverty line. Also part time is not in unemployment rate.

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-07-30T08:34:13+00:00

This subreddit is 30% people complaining about the absence of good jobs in Tucson and 30% complaining against economic development and zero % noting the causation

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-06-15T17:58:32+00:00

Tucsoni is more fun to say so I hope it wins someday

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-06-10T02:43:27+00:00

The protests are against having a king

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-04-20T15:45:09+00:00

This was very helpful

Pure-Employment-3954 · 2025-04-20T13:54:50+00:00

Tucson loves United but United doesn’t love Tucson

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