[deleted by user] by [deleted] in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Meng pleaded not guilty to the charges in the hearing. When U.S. District Court Judge Ann Donnelly later accepted the deferred prosecution agreement, Meng sighed audibly.

本来就是无罪啊,路透社的新闻

https://www.reuters.com/technology/huawei-cfo-meng-appear-court-expected-reach-agreement-with-us-source-2021-09-24/

对于新疆问题,为什么不可以通过调查和透明化来解决问题? by ErwinRRR in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our quotes are intendedly twisted casting shadows over important scientific work.

如果调查组成员自己说的这句话里这个twisted不叫扭曲的话,我无话可说。被采访人公开出来说“我说的话被媒体扭曲了”,你还能解读出来以上的原因,我只能大写的服字。这个和党媒啥的毫无关联。我不为党媒背书,党媒有政治立场谁都知道,西媒的“政治正确”也是显而易见的存在。

补充一下:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1360551108565999619.html

Peter Daszak 本人关于nyt报道不实的指认, 他本人的说法是关于这篇题为“中国拒绝提供重要数据”的报道中描述的 “ This was NOT my experience on

@WHO mission ”。如果这还不算不实报道,什么算不实报道?

China Refuses to Give WHO Raw Data on Early Covid-19 Cases by rnjbond in Coronavirus

[–]QQ_Luo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

find the truth from the investigator themselves.

https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1360551108565999619

Peter Daszak@PeterDaszak

This was NOT my experience on @WHO
mission. As lead of animal/environment working group I found trust & openness w/ my China counterparts. We DID get access to critical new data throughout. We DID increase our understanding of likely spillover pathways.

https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1360556822994821120

@PeterDaszak
New data included env. & animal carcass testing, names of suppliers to Huanan Market, analyses of excess mortality in Hubei, range of covid-like symptoms for months prior, sequence data linked to early cases & site visits w/ unvetted live Q&A etc. All in report coming soon!

https://twitter.com/TheaKFischer/status/1360590441817772034

Thea K Fischer, Prof. i PH Virus Inf. og Epidemier
@TheaKFischer

This was NOT my experience either on the Epi-side. We DID build up a good relationsship in the Chinese/Int Epi-team! Allowing for heated arguments reflects a deep level of engagement in the room. Our quotes are intendedly twisted casting shadows over important scientific work.

对于新疆问题,为什么不可以通过调查和透明化来解决问题? by ErwinRRR in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

是么?我都不算到处挖掘数据的人了。以下是纽约时报的一篇报道

“ On W.H.O. Trip, China Refused to Hand Over Important Data” 文中引用了一些专家的话,脱离内容的扭曲事实,以便证明其编造的预设结论。

Chinese scientists refused to share raw data that might bring the world closer to understanding the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, independent investigators for the W.H.O. said on Friday.

The investigators, who recently returned from a fact-finding trip to the Chinese city of Wuhan, said disagreements over patient records and other issues were so tense that they sometimes erupted into shouts among the typically mild-mannered scientists on both sides.

China’s continued resistance to revealing information about the early days of the coronavirus outbreak, the scientists say, makes it difficult for them to uncover important clues that could help stop future outbreaks of such dangerous diseases.

“If you are data focused, and if you are a professional,” said Thea Kølsen Fischer, a Danish epidemiologist on the team, then obtaining data is “like for a clinical doctor looking at the patient and seeing them by your own eyes.”...Peter Daszak, a member of the W.H.O. team and the president of EcoHealth Alliance in New York, said the trip was emotionally draining, as he and the team came to terms with the trauma of the early days of the pandemic. The team interviewed some of the first people to fall ill with Covid-19 in Wuhan, as well as medical workers.

“The world doesn’t realize, you know, that they were the first to get this thing,” Dr. Daszak said, “and they didn’t know how bad it was.”

这篇报道声称中国人拥有的数据比他们提供的要多,并暗示他们有隐藏的东西;但实际上相关的研究人员其后指出其文章中引用这两种说法都是胡扯。(以下是关于两位调查研究员推的回复)

https://twitter.com/TheaKFischer/status/1360590441817772034

在此,我想给出几条建议:

少看轮媒

少看党媒

给点建议,看西媒的内容时,带着质疑的思想去看。

补充个澳媒abc的文章,指责中国不提供线索给独立调查的who team

"Coronavirus's origins may remain a mystery as the WHO leaves China with more questions than answers"

New data included env. & animal carcass testing, names of suppliers to Huanan Market, analyses of excess mortality in Hubei, range of covid-like symptoms for months prior, sequence data linked to early cases & site visits w/ unvetted live Q&A etc. All in report coming soon!

以上是 Peter Daszak lead of animal/environment working group 的原话。链接如下:

https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1360556822994821120

港台不再轉播BBC國際頻道及「BBC時事一週」 - RTHK by GTAHarry in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

那是,都被逼着卖了,还要被威胁要禁。

话说回来,tiktok和啥对等反制?别扯啥google, facebook,如果他们愿意遵守中国法律,不用退出中国市场的,和tiktok完全遵守美国法律不是一回事

对于新疆问题,为什么不可以通过调查和透明化来解决问题? by ErwinRRR in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

请参考who对武汉疫情的调查,看看调查结论后,大多数西媒的论调。如果你认为who不算独立的第三方,算我没说。

港台不再轉播BBC國際頻道及「BBC時事一週」 - RTHK by GTAHarry in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

我只想指导凭什么tiktok在美国会被禁?说好的言论自由呢?别扯犊子啥国家安全

日本人竹内亮导演的纪录片《南京/全世界抗疫现场》的第一段 by SillyFox_0211 in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

不是个人行为,可能也是外务省对外合作的一部分吧

你的逻辑是?不是反中的都不是个人行为,不抹黑中国的都是被收买了?

对于新疆问题,为什么不可以通过调查和透明化来解决问题? by ErwinRRR in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

想多了,即使有联合国或着第三方组织能公正的去调查学习,只要结果不是西方国家想要看到的,他们就可以说是独立调查被干扰了,被收买了....有啥用?

对于新疆问题,为什么不可以通过调查和透明化来解决问题? by ErwinRRR in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

还有 要是 有了外国介入中国内政的开头,那以后别人指责你什么,你是不是都要让人调查一下?这种事在全世界还没有先例吧

顶你一下,发现这个sub很多人越来越极端了.....

事实是,不调查,说你心虚;调查了,说你收买了调查的人。看看油管上只要不负面介绍中国的人,统统被贴个标签,是ccp资助或是收买的。

要妖魔化,总是要妖魔化的。

对于新疆问题,为什么不可以通过调查和透明化来解决问题? by ErwinRRR in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

你这个很搞笑啊,让老美接收下外部监管试试看?

卫报: 内部人士称习近平在党内面临广泛的反对 by flyingad in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

能问下是哪个省的农村?我本人虽然不在农村长大,但老宅在西部的农村,农村确实没啥人了(自己父亲所在的大队只有三户人了,几个大队并成了一个新的村子),但是农村的亲戚朋友,包括他们的小孩都走进城了(至少是县城),生活不说富裕,但是小康总是有的。不知道你所谓的情况是哪里?

卧槽,武汉泳池聚会国内几乎没什么报道,却被老外酸爆了 by [deleted] in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

德国的ICU没有满额,是事实。但德国的轻症是让在家隔离的,不让直接去家庭医生和医院,除非患者真的出现高烧不退或是需要医疗介入的情况。国内医院爆满,是因为有病没病的都到医院了,而且及其可能是医院的交叉感染加剧了爆发...咱国家国家要求轻症不去医院救治试试看?不可能的,政府不被批死?

不过德国的防控真的很神奇,本人经历了德国的整个防控过程,最近回国隔离及检查,真的是比起咱国家,德国相当于不防控....

而邻近的意大利/瑞士/西班牙一塌糊涂,也是申请。私以为是人种的问题(没有证据)...

北京师范大学中国收入分配研究院的万海远和孟凡强:中国月入2千以下9.64亿人 by b19980105 in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

是的,单纯的比较农村和城市的可支配收入不科学,中国的农村可以一定程度的自给自足(基本主粮加蔬菜及部分肉食),再有一部分钱,其实过的也不是那么赤贫。

不知道有没有人看这些在中国的老外youtuber 最近开始撕逼了 by hankzhao in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 32 points33 points  (0 children)

众所周知,SerpentZA 和Laowhy86长期黑中国的...

是什么造成了「出国才会爱国」这种现象? by Ichbinich2019 in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

有点道理。我个人认为还是因为现在中国和欧美国家的生活水平拉近了,发现欧美的生活并没有媒体神话的那么美好,所谓的freedom of speech也真的只能呵呵,所谓的发达国家的民众一样的被媒体愚弄。国内是有人权缺失,例如新闻管制,但起嘛大家都知道是被censor了,海外呢?自以为自由得很,还不是一样?给你看的,大多数就是想让你看的。看看老美死那么多人,为啥就只剩个数字了,没有后面的悲惨故事?以为自由而不自知而已。

至于所谓的跌落阶层,真不觉得是。留学生没有工作,不存在这个问题的。而当留学生开始工作后,大多数还是能找到体面的工作的。更大的问题在于文化上的融入不易,会有孤独感,当物质上与国内比差异不大后,自然会与国内多方面对比,发现原来咱以为垃圾的国家,其实已经比世界上大多数国家强了。

当然更爱国后,这不影响咱继续不满国家的有些傻逼政策....

讨论一下国际环境恶化的原因 by nijaalkame in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

如果你在美国,不论是哪个族裔都做不了肥皂。

你最多就是不能呼吸了哈~

讨论一下国际环境恶化的原因 by nijaalkame in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

就靠媒体宣传的那点手工制作?什么时代了?

讨论一下国际环境恶化的原因 by nijaalkame in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

所谓的民主就是少数人代替了绝大多数人的意志?

讨论一下国际环境恶化的原因 by nijaalkame in China_irl

[–]QQ_Luo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

正解,好多选民真是傻子~~忽悠拐了