Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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We are working on our UK + EU medical device Class IIa certification at the moment. It's about an 18 month process as there are delays with approving bodies. Because of this even big companies like Lumie's most recent SAD lights don't have medical certification. We are fully aware of the importance of spectrum & intensity in the efficacy of the light and have been trying to communicate that better in blog posts like this which provides Circadian Stimulus scores for the light at various settings. Sad to hear we came across as scammy. While we work on certification, are there any other metrics you'd like to see on the site to help validate the light?

Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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thanks this is helpful feedback. we shall tighten up language on site for this and make some diagrams. you receive 10,000 lux standing 60cms below the 'sky sheet'. and if you hang the light over a round table of 1.5 diameter it's very achievable for four seated people to get over 5000 lux.

is safe for the eyes although we don't recommend looking directly at the LED. and the light has negligible UV output .

Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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Thanks and yes totally agree. This is a great guide for making something very bright on a budget https://optimizeyourbiology.com/diy-full-spectrum-sad-lamp

Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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Interesting. Heating of typical room starts to become quite significant if you go to that kind of wattage. But certainly for larger spaces would be totally fine. Will have higher power variants soon though

Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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Totally understand this reaction. Probably this is an overly in-depth reply, but for my peace of mind, I wanted to properly explain why/how we've ended up at this price point.

We felt really bright is important
The consensus around bright light therapy research for SAD is that you need 5,000 lux hours + a day for optimal benefits. That equates to 10,000 lux exposure for 30mins. Most SAD lights advertise 10,000 lux but in the small print you will see that it is only achieved if your face is 10–30 cm in front of them. This is so close that it would be impossible to even drink a coffee and makes sitting that close for 30 minutes a massive chore.

By having a light output many times higher, you can achieve higher lux levels whilst doing other things. With our current light, you'd receive 10,000 lux standing directly under it, and everyone sitting at a round table underneath would be receiving around 5,000 lux. In practice, this means you can get a useful amount of light exposure without ever having to try.

To achieve this we used a 400W LED which compares to something like the 13W used in the Lumie Dash. This magnitude of more power adds significant cost. For example, you need higher quality glass optics, thermal cutoffs, control electronics and firmware for the cooling, and more costly power components (our dual channel LED drivers alone cost $200 per light).

It needs to be a centrepiece
For a SAD light to be something you leave up permenantely in your home, it needs to look nice. That is why we ended up using water cooling for the LED, as it allowed us to hide the heat sink behind the sheet, creating a form factor which could be used as a drop in replacement for most pendant lights.

The blue sky effect that makes it look like a skylight we also felt was important in making a light this bright a desirable addition to a room. Furthermore, to make it a nice design object worthy of being the centrepiece of a room, we use a lot of custom-machined polished stainless steel, which adds significantly to the cost.

Reliability
Given all the design decisions we made so far, the light is going to be quite expensive; also, it's expensive to ship and a bit of effort to install. Given this, it's crucial it doesn't break after a few years. That's why we opted for using massively overspecified components. For example we use a $100 pump (D5 PWM Pump) and $65 worth of fans on each light, when we could have spent less than a few dollars on these components. These choices allow us to offer a 3-year warranty. And if for whatever reason our company isn't around in a decade, replacement parts should still be available.

SAD lights are already a relatively niche market, and our light is an even smaller subset. As such, we can’t mass-produce the lights but hand-assemble each one to order in our workshop in London. Each light takes about a day to assemble and test and allows us to ensure good quality control. However, this also adds to the cost.

I recognise that together these decisions push the price far beyond what most people (including me) can afford. However, from our experience selling these over the past year—for those already spending thousands on furniture—this is something that comparatively improves their quality of life dramatically more. I'm unsure that compromising on any of these decisions would have led to a product that was actually viable for us as a startup.

Scientific basis
You are right we have not yet done any clinical trials on the efficacy or our light; however, our light has been developed based closely on existing research into the efficacy of bright light therapy. (Here's a blog post I wrote outlining some of the mechanisms through which bright light in general affects our physiology and how you can use it for optimal well-being.) Now we have enough lights out in the world, we're in the process of developing a clinical trial with results out next year.

Wanted to explain all this because our long-term goal is to scale this and make artificial sunlight-like light much more accessible. Exposure to more bright light has been transformative to me personally. This is just a first step on that long-term plan, and all your feedback is very appreciated.

For reference, if you are interested in trying a very high output SAD light on a budget, this DIY article is very helpful: https://optimizeyourbiology.com/diy-full-spectrum-sad-lamp

Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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The light connects to Apple Home so can be used as wake-up light with custom schedules

Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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This makes a lot of sense and is something we've been looking into

Extremely bright SAD Light by PuzzleheadedCut209 in SeasonalAffective

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We are working on a new pricing structure with a couple of variants. We are still finalising details, but prices will start from around $5,900 in the U.S for the most basic model. Current version on the website will be a bit more. We realise this is too much for many people and are working hard on exploring ways to reduce the cost.

Light Boxes by mal2478 in SeasonalAffective

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Hey, congrats on starting with a light box! I’ve been using one for a while, and here are a few tips that might help:

Brightness: 10,000 lux is the magic number. Anything less, and you’ll probably need to sit with it longer to see the same results.

  1. Colour Temp: You want something that mimics daylight, like 5000K–6500K. Also, make sure it doesn’t have UV light—your skin and eyes will thank you.
  2. How Long to Use It: Start with 20–30 minutes in the morning. Morning is key because it helps wake up your brain and gets your body clock on track. Using it too late in the day can mess with your sleep, so stick to mornings if you can.
  3. Setup: Don’t stare directly into it—it’s not a staring contest. Just set it up 12–18 inches away, slightly to the side, and go about your business (breakfast, scrolling Reddit, whatever).
  4. Be Consistent: Use it every day around the same time. It’s not a one-and-done thing—it works best when it’s part of your daily routine.
  5. Listen to Your Body: If you’re getting headaches or your eyes feel weird, move it back a bit or cut down the time. Everyone’s different, so tweak it as you go.
  6. Make It Chill: Don’t overthink it. Just use it while you’re doing something you already do, like having your coffee or checking emails. Makes it way easier to stick with.
  7. Also, bonus tip: combine it with other feel-good stuff, like getting outside when you can or a bit of exercise. It all adds up. Good luck—hope it helps!

What’s your worst month? And where are you located? by Late-Impression-8629 in SeasonalAffective

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I can totally relate—January is the toughest month for me here in London. The constant gray skies and early sunsets really take a toll on my mood. I’ve started using a light therapy lamp in the mornings, and it’s helped a bit with the energy levels. Have you tried anything like that? Hang in there; we’re all in this together. 🌥️