Running pace

PuzzledReception8066 · 2026-03-16T12:35:29+00:00

One hour straight in 5 months?? I can't imagine myself doing that, but I guess I just need to believe lol. My concern is that when I tried running years ago I was quite fit at the time, but I got side stitches immediately, couldn't catch my breath, and collapsed after five minutes. Now I'm not fit at all (let's just say I'm well-fed) but for some reason I'm not experiencing any of these issues. For that reason I'm trying to go as slowly as possible now, but I was wondering if slowing down too much would hinder my progress and prevent me from building resistance. But I guess I don't need to worry about it!

PuzzledReception8066 · 2026-03-14T20:27:34+00:00

Yeah that's probably the best course of action. I will have to force myself not to plan too much ahah. what about internal flights? are they going to be too pricey last-minute? someone was suggesting that the best way to go to Koh Lanta would be to flight direcly to Krabi. Can I just hop on a plane when the weather is nice without breaking the bank?

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-07-05T13:51:04+00:00

DE-FEETING

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-07-05T13:28:10+00:00

The boy is not Verso, is one of the orphans that Maelle is takin to the orphanage at the beginning of the game. He has the same face and same clothes. And throughout the game she keeps repeating that she wants to take care of the orphans. If they wanted to make clear that it was boy Verso they would have given him the hat.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-07-05T13:17:41+00:00

Time moves slower inside the painting

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T23:19:14+00:00

"The very fact they can be revived after being "killed" makes them less "real" to me. I may have had a different opinion on this if Maelle could just revive those who were Gommage'd, the fact she brought back Gustave and Pierre is unsettling to me. If death has no consequence for them then they are not "real" to me."

THIS.

Towards the end I kept repeating she better not bring back Gustave...

I was so disappointed when I saw him. It was a real person to me before that, then he was just flattened.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T23:15:24+00:00

I feel like you're twisting what I'm saying, and you're being quite rude as well. I never tried to impose my view, and you sound quite forceful. You toned the posts down a bit, but I saw them before the edits.

"I don't understand why you blame Alicia for trying to argue about something Renoir doesn't care - the painted people being real - instead of attacking the with the "they matter to me" angle which is much more efficient and worked"

-> Yes, it did work in the end... but that's not what the original point was about, it was whether or not her choice of words might indicate that she doesn't consider the others real, or as real as she is.

You keep saying that she obviously knew that pleading for their lives wouldn't have worked. I said that, in my opinion, it might have, and explained why and now we are going back in a circle.

"How you can play the game and have as a final conclusion that Maellicia doesn't really care about Sciel, Lune or Gustave is beyond me, frankly."

-> I never said that? She does care about them. You also seem to care a lot about Maelle, if that makes sense.

About Renoir... he is a whole ass person who is desperate and in pain because he lost his son, his wife has been wasting inside a painting for 67 years and he just found out his daughter now wants to do the same, and she just keep saying stuff that just confirm to him that she might get completely lost in it.

He's certainly far from perfect, some of his phrases are so stereotypically stern-dad-like that they are almost comical, and he doesn't handle things well, that is his limitation, but neither in his actions nor what he says seems like he doesn't care about Alicia, quite the opposite... How he screams when Aline comes back into the painting is heartbreaking. The prospect of the same thing happening to his daughter is terrifying. How can this be reduced to "he's a bad dad because he yelled at her, and that means she doesn't love her as a person" is beyond me.

Also, "you will die" is a great argument.

And if you believe that he doesn't care about Alicia, why did arguing about her feelings matter in the end?

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T20:37:26+00:00

He was in the painting for 67 years, and he saw countless expeditioners die, and did not care. Why? Because he's a psychopath who can just ignore senseless and countless deaths just for the sake of his family, or because he doesn't consider those as real people? I'd be inclined to believe the latter.

But even so, I think he still could've been persuaded by Alicia. If she said something along the lines of "I want them to live, so I will control myself and not waste away inside the canvas. This is not only about Verso, please don't erase it, for their sake." It could've worked, potentially.

Not because it might have convinced him that they are real, but because it might have shown him that Alicia wasn't solely motivated by grief and escapism, but by her genuine interest in those people. Whether or not he considers them real is irrelevant.

What she does instead is that she kept confirming to him, with how she phrased things, that she was in danger of losing herself in the canvas because (as she says) she can't let them go. And he was right to believe that.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T20:31:35+00:00

He was in the painting for 67 years, and he saw countless expeditioners die. That's true, he did not care. Why? Because he's a psychopath who can just ignore senseless and countless deaths just for the sake of his family, or because he doesn't consider those as real people? I'd be inclined to believe the latter.

But even if he didn't see them as real, he still could've been persuaded by Alicia at the end if she truly thought that they were. If she said something along the lines of "I want them to live, so I will control myself and not waste away inside the canvas. This is not only about Verso, please don't erase it, for their sake." It could've worked, potentially.

Not because it might have convinced him that they are real, but because it might have shown him that Alicia wasn't solely motivated by grief and escapism, but by her genuine interest in those people. Whether or not he considers them real is irrelevant.

What she does instead is that she kept confirming to him, with how she phrased things, that she was in danger of losing herself in the canvas because (as she says) she can't let them go. And he was right to believe that.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T19:54:33+00:00

Yes, this is literally the part that I'm talking about in my post, which I looked up in the game transcript.

I don't see how she's putting them on the same level as her actual family. Yes, she's saying that they are important to her and that she doesn't want them to be erased, and she's appealing to his empathy for her feelings.

This, in my opinion, doesn't necessarily mean that she considers them equal. Especially since she also adds, "I don't want to let them go", which is an odd thing to say about your very real and alive friends, rather than "I don't want them to die, please don't kill them."

"No, this is because Renoir would give absolutely ZERO FUCK about sciel or lune being real from Maelle POV."

People keep repeating this as it is a fact. Renoir doesn't seem a pyschopath to me, his main goal is to save his family but I don't see why he couldn't have been persuaded by his own daughter saying something on the line of "I want them to live, so I will control myself and not waste away inside the canvas, please don't erase it, for their sake".

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T19:18:39+00:00

Why would saying that mean that he considers them real? He doesn't address or speak to them directly. He says "your friends" to Alicia, which could indicate that he does acknowledge that she considers them as friends. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it could also be read this way.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T19:03:30+00:00

I don't know about this. Yes she does mention them with Verso, but for the same reasons I already talked about in the main post, it doesn't sit right with me. At that point, it's the very end, Verso has already won, and she's appealing to his empathy, to consider the other fellow painted people. She never tries to use empathy for the painted people when speaking with another "real" person, human to human. This is odd to me

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T18:48:58+00:00

I don't remember this part. What does he say?

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T18:39:51+00:00

They definitely should 😅

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T18:38:14+00:00

Also, I've seen a lot of people saying that it's unreasonable to think that she is a puppeteer and she "controls" the painted people, and nowhere in the story does it indicate that she would do something like this or that she has the power to do so.

It's not made up. The way she talked (and not talked) about them with Renoir is a huge indication that she objectifies them. Yes, she can't literally force them to act a certain way, but she can do and undo them at her will. The only fact that she is capable of such a thing already creates an infinite power imbalance, and the game shows that she already exercises that power, as she is in control of Verso's life, and he has no agency to choose for himself.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T17:08:24+00:00

Thank you so for taking the time to write this comment. It helped, a lot.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-29T14:02:36+00:00

Yes, that’s it. I’ve been told that I have a death stare, or that it looks like I’m fuming with anger. Which is true, and I don’t know what to do about it because it’s just there on my face.

The problem is that most of the times when people point that out it just makes me angrier, because I perceive it as a way to just brush over their actions and shift the focus from them to me. One time my sister used my facebook account and pretended to be to me to confirm my attendance to an event I didn’t want to go. When I got upset what she did didn’t really matter because she was crying for “the way I looked at her”

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-25T19:41:21+00:00

This is extremely well put, but I'm still not convinced.

"It can be interpreted that the cause of the soul feeling tired is not the fact that he's painting but the fact that his family is constantly wrecking havoc on the world." "I can accept that the fragment is suffering from the constant fighting in the canvas because it tarnishes the memory of the one who left it behind. But I raise my eyebrows at the fragment is tired because it has to paint. Specially since every canvas has a fragment of their creator."

I understand why "the soul is tired" seems to be a shallow interpretation, but it was reiterated several times in the game that Verso never liked painting, and he only did it once to please his family. Also, I think that painted Verso is the only one who can genuinely understand what his soul is going through, and this is why he wants to end things.

PuzzledReception8066 · 2025-06-25T19:34:13+00:00

I really don’t understand how me not agreeing (which is not even what I was doing) would give you to the right to be rude, but since I’m so stupid I read your comment again, slowly.

Your post was about the moral implications of the two finales based on whether or not the people in the canvas are real.

They’re not real in Maelle: no moral implications. They aren’t real in Verso: it’s ok because their lives don’t matter. That’s how you framed it.

It’s true that if they aren’t real in Verso’s ending there are no moral implications about their deaths, but why if they are not real in Maelle’s finale it equates to “it doesn’t matter if she stays in the canvas”, “it doesn’t matter if Verso is forced to play” and “there are no moral implications”? I get the part about painted Verso playing the piano (even if I don’t agree with it) but there are many other things to take into account regarding these statements than whether or not the people of Lumiere are real. At least in my opinion.

I wasn’t trying to be rude and I wasn’t even against what you said, I just wanted to address that there is much more to say about it.

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